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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 03:03 PM Mar 2019

"Whataboutism": The Strategy to Get Away With Murder

https://medium.com/@lawrencegab/whataboutism-the-strategy-to-get-away-with-murder-faecfa7add4

...We are unknowingly being caught into this form of argument because of the way it was purposed. Being able to escape these kinds of situations is precisely why Trump and Putin are so formidable as speakers. Both of these men have gotten away with controversy after controversy using the same technique over and over again. The effectiveness behind Trump and Putin’s use of whataboutism lies in their ability to deflect attention onto other people. By not directly answering these questions and redirecting the audience’s attention, they are hiding behind a logical fallacy known as tu quoque to avoid giving a potentially dangerous answer.

What’s even more crucial to understand is that when someone is being accused and he/she defers to another person/subject, that is neither an acceptance or a denial of the accusation. Let me repeat, that is NEITHER an acceptance or denial of the accusation.

...Even when it’s not about ourselves specifically, like in the cases of sports and religion, we recognize the flaws in other subjects to bring into the conversation in order to distract the accuser. If violence in the Quran is in question, many would turn to the violence written in The Old Testament as a counter for equivalence. But what was really accomplished? Nothing! There was nothing discussed as to why violence occurred in the Quran, just a cowardly subject change instead of a legitimate defense of the Quran. My advice? If you can’t properly defend without changing subjects then you shouldn’t contribute at all. Period. So if we want to have substantive conversations, let’s stop pointing to hypocrisy but either take responsibility or defend with facts. This post is also to bring awareness that when a response falls into the realm of “whataboutism”, you need to be fully conscious of what is occurring in order to lead the conversation for the better.


At least an attempt to mention the OT in response to violence in the Koran is still within the realm of religious texts.

"Whatabout" the Chinese government is not.
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"Whataboutism": The Strategy to Get Away With Murder (Original Post) trotsky Mar 2019 OP
and, is a tu quoque fallacy regardless of the "Intent" (nt) NeoGreen Mar 2019 #1
Correct. n/t trotsky Mar 2019 #2
Arguing that a fallacy requires bad intent is the self-righteousness fallacy marylandblue Mar 2019 #6
An incorrect argument. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #8
Fallacies are in arguments, not in facts. marylandblue Mar 2019 #11
Whataboutism guillaumeb Mar 2019 #18
Damn, you've really humiliated yourself this time. trotsky Mar 2019 #20
Laughable. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #21
Yes, laughable is a good word to describe your flailing. trotsky Apr 2019 #22
LOL Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #15
Not according to actual definitions. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #9
Argument from Authority Fallacy. marylandblue Mar 2019 #13
Simple fallacy. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #17
Then when you call bullshit on the obvious bullshit... Major Nikon Mar 2019 #3
"It's not whataboutism when I do it." - the g-man n/t trotsky Mar 2019 #4
He is the one with the privilege Major Nikon Mar 2019 #5
Flawed, and derivative. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #7
shooting the messenger? uriel1972 Mar 2019 #10
Whataboutism guillaumeb Mar 2019 #19
Oh, dear... MineralMan Mar 2019 #12
Well if a good liberal source like Forbes says Medium is junk, by golly they're junk! LOL trotsky Mar 2019 #14
Meanwhile, ReligionNews is a bastion of objective, journalistic integrity. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #16

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
6. Arguing that a fallacy requires bad intent is the self-righteousness fallacy
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 05:40 PM
Mar 2019

Which is that if your intentions are good, you must be correct.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. An incorrect argument.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 07:35 PM
Mar 2019

If the argument is factually correct, as in the fact that China consistently oppresses theists, there is no fallacy.

And if one states that most children are abused in the home, that too is a fact.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
11. Fallacies are in arguments, not in facts.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 07:49 PM
Mar 2019

A self-righteous argument, would be one where you say that most children are abused at home because you believe that is true and you intend to tell the truth. Your intent has no bearing on whether it's true or false.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
18. Whataboutism
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 10:37 AM
Mar 2019
Why Whataboutism is a Fallacy

Whataboutism suggests that two wrongs make a right.

If we accept whataboutism arguments, then nothing can be deemed wrong, as long as we can think of examples of things that are worse.




https://simplicable.com/new/whataboutism

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
20. Damn, you've really humiliated yourself this time.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 11:06 AM
Mar 2019

This is all you can respond with anymore. One out-of-context quote from a site no one has heard of before, that doesn't even actually mean what you think it means.

How embarrassing for you. Keep it up, you know I love this!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
21. Laughable.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 04:55 PM
Mar 2019

Refute what I posted with an actual source that denies what I posted.

Or. continue with your well established pattern.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
22. Yes, laughable is a good word to describe your flailing.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 08:31 AM
Apr 2019

Refute what? State your point. Bet you can't, because all you can do is copy & paste from a non-authoritative website.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
15. LOL
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 08:52 AM
Mar 2019
If the argument is factually correct, as in the fact that China consistently oppresses theists, there is no fallacy.




Stay in school.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
17. Simple fallacy.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 10:33 AM
Mar 2019
Why Whataboutism is a Fallacy

Whataboutism suggests that two wrongs make a right.

If we accept whataboutism arguments, then nothing can be deemed wrong, as long as we can think of examples of things that are worse.



https://simplicable.com/new/whataboutism

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
3. Then when you call bullshit on the obvious bullshit...
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 04:20 PM
Mar 2019

The answer is gaslighting.

Repeating that same garbage over and over becomes an effort in shitposting.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. Flawed, and derivative.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 07:32 PM
Mar 2019

Why Medium Doesn't Matter Anymore

Medium brought in the new year by laying off 50 people and closing 2 offices. No champagne, no resolutions — January was all about downsizing for them. Given their outstanding reputation, this came as a surprise....

It’s an especially unfortunate choice since Medium's site is full of amateur content. They say they only charge for premium writing, but it's still hard to accept. It's like they're walling off YouTube videos. With the exception of major motion pictures and TV shows, YouTube doesn’t charge anything. No one wants to drop $5 a month to watch kittens wrestle balls of yarn. If Medium follows YouTube’s exact model, it could work.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/theodorecasey/2017/08/14/why-medium-doesnt-matter-anymore/#517bb9d749ad

A blog site.
An opinion site.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
19. Whataboutism
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 10:38 AM
Mar 2019
Why Whataboutism is a Fallacy

Whataboutism suggests that two wrongs make a right.

If we accept whataboutism arguments, then nothing can be deemed wrong, as long as we can think of examples of things that are worse.




https://simplicable.com/new/whataboutism

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
14. Well if a good liberal source like Forbes says Medium is junk, by golly they're junk! LOL
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 08:47 AM
Mar 2019

Of course it's just an opinion piece by an amateur. Just like the dozens you've posted. OK for you, not for anyone else? Typical.

I guess you are really upset by what it says. No wonder - it completely exposes your fallacious tactics.

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