Sorry, Denver Catholics, you cant have corned beef on St. Patricks Day

[trotsky]

http://kdvr.com/2017/03/06/sorry-denver-catholics-you-cant-have-corned-beef-on-st-patricks-day/

...The traditional Irish meal for the holiday is corned beef and cabbage, but Catholics are not supposed to eat meat on Fridays during Lent.

Across the country, some bishops have granted dispensation from the “no meat on Fridays” rule.

The Philadelphia archbishop said it’s OK for Catholics there to eat meat this St. Patrick’s Day.

But in Denver, there is no such luck. Archbishop Samuel Aguila has ruled St. Patrick’s Day in Denver will be like any other Friday in Lent for Catholics — which means no meat on the menu.

[Canoe52]

1. I could never understand the concept of

letting your religion, pope, priest, or whatever, tell you what to eat and when.

That whole idea is just so weird to me.

[trotsky]

4. Agreed.

But then controlling others has always been a key feature of religion.

[Angry Dragon]

20. and lots of brainwashing

[Dorian Gray]

25. It's not about letting people tell me what to do....

I take it upon myself. The majority of catholics I know (including most of my family) don't do jack shit on Fridays in lent. I choose not to eat meat. And I choose not to drink alcohol. I keep one day a week where I sacrifice something small to remind me that effort is needed in maintaining a fastidious life. I would do so regardless of dispensations. (I won't drink on St. Patrick's Day.)

I do so outside of Lent at times, as well.

Most people do whatever the fuck they want when they want to. I like to impose rules on myself so that I have to be thoughtful about what I"m choosing to ingest and why.

[hrmjustin]

2. Life sucks!

[Heddi]

3. Bending rules is okay

when it's sanctioned by God

[NeoGreen]

14. But how can one know when it is sanctioned by Adoni/Yahweh/Allah...

...when we have it on "good" authority the NO ONE can understand Adoni/Yahweh/Allah.

"It is also necessary to understand that most religions teach that God can not be fully understood. Nevertheless the teaching can."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218243710#post67

So, what it comes down to is that all we can do is quibble about the teachings which are based on a "mis" understanding.

[Heddi]

15. Anything in religion is okay

as long as you want it to be. Just say that either God said it, or God is al knowing, god answers all prayers, and not all prayers are answered. Remember: God gets all the credit for the good and none of the blame for the bad (human nature, free will, satan, etc etc)

[Angry Dragon]

21. I understand their gods .......... not my fault that they do not

[CurtEastPoint]

5. I have to say that these are some pretty nasty remarks for a 'religion' forum.

If you knew the historical background of this practice, it might make sense. Lent is a time to deny oneself.

[trotsky]

6. You are right, it's a religion forum.

All opinions are allowed to be expressed here, whether they are positive or negative about religion.

If this bothers you and you do not wish to see any words critical of religion, you will probably want to hang out in the numerous "safe haven" groups where criticism of religion is forbidden.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1217

Have a wonderful day!

[CurtEastPoint]

8. Ah! Good to know. I thought it might be a place to inquire and discuss, not mock.

I'll stay away, then.

[trotsky]

9. Should we ban the mocking of religion?

Do you think blasphemy laws are a good thing?

[NeoGreen]

16. Blasphemy, blas for you, blas for everybody in the room...

[Canoe52]

10. Sorry didn't realize this was the religion group.

It appeared on Latest Threads. So didn't mean to slam anyone.

My brother is Southern Baptist. He gets transferred a lot for his work. If the pastor at his current church says drinking is a sin, they don't touch a drop, if they move and the pastor says drinking wine is fine because Jesus did it, they drink like fish. I never know whether to bring a bottle of wine when I'm invited to dinner, or a case!

[CurtEastPoint]

12. No worry, my friend.

[Jake Stern]

7. Really don't care if a rabbi approved or disapproved of me eating a BLT.

Likewise Catholics need to stop letting Popes, Cardinals and Bishops tell them what to eat, how to dress and who to screw.

Tell Ol' Sammy "Thanks. I'll take it under advisement"

[procon]

11. Why would anyone let an omnipotent authoritarian decide what's on the dinner table?

The chutzpah doesn't end with the cuisine, in the power of religion extends beyond bedrooms and living rooms to intervene in entertainment, consumer products, commercial advertising, education, science, medicine, insurance, military, finance, government... and we're doing eyebrow raising over corned beef and cabbage?

