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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:37 AM Dec 2019

Millennials Are Leaving Religion And Not Coming Back

Echoing an article I posted yesterday, FiveThirtyEight has a more comprehensive take.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/millennials-are-leaving-religion-and-not-coming-back/

Millennials have earned a reputation for reshaping industries and institutions — shaking up the workplace, transforming dating culture, and rethinking parenthood. They’ve also had a dramatic impact on American religious life. Four in ten millennials now say they are religiously unaffiliated, according to the Pew Research Center. In fact, millennials (those between the ages of 23 and 38) are now almost as likely to say they have no religion as they are to identify as Christian.

For a long time, though, it wasn’t clear whether this youthful defection from religion would be temporary or permanent. It seemed possible that as millennials grew older, at least some would return to a more traditional religious life. But there’s mounting evidence that today’s younger generations may be leaving religion for good.

...Millennials may be the symbols of a broader societal shift away from religion, but they didn’t start it on their own. Their parents are at least partly responsible for a widening generational gap in religious identity and beliefs; they were more likely than previous generations to raise their children without any connection to organized religion. According to the AEI survey, 17 percent of millennials said that they were not raised in any particular religion compared with only five percent of Baby Boomers. And fewer than one in three (32 percent) millennials say they attended weekly religious services with their family when they were young, compared with about half (49 percent) of Baby Boomers.

...But one finding in the survey signals that even millennials who grew up religious may be increasingly unlikely to return to religion. In the 1970s, most nonreligious Americans had a religious spouse and often, that partner would draw them back into regular religious practice. But now, a growing number of unaffiliated Americans are settling down with someone who isn’t religious — a process that may have been accelerated by the sheer number of secular romantic partners available, and the rise of online dating. Today, 74 percent of unaffiliated millennials have a nonreligious partner or spouse, while only 26 percent have a partner who is religious.
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Millennials Are Leaving Religion And Not Coming Back (Original Post) trotsky Dec 2019 OP
thank you jesus Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #1
I'm 42 and have been against organized religion, for at least dewsgirl Dec 2019 #3
I am 71 and have felt the same for about 55 years. I find doc03 Dec 2019 #6
If I have learned anything over the last 3 years, it is definitely this. dewsgirl Dec 2019 #15
I think not believing makes people vulnerable to anything donkeypoofed Dec 2019 #2
How do explain a so-called Christian that can support a president that is an admitted doc03 Dec 2019 #4
It can't be explained moose65 Dec 2019 #5
My mother was 92 years old when she passed away in 2012. She literally doc03 Dec 2019 #10
Bless her! moose65 Dec 2019 #12
The fact that they... 3catwoman3 Dec 2019 #31
Interesting. But I feel exactly the opposite Major Nikon Dec 2019 #11
You're going to have to explain Paula White bitterross Dec 2019 #16
That is about the weirdest unfounded conclusion I have ever encountered. eppur_se_muova Dec 2019 #19
You obviously know a lot about the experience of atheists. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #21
Cults are mostly religious. edhopper Dec 2019 #23
Hope it makes you feel better about yourself to look down on us atheists. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #25
We believe in plenty FiveGoodMen Dec 2019 #26
The elements that comprise my body do not feel alone. AtheistCrusader Dec 2019 #42
On the contrary, believing in mythology which there is zero evidence makes people vulnerable to Sea Glass Dec 2019 #48
More humanists and ethical culturalists. no_hypocrisy Dec 2019 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #22
It is possible to have faith outside the context of religion The Blue Flower Dec 2019 #8
Possible, yes. In reality it doesn't really work that way. Major Nikon Dec 2019 #14
Amen to that. Polly Hennessey Dec 2019 #9
It's been that way as long as there's been organized religion Major Nikon Dec 2019 #13
+10 Duppers Dec 2019 #34
The most moral people I've ever known didn't show up in some building to hear CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #17
That is a hopeful sign, I think. MineralMan Dec 2019 #18
I watched Rick Steves Christmas in Europe and kacekwl Dec 2019 #20
What are the "real teachings of Jesus" though? trotsky Dec 2019 #24
Never heard that. Was told Jesus loved and forgave everyone. kacekwl Dec 2019 #44
Look at your own words. "Jesus loved and forgave everyone..." trotsky Dec 2019 #46
In much of Europe religion is purely ceremonial Major Nikon Dec 2019 #38
Millenials in the PRC have also left religion. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #27
LMAO trotsky Dec 2019 #36
Yes, it is clear that these Chinese atheists will elad us all into a new era of tolerance guillaumeb Dec 2019 #39
LMAO trotsky Dec 2019 #40
Good that you recognize what you engage in. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #41
LMAO trotsky Dec 2019 #45
But whatabout China? Major Nikon Dec 2019 #43
makes me like them even more Skittles Dec 2019 #28
There are some good churches out there TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #29
Religion gives itself the names it has earned. n/t trotsky Dec 2019 #37
Interesting point from the article... NeoGreen Dec 2019 #30
The younger folks recognize the hypocrisy of 'witnessing' for the faith by those supporting Trump an keithbvadu2 Dec 2019 #32
Maybe it is because... NeoGreen Dec 2019 #33
Trump was sent by God Cartoonist Dec 2019 #35
This is some of the best news I've read in a long time. Sea Glass Dec 2019 #47

