Muhammad and Rumi on Sexual Harassment

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

The Prophet said, “Woman
prevails over the wise man,
while the raw and ignorant prevail over her.”
Those men who lack tenderness and affection
are animals, not men.


From Rumi:

She is not that kind of beloved most imagine;
she is a ray of God.
She is not just a created,
she is creative.

To read more:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/livingtradition/2017/11/muhammad-rumi-sexual-harassment/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Muslim&utm_content=49

[edhopper]

1. So I guess most Muslim men

do not follow Muhammed.

[Major Nikon]

2. Muhammad on child rape

Aisha's age at the time of her marriage is frequently mentioned in Islamic literature.[11] According to Sunni hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad in Mecca. The marriage was consummated after the Hegira to Medina, when she had reached the age of nine or ten years old.[23]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage

[guillaumeb]

7. And child marriage was also common among royalty.

[MineralMan]

8. So?

[guillaumeb]

9. Historical knowledge can be a good thing.

Ignoring it can lead to faulty reasoning.

[MineralMan]

10. It can also be entirely irrelevant.

Then, it adds nothing to understanding.

At one time in human history the menarche was the signal of marriageabiliy. As lifespans increased the age of marriage also increased in most cultures.

In some cultures, however, that did not occur, and young girls were still forced to marry older men. Remnants of that disgusting practice still linger. Deplorable, and indicative of patriarchal power.

Your understanding appears to be quite limited. You can, however, correct that.

[Major Nikon]

13. Here's the best part...

We must simply ignore the child raping, because it was in vogue at the time at least with other child rapists, but somehow this person is the example of morality we should emulate in today's world.

[MineralMan]

14. That a tradition exists for child sexual abuse does not

make that abuse OK. It seems as though some believe it does, though.

Not a good argument, nor sensible.

[Major Nikon]

15. Child rape apologia is neither a good argument or sensible

...although it does seem to be a trend with some. Kinda sad when your love of superstition trumps the condemnation of child rape.

[MineralMan]

16. Well, one Cardinal appears to be trying to shift blame for that onto

LGBTQ folks.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218298168

[Major Nikon]

11. "Ignoring it can lead to faulty reasoning"

[Voltaire2]

3. The important thing, in the Hadith, is that

when you beat your wife don’t leave any marks.

Please proceed.

[Major Nikon]

4. Metaphorically speaking, of course

It's not enough that we must ignore all the homophobia, child molestation, misogyny, intolerance, and slavery in the religious texts of Christianity and Islam. We must believe those same religious texts are a shining beacon against those things, even though even some of the most liberal believers interpret them exactly as they were originally intended.

Just in case anyone had any doubt, this OP is yet another....

[edhopper]

5. just so much damn respect

in those countries.

so much...

[MineralMan]

6. Not much meat, really, in that year old post on Patheos.

No actual mention or condemnation of sexual harassment, per se, from either Muhammad or Rumi, either. The author, who clumsily paraphrases the actual quotes in an attempt to explain them does mention"groping" at one point, but it's a very weak article, overall.

I was disappointed not to find anything said about harassment by those two people at the link. Which leads me to wonder why you posted it without comment. The link isn't really about that.

Oh, well, another click wasted...

[Major Nikon]

12. Someone keeps trying to convince people religion gives folks a pass for child rape