[edhopper]

13. boiled corned beef and cabbage

is pretty gross anyway.
Give me a nice pastrami on rye.

Also, no corned beef for lent, but getting soused on green beer is a-okay?

[Dorian Gray]

26. Absolutely

I'm of Irish descent and I'm marching in a parade on Sunday, and I wouldn't touch corned beef and cabbage (or Irish Soda bread) with a ten foot pole.

But a pastrami on Rye from 2nd Avenue Deli?? Yes please!!!!!

[Act_of_Reparation]

17. Not sure which is worse, really.

That eating certain things at certain times is offensive to God, or that the local archbishop can intercede on mankind's behalf and make it totes cool to eat bland shit on our entirely arbitrary sixth day.

[trotsky]

18. What's funny is that there are calls to "respect" the reasons for not eating meat.

Yeah, so the story is, Catholics observe the suffering of Jesus by foregoing meat consumption on the alleged day of the week that he died.

The dude was, according to the story, tortured painfully for hours and murdered.

But stuffing your face with food, as long as it's not meat, somehow respects the torture he endured.

Other noble Christians are rumored to somewhat refrain from posting on Internet message boards as a symbol of their incredible sacrifice. Truly touching.

[Act_of_Reparation]

19. The whole point of the exercise is to develop some measure of self control.

I can almost respect that. Learning to temper appetites can be useful, if not instructive.

The problem is it is entirely arbitrary and technically not voluntary. So you have millions of people who would rather not eat brussel sprouts every Friday, clergy included, coming up with exceptions that completely negate the intended purpose of abstinence. Pro tip: the guy stuffing his face with hamachi nigirizushi isn't pondering Christ's suffering. He's enjoying his meal as much as he would if it were steak Florentine.

[trotsky]

22. Seriously, a dispensation to allow eating meat when St. Patrick's day falls on a Friday?

It would be TOO MUCH of a sacrifice to not be able to eat corned beef while wearing a green shirt and silly hat.

[Act_of_Reparation]

23. Look man, one cannot be expected...

...to abstain from premarital sex and meat on a weekend holiday. That's asking too much, even if God's doing the asking.

[Dorian Gray]

28. I'm Catholic

and I agree with this sentiment. I think it's BS. You either sacrifice or you don't.

If you really want shitty corned beef and cabbage, have it the night before.

[Dorian Gray]

24. Just a bunch of drunks....

[HoneyBadger]

27. Primary the Denver archbishop

[DetlefK]

29. Bullshit. No meat during Lent and no meat on Fridays are two entirely separate religious rules.

The "no meat on Fridays"-rule was repealed by the Vatican a few decades ago. (IIRC the original reasoning was the Jesus died on a Friday.)

And it used to be that there was a "no meat during all of Lent"-rule, but it was weakened for practical reasons because people just love meat too much.
The german "Maultaschen" are 2-inch-sized pockets of noodle-dough filled with minced meat. They were originally invented to hide the meat during Lent.

[Act_of_Reparation]

31. Not exactly.

Under Canon 1250-1253, all Catholics aged fourteen years or older (save certain exceptions) are bound by law to abstain on Fridays. This is still on the books. However, Canon 1253 also gives local Episcopal Councils authority to set fasting and abstinence norms in the territories under their jurisdiction.

In short, it remains the official position of the Vatican than you should abstain from meat on Fridays, but in practice they defer to the Episcopal Councils.

[Goblinmonger]

32. The no meat on Fridays rule was never repealed.

You still aren't supposed to eat meat on Fridays outside of lent. If you do eat meat on Fridays you are supposed to give up something else. 3 years at a high school seminary and we never had meat on any Friday.

And there still is a no meat on Fridays during Lent. Why do you think McDs pushes their McFish so much?

[hrmjustin]

33. I always eat a nice big hamburger on Good Friday after church.

[Goblinmonger]

34. One Friday during Lent at the Seminary,

we ordered a meat pizza and convinced the delivery guy to drive around back of the school to where there weren't a lot of lights so we would not get caught. At this point in my life, not even in the top 200 of reasons I'm going to hell if there is one.

[hrmjustin]

35. I always thought those dietary rules were bullshit.

I still don't follow the. Episcopalians are supposed to abstain on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

[exboyfil]

30. An NPR article on the history

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/04/05/150061991/lust-lies-and-empire-the-fishy-tale-behind-eating-fish-on-friday