doc03

(35,351 posts)
6. I am 71 and have felt the same for about 55 years. I find
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:52 AM
Dec 2019

many people that claim to be Christians are hypocrites and bigots.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
2. I think not believing makes people vulnerable to anything
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:41 AM
Dec 2019

This is a sad thing. Not believing in a higher power makes people vulnerable and on an elemental level, I wonder if it makes them feel alone? I couldn't imagine that.

doc03

(35,351 posts)
4. How do explain a so-called Christian that can support a president that is an admitted
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:46 AM
Dec 2019

sexual predator, a pathological liar, a criminal and a bigot?

moose65

(3,167 posts)
5. It can't be explained
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:51 AM
Dec 2019

This is the biggest contradiction of the Trump era: how can supposedly religious, pious people follow a thrice-married, amoral, porn-star loving, casino-owning madman? It's the one thing I can never wrap my brain around. Even before Trump thought about politics, I considered him a pompous windbag who loved the sound of his own voice. He's been a Democrat, and Independent, and a Republican, even though he doesn't really believe in anything except making himself richer. Why is it so obvious to us and so obviously ignored by his minions????

There are none so blind as those who will not see......

doc03

(35,351 posts)
10. My mother was 92 years old when she passed away in 2012. She literally
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 10:04 AM
Dec 2019

couldn't stand to look at Trump. She was very religious and she said he just looked evil. That was back years before
he ever ran for president.

moose65

(3,167 posts)
12. Bless her!
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 10:10 AM
Dec 2019

My own parents are 79 and 81, and they are white, rural Southerners who despise Trump with every fiber of their being. In fact, I know a lot of older white folks who can't stand him.

You know, normally Trump would be the kind of person that Republicans would hate: a Yankee city-dweller with a foul mouth. We should remind them of that

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
31. The fact that they...
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 07:24 PM
Dec 2019

...are embracing, and worshipping, the Yankee city-dweller with a foul mouth shows that the have no principles or moral center. They only want power and they don’t care how low they have to sink to get and keep it.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
11. Interesting. But I feel exactly the opposite
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 10:07 AM
Dec 2019

There’s a fair amount of data that shows an inverse relationship with religion and critical thinking. One need only to look at the right wing to find examples of this.

