Pence defends Trump as a champion of Catholic values

[trotsky]

https://www.ncronline.org/news/politics/pence-defends-trump-champion-catholic-values

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Vice President Mike Pence — a onetime altar boy who became an evangelical Protestant — proclaimed President Trump a faithful supporter of Catholic values at the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast, an event that sought to set aside any friction between the president and the pope.

"Let me promise all of you, this administration hears you. This president stands with you," Pence said to the 1,300 gathered.

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On abortion, Pence said to extended applause: I couldn’t be more proud to serve as vice president to a president who stands without apology for the sanctity of human life. Since day one of this administration, President Donald Trump has been keeping his promise to stand for life, and life is winning in America again."

Pence, noted, among other policy changes, Trump's blocking of federal funds to nonprofits abroad that provide abortions, and his signing of a law that gives states the right to deny funding to Planned Parenthood, the women's health care nonprofit that provides abortions.
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[Thomas Hurt]

1. I thought Donnie was a born again evangelical christian...

Dobson said so.......I thought Catholics were apostates to them.

[atreides1]

2. Catholic Values???

When did adultery and lying become Catholic values? And then there's the budget cutting of Meals on Wheels, free lunch programs for children, affordable health care...being a former Catholic, I was never told that being mean spirited and pissing on the weakest, were "Catholic values"! I guess I should have hung around longer to see when the changes took place!!!

Pence is excrement lower then whale s**t!!!

[Act_of_Reparation]

11. "When did adultery and lying become Catholic values?"

I don't know when it started, but lately the Church seems to have been doing quite a lot of both.

[Lordquinton]

16. They want the charities in the control of the church

Not the government, so that's doing work for them.

[luvMIdog]

3. oh yes Pence would know more about that than the Pope *rolls eyes*

[RainCaster]

4. It's Pence a Catholic?

He must know more about catholicism than I do. I thought that hiring hookers, skipping out on your bills, multiple marriages and lusting after your daughter wasn't very biblical. However, all is forgotten of you will go against planned Parenthood.

[LuvNewcastle]

14. All that stuff is very biblical.

The stories in the Bible are full of adultery, incest, whores, etc.

[Lordquinton]

17. There are a couple stories involving fathers and daughters

Maybe not the best example...

[Lotusflower70]

5. Uh no

My mom and grandma are strong, devout Catholics. Trump has no clue about Catholicism. I remember he said he considered himself a "baby Christian" lol. Actually he is just a baby. But he is the only foreign leader Pope Francis despises.

[Lordquinton]

18. Francis isn't too keen on the prime Minister of Luxembourg

Or Ireland.

[OhNo-Really]

6. USA - Are poor babies GOP priority, too?

Not so much. And this appalling United States of America infant mortality rate (die before 1st birthday because of lack of healthcare etc) will worsen when/if GOP succeeds in overturning AHA. The southern states have the highest rates, no surprise.

I believe we need to speak to the heart of the matter. I want to believe that a modicum of humanity still lives in the hearts of most people. I hope there is truly a moral majority that spans all demographics and parties like the Moral Monday group.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-infant-mortality-rate-worse-than-other-countries/

[dhill926]

7. surprised they don't choke to death...

on their bullshit...

[Eugene]

8. Catholic values like wrecking the planet, enriching the wealthy, charity scams and bald-face lies?

Those aren't the Catholic values I've heard in church.
I'm more likely to hear criticism of the idiotic wall though.

Now as a champion of the seven deadly sins,
Donald Trump has made a clean sweep.

[trotsky]

10. No, Catholic values like fighting against LGBT equality, reproductive rights...

and birth control coverage in insurance plans.

[3catwoman3]

9. And let's not forget about...

...appointing an adulteress to be ambassador to the Vatican.

Yeah, real supportive there, Donnie Two Scoops.

[beam me up scottie]

12. Well that was vomit inducing.

"The nun invoked the Mayflower pilgrims when she spoke of the promise of America, and advised Americans to speak up about their faith in the public square.

There is "a hesitation to speak about God, even in the simplest ways, such as saying 'God bless you' when somebody sneezes," she said. "We are afraid to have religious symbols in public offices or to talk publicly about religious values in our daily lives."



Lemme get this straight, they're whining about how afraid they are to talk publicly about their religion at the NATIONAL PRAYER BREAKFAST.

That calls for another facepalm.




I think these people need to look up the definition of persecution.

[trotsky]

13. Nail on the head once again, bmus.

[LuvNewcastle]

15. I think it's funny that a nun would bring up

the Pilgrims on the Mayflower, of all people. They despised the Catholic Church and the Pope and all of the trappings of that religion. The Pilgrims would never have allowed a Catholic church to open its doors in the Bay Colony. It just kills me how some people twist history to suit their purposes. Sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying.

[uriel1972]

19. Yeah that struck me too... nt

[beam me up scottie]

21. Yep, many people are ignorant about that part of U.S. history.

Here's a good article that touches on the subject:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/americas-true-history-of-religious-tolerance-61312684/

"In the storybook version most of us learned in school, the Pilgrims came to America aboard the Mayflower in search of religious freedom in 1620. The Puritans soon followed, for the same reason. Ever since these religious dissidents arrived at their shining “city upon a hill,” as their governor John Winthrop called it, millions from around the world have done the same, coming to an America where they found a welcome melting pot in which everyone was free to practice his or her own faith.

The problem is that this tidy narrative is an American myth. The real story of religion in America’s past is an often awkward, frequently embarrassing and occasionally bloody tale that most civics books and high-school texts either paper over or shunt to the side. And much of the recent conversation about America’s ideal of religious freedom has paid lip service to this comforting tableau.

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The much-ballyhooed arrival of the Pilgrims and Puritans in New England in the early 1600s was indeed a response to persecution that these religious dissenters had experienced in England. But the Puritan fathers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony did not countenance tolerance of opposing religious views. Their “city upon a hill” was a theocracy that brooked no dissent, religious or political.

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In newly independent America, there was a crazy quilt of state laws regarding religion. In Massachusetts, only Christians were allowed to hold public office, and Catholics were allowed to do so only after renouncing papal authority. In 1777, New York State’s constitution banned Catholics from public office (and would do so until 1806). In Maryland, Catholics had full civil rights, but Jews did not. Delaware required an oath affirming belief in the Trinity. Several states, including Massachusetts and South Carolina, had official, state-supported churches."

[meow2u3]

20. Trump has the Catholic values of Caligula, Stalin, and Kim Jung Un

Pence, get your priorities straight! Trump is about as Catholic as Kim Jung Un and Pence is praising him?!

[trotsky]

22. The Catholic values he was referring to are:

Being against reproductive choice
Being against marriage equality
Being in favor of religious exemption from secular laws

So yeah, there many of them.

[meow2u3]

23. Those values sound more like fundamentalist values

than authentic (read: a la Pope Francis) Catholic ones.

[trotsky]

24. You don't have to like it.

But they are. The RCC remains firmly opposed to reproductive choice and marriage equality under the new pope.