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rug

(82,333 posts)
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:44 AM Dec 2016

A Gay Atheist Enters Gothenburg Cathedral And Finds An Antidote To Darkness



12/12/2016 10:55 am ET
Mark A. Thompson

On a snow-cold winter’s night in Sweden, a gay atheist and his husband entered Gothenburg Cathedral for the annual candlelit Lucia concert — and, two hours later, emerged elated.

That atheist was me and in the months since that night the memory of that Saint Lucia celebration has reminded me anew of the power of music and beauty in the face of (post-election) darkness.

Few holidays in Sweden are as beloved as Saint Lucia Day, which is celebrated annually on the 13th of December. In the ancient Julian calendar, the Lucia tradition was associated with the Winter Solstice, the longest night of the year, a dangerous night marked by supernatural beings. As a bearer of light in the midst of a dark Swedish winter, Lucia appeared in white wearing “light in her hair.”

“Ever since I was a kid, I have always loved Lucia Day,” says Anders Öhrman, Editor in Chief of QX, Sweden’s largest LGBT magazine. “As a little boy, I was a bit jealous of the girl who got to be Lucia — she was always so beautiful and sparkled with light — but since I was a boy I could only choose between being a star boy or a gingerbread boy in the parade. Not so glamorous.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-a-thompson/a-gay-atheist-enters-goth_b_13556066.html
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A Gay Atheist Enters Gothenburg Cathedral And Finds An Antidote To Darkness (Original Post) rug Dec 2016 OP
Thanks, rug, for that beautiful video. TexasProgresive Dec 2016 #1
Agreed. Love the beauty of the tradition, the cathedral, the song. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #2
Light switch by the door? AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #3
. rug Dec 2016 #4
They look confused. What's the backstory? AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #5
Ok, so I read the story, and watched about 10 total minutes of the video. WTF. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #6
Lol! rug Dec 2016 #7
The sky exists. It is not a man-fabricated pomp and play with a narrative and a script and gender AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #8
Somehow, I think you could bathe in hot, high pulp, orange juice, yet never emerge warm and fuzzy. rug Dec 2016 #9
Why the fuck would you heat orange juice? AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #10
To study the thermal degradation kinetics of nutrients. rug Dec 2016 #11
At best, going to be warm and slimy or sticky. Fuzzy was never an option. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #12
The fuzzy concept is difficult to grasp. rug Dec 2016 #13
No, I get it. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #14
I like fresh squeezed room temperature orange juice. rug Dec 2016 #15
I can live with room temp. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #16

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. Agreed. Love the beauty of the tradition, the cathedral, the song.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 06:16 PM
Dec 2016

And recognize the inspiration even as we all know that believers are imperfect.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
6. Ok, so I read the story, and watched about 10 total minutes of the video. WTF.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 07:19 PM
Dec 2016

The author laments MORE THAN ONCE about rigid and restrictive gender roles in this festival. MORE THAN ONCE. Clearly this is a major issue with the author and I agree. I think that is a shitty construct and I don't celebrate shitty constructs that make people, like the author, feel marginalized or jealous or less worthy. I'm not using 'jealous' in a derogatory context, but in the sense that the person feeling that way clearly perceives some injustice or inequality, on some level.

So I'm reading this thing and predictive analytics suggest to me that I'm going to hear a wonderful tale about how the people putting on this festival BROKE TRADITION and evolved in some way, making it gender-neutral and allowing the participants to express themselves as they prefer.

In the end, I'm holding an empty sack. WTF man. What a letdown.


So now, all I detect from this article is that a self-professed atheist can experience some of the negativity of gender stereotypes, but walk into an event, go along with the crowd and somehow come out feeling fuzzy and happy and positive about a sexist experience.

I don't get it. Big deal as a kid. Points it out as an adult. Points it out again going into the thing, and coming out, somehow it's just not a thing worth considering anymore.

WTF was I supposed to learn from this?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
7. Lol!
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 07:27 PM
Dec 2016

Ok, I saw the sky. Light refraction and suspended particulates.

What the fuck was I supposed to learn from that?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
8. The sky exists. It is not a man-fabricated pomp and play with a narrative and a script and gender
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 07:32 PM
Dec 2016

roles that are apparently immovable.


That article reads like

Irrelevant fact A
Irrelevant fact B
Foreshadowing about gender roles and a desire to PARTICIPATE in a reversal of.
Irrelevant fact C
Repeat foreshadowing

...
...
Feel warm and fuzzy.
The end.



 

rug

(82,333 posts)
9. Somehow, I think you could bathe in hot, high pulp, orange juice, yet never emerge warm and fuzzy.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 07:33 PM
Dec 2016

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
14. No, I get it.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 07:51 PM
Dec 2016

The author felt, at the end, warm (positive) and fuzzy (unable to explain precisely why).

I was being literal as a joke. But seriously warm orange juice. That's not right.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
16. I can live with room temp.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 07:56 PM
Dec 2016

Heated is why pasteurized orange juice tastes funny. (and why there are studies on heated OJ and the breakdown of certain things)

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