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Related: About this forumHer Evangelical Megachurch Was Her World. Then Her Daughter Said She Was Molested by a Minister.
New York TimesMs. Bragg nearly vomited. She stood up and walked out.
Exactly one year before that day, on Feb. 17, 2018, Ms. Bragg and her husband, Matt, reported to the Village that their daughter, at about age 11, had been sexually abused at the churchs summer camp for children.
Since then, Matthew Tonne, who was the churchs associate childrens minister, had been investigated by the police, indicted and arrested on charges of sexually molesting Ms. Braggs daughter.
god is always in a forgiving mood...
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blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)rownesheck
(2,343 posts)were they still attending that church?! Their daughter had told them she was molested at the summer camp operated by the church!!! What is wrong with these people?! Their poor daughter. If you feel like you have to attend a religious service, at least pick another church! Jeez!
Major Nikon
(36,874 posts)Meanwhile child rape apologists keep telling us this is just "human behavior", and religion is in no way culpable for creating a child rape culture where epidemics of molestation grow unchecked by secular accountability.
Meanwhile unsuspecting parents keep providing religious organizations with a fresh supply of victims, deluded into believing church organizations are immune from evil and their religious leaders actually care about their well being more than their money. Those same apologists are working overtime to convince everyone that religious organizations should somehow be exempted from child rape protection laws that govern other organizations that deal with children.
Yep, kinda funny how those apologists see so much evil with atheists, but can't even manage to see it in their own mirror.
exboyfil
(17,912 posts)They also contacted the police (granted they may not have if the family hadn't reported first).
Major Nikon
(36,874 posts)For another you can click through the numerous links provided...
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Abuse-of-Faith-Southern-Baptist-churches-13912529.php
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/21/us/andy-savage-memphis-sex-assault.html
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Abuse-of-Faith-Missionaries-left-trail-of-abuse-13904418.php
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-churches-hired-ministers-accused-13588233.php
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php
exboyfil
(17,912 posts)that the accused was not named in public by the church prior to formal charges being filed. Actually I think that is prudent.
They fired him for an unrelated matter (alcoholism) because they could probably objectively prove that. That took immediate action to remove him from access to children (unless there are prior accusations that were not followed up on - nothing about that appeared in this story).
I am not sure I see much wrong the church did. Maybe they didn't properly vet the employee. That is what a civil trial might demonstrate. This is a far cry from moving the accused around while trying to suppress the accusations.
I wonder how this would have played out without the initial police report from the family. That was a very wise decision on their part and something that should happen in all of these cases.
Major Nikon
(36,874 posts)...but you think it's "prudent" not to mention his name to their parents?
Wow, just wow.
exboyfil
(17,912 posts)Shouldn't that be part of the police investigation. How do you avoid a potential defamation lawsuit if the initial accusation is false? The police should ask for a list of all children that have been around this individual, and the police then go and question those families.
Maybe I am misunderstanding the process. Here is a recent story about a public school teacher. Did the school district inform the parents prior to charges being filed? Should they have?
https://whotv.com/2019/05/31/des-moines-teacher-arrested-for-alleged-sexual-abuse-of-teen-at-school-where-she-taught/
Major Nikon
(36,874 posts)The answer to your first question is to make use of the team of lawyers they already have on retainer. The idea that you can't even mention to the congregation that an employee of the organization is under investigation for child rape is ludicrous.
As far as your other questions go, they are not in any way, shape, or form a defense of the church's behavior and look more like...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
The Velveteen Ocelot
(119,038 posts)That's all sorts of fucked up. "Jesus loves you only if you promise not to sue us."
MineralMan
(146,924 posts)Preach one thing and do the opposite. Feh!