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Greatest I am

(235 posts)
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 03:29 PM Mar 7

Do you put God above or below yourself?

Do you put God above or below yourself?
God here I define as a best ideal, natural or supernatural or whatever you gives ther best rules and laws to live by.
Consider first, that you are an animal first, and anything else after your mental birth.
The God, or best ideal or type of an ant, is an ant.
The God, or best ideal or type of a lion, is a lion.
The God, or best ideal or type of a human being, is a human being.
We are natural and spiritual beings, not supernatural beings, and should thus follow a natural and spiritual religion, not a supernatural based religion.
Thoughts?

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Do you put God above or below yourself? (Original Post) Greatest I am Mar 7 OP
I am Goddess. Immanent. niyad Mar 7 #1
Goddess Greatest I am Mar 7 #10
Huh? That sounds humanist. SarahD Mar 7 #2
Divine Greatest I am Mar 7 #11
Neither. God does not exist. Cartoonist Mar 7 #3
You lie like a preacher. Greatest I am Mar 7 #12
I'll rephrase it Cartoonist Mar 7 #15
Nowhere have I lied. Greatest I am Mar 7 #23
You spoke of God as a thing that exists. Cartoonist Mar 8 #29
Not even remotely the same thing Major Nikon Mar 10 #32
NATURE is beside all of us always. elleng Mar 7 #4
Do you know your nature? Greatest I am Mar 7 #13
I have no idea what you're talking about. brooklynite Apr 1 #35
I embrace the concept of universal oneness... anciano Mar 7 #5
On oneness of consciousness. Yuk. Greatest I am Mar 7 #14
I dont believe in god, your mileage may vary getagrip_already Mar 7 #6
Both science and religions now have Gods of the Gaps. Greatest I am Mar 7 #16
Gods of Fancy or Gods of Convenience? getagrip_already Mar 7 #17
Fun Fact. Kings loved religions for their science. Greatest I am Mar 7 #22
Science does not have gods. Voltaire2 Mar 8 #30
You certainly aren't the first one in this forum to equate religious claims with scientific ones Major Nikon Mar 10 #33
Within all life. Even the kinds of life we don't have a way of identifying as "life" yet. n/t TygrBright Mar 7 #7
Yes. But is there a before or after life for our life force or soul? Greatest I am Mar 7 #18
I have neither a soul nor a life force brooklynite Apr 1 #36
Who? Croney Mar 7 #8
Who, if not you? Greatest I am Mar 7 #19
That's some crazy shit, man. Croney Mar 7 #21
Post removed Post removed Mar 7 #24
Gnostics believed in two gods. Voltaire2 Mar 8 #31
Who? (n/t) lastlib Mar 7 #9
See above, but what does (n/t) mean? Greatest I am Mar 7 #20
(no text) lastlib Mar 7 #25
The Source produces souls which will, to differing degrees, maintain spiritual Karadeniz Mar 7 #26
First, I ask God whether they want to be on top or bottom, and... Act_of_Reparation Mar 7 #27
Thoughts not my own: Anon-C Mar 7 #28
I don't subscribe to religion, spiritualism or woo... brooklynite Apr 1 #34

SarahD

(1,433 posts)
2. Huh? That sounds humanist.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 03:34 PM
Mar 7

Anyway, there is no divine being that tells us what to do and punishes us if we disobey. That's all that concerns me.

Greatest I am

(235 posts)
11. Divine
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 04:49 PM
Mar 7

I agree and feel the same way.

The Bible even says that, but those who believe in the supernatural miss that bit of wisdom and advice.

No point in getting the quote here.

Greatest I am

(235 posts)
12. You lie like a preacher.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 04:54 PM
Mar 7

Preachers say that there is a God and perhaps you and others call them out as liars.

I do.

You should be above them, and stop phrasing your opinion as a fact, when it cannot be shown to be one.

Cartoonist

(7,339 posts)
15. I'll rephrase it
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:11 PM
Mar 7

There is absolutely no evidence that God exists, so your question is moot.

You phrased your question in a way that says god does exist. Who's the liar?

Major Nikon

(36,831 posts)
32. Not even remotely the same thing
Sun Mar 10, 2024, 11:37 AM
Mar 10

One of those things is an incredible superstitious claim and the other is firmly based in reason. If I say it's a fact the sun will rise tomorrow you could certainly say that's not a fact, but for all practical purposes it is and is beyond silly to say it technically isn't.

Greatest I am

(235 posts)
13. Do you know your nature?
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 04:56 PM
Mar 7

If you can believe in your real beginning, you will know thyself.

Knowing thyself is said to be the main way of gaining knowledge.

I took my wife time travelling, mentally that is, the other night, from our present time, down to where she first became aware of herself as alive. Her “I am” moment.

At her present time, I had her admit that she was working towards her best possible end to her life. Just as I and all those who are reading this do. We do this perpetually and constantly.

I then had her follow her timeline back to her beginning, having to admit that her best end was always her prime focus, as it is with all life. Amendment. She agreed to all times except for the “I am”. I don’t know what to make of this lack of logic after following a plain logic trail. This aside.

“I am”, read that as “you and I”, is quite selfish. Universal this in life.

Some thank God. I thank nature and my God, I am, should he/I end in being real.

We are all expressed by our DNA and chemistry. It produces a material dualism that has most of us thinking in a body soul way. 95%.

What is the best end to our bodies, given that our DNA is