Personally I have never in my life had any sort of religious faith. Does that make me feel alone? I don’t know what it feels like having an imaginary friend watching everything I do, but neither have I ever felt the need to invent one. So I’d really have to say the answer to your question is no.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
16. You're going to have to explain Paula White
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 10:27 AM
Dec 2019

Respectfully, I think you're dead wrong. Believing is what makes people vulnerable. They believe Paula White, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, etc. They believe the psychic they visit. They believe what these con artists tell them about the "Higher Beings" whom they should worship and follow.

Belief in supernatural beings that judge us, that have unlimited power and yet do nothing to stop suffering is what makes people vulnerable.

Note: I'm not saying there is no possibility that there are other beings out there in the universe that are smarter and more advanced than humans. That doesn't make them gods though.

eppur_se_muova

(36,271 posts)
19. That is about the weirdest unfounded conclusion I have ever encountered.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 10:50 AM
Dec 2019

You actually think it's better to believe in something -- anything -- rather than to be skeptical of utterly unfounded, utterly unprovable folk/fairy tales ? That's pretty mixed up. You must believe other people are incredibly weak-minded to think they can't get by without the crutch of some fantasy Big Daddy father-figure-in-the-sky. Billions of people do just that, and I don't know of anyone who's ever said it is in any remote way a challenge. It's nothing but common sense -- don't believe in that for which there is absolutely no unambiguous evidence.

If you couldn't imagine what it's like to lack religion -- THE NATURAL CONDITION TO WHICH EVERYONE IS BORN, before they are indoctrinated by brainwashing -- you have a crippling lack of imagination. I don't believe in anything so blindingly that I can't imagine someone, somewhere -- probably many someones -- believe otherwise. That doesn't mean I concede they're right. Different people believe different things, and always have, and not necessarily because they're "vulnerable".

BTW, do unbelievers feel "alone" ? Um, no, not at all. But thank you for your deeply felt concern.

edhopper

(33,591 posts)
23. Cults are mostly religious.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 02:00 PM
Dec 2019

So it seems being religious makes one more vulnerable. Not the opposite.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,925 posts)
25. Hope it makes you feel better about yourself to look down on us atheists.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 05:55 PM
Dec 2019

Every atheist I have ever met is a fantastic person. The most charitable, loving, giving, and "moral" people I know are atheists. Some of the most horrible are devout believers in Christ.

I get that you can't imagine it, but stop projecting a wanton wasteland of hopeless by people with a god-shaped hole in their heart. That just isn't reality.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
26. We believe in plenty
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 06:13 PM
Dec 2019

Justice, honesty, helping the needy, keeping our democratic form of government, …

Just not fairy tales.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
42. The elements that comprise my body do not feel alone.
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 06:57 PM
Dec 2019

In fact, they don't feel.

*I* feel. The person that is *me* feels. And one thing I do NOT feel is 'vulnerable' or 'alone'.
But thanks for asking.

 

Sea Glass

(52 posts)
48. On the contrary, believing in mythology which there is zero evidence makes people vulnerable to
Mon Dec 16, 2019, 01:56 PM
Dec 2019

believing anything -- like Trump is a good president, there's no global warming, and vaccines cause disease.

no_hypocrisy

(46,130 posts)
7. More humanists and ethical culturalists.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:55 AM
Dec 2019

My theory is the Millennials haven't found a non-theistic group to promote their concepts of social justice.

Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #7)

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
14. Possible, yes. In reality it doesn't really work that way.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 10:18 AM
Dec 2019

More often than not people who have faith will seek validation of whatever it is they believe. Once that faith becomes collective you have religion.

Polly Hennessey

(6,799 posts)
9. Amen to that.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:57 AM
Dec 2019

Not believing in religion does not make one lonely. Believing in a religion does make one vulnerable to hucksters, con artists, tRump, etc. The religious are easy marks readily willing to give their money to the unscrupulous. How else could the “pastors” afford to live in mansions and fly in private jets. Religion is a method of control and extortion. Amazing.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
13. It's been that way as long as there's been organized religion
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 10:14 AM
Dec 2019

A certain percentage of the population is vulnerable to believing other people either are a god, or speak for one. Once you have that power over someone you can extract power and money. Convince enough people and you get privilege. The only reason organized religion has persisted as long as it has is because of that privilege. When people stop indoctrinating their children into religion, the chances of them picking it up as an adult are slim.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
17. The most moral people I've ever known didn't show up in some building to hear
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 10:34 AM
Dec 2019

about heaven and hell from a serial child molester. Instead, they lived a good, clean life devoted to volunteering their time, giving money and food, etc. to charities that actually helped others, and treated the people they encountered the way they wanted to be treated.

Some of the others who showed up (to be seen) acted as if they could do whatever they wanted the rest of the week because of that 1 hour they pretended to be Christlike. Even in the parking lot, when they cut each other off, they're thinking, "Praise the Lord and let's get the hell outta here."

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
18. That is a hopeful sign, I think.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 10:46 AM
Dec 2019

It's also very likely a self-perpetuating thing. The percentages of non-believers and the non-religious should continue to increase with each generation.

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
20. I watched Rick Steves Christmas in Europe and
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 12:26 PM
Dec 2019

seeing all the lovely traditions and church services. It came to me being raised Catholic that if the church practiced and preached real teachings of Jesus , to love EVERYONE , to help everyone and stop judging people for their perceived sins then they may draw more to the church.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
24. What are the "real teachings of Jesus" though?
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 02:50 PM
Dec 2019

Jesus himself didn't actually love EVERYONE. He judged, and he said some people would be sent to hell. We can do better than that, can't we?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
46. Look at your own words. "Jesus loved and forgave everyone..."
Mon Dec 16, 2019, 09:07 AM
Dec 2019

"...if of course you believed."

So even you admit his love isn't unconditional.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
38. In much of Europe religion is purely ceremonial
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 10:30 AM
Dec 2019

Every village has a chapel or cathedral because they have been there forever. Holidays are celebrated, people still get married and buried in the church, but nobody still believes the mythology.

I suppose that could be the destiny for religion Jesus wanted, but somehow I doubt it.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
27. Millenials in the PRC have also left religion.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 06:17 PM
Dec 2019

So that should mean that the Chinese, non-theistic millennials, and their Government, will show us all how people can behave when they are freed from the shackles of religion.

Tolerance will be the new normal.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
39. Yes, it is clear that these Chinese atheists will elad us all into a new era of tolerance
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 01:54 PM
Dec 2019

and respect because they are not encumbered by religion.

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
29. There are some good churches out there
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 06:40 PM
Dec 2019

Unfortunately the most vocal Right-wing nut job priests and pastors give religion a bad name.

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
30. Interesting point from the article...
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 07:05 PM
Dec 2019

...

For years, the Christian conservative movement has warned about a tide of rising secularism, but research has suggested that the strong association between religion and the Republican Party may actually be fueling this divide. And if even more Democrats lose their faith, that will only exacerbate the acrimonious rift between secular liberals and religious conservatives.

“At that critical moment when people are getting married and having kids and their religious identity is becoming more stable, Republicans mostly do still return to religion — it’s Democrats that aren’t coming back,” said Michele Margolis, author of “From the Politics to the Pews: How Partisanship and the Political Environment Shape Religious Identity.” in an interview for our September story.


I can attest to this, for I equate "religious" with "republican".

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
32. The younger folks recognize the hypocrisy of 'witnessing' for the faith by those supporting Trump an
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 08:53 PM
Dec 2019

The younger folks recognize the hypocrisy of 'witnessing' for the faith by those supporting Trump and his practices.

It does not show the credibility of the faith in a positive light.

Cartoonist

(7,318 posts)
35. Trump was sent by God
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 01:39 AM
Dec 2019

I want all the Trumpers to keep repeating that. One more millennial leaves the faith each time it's spoken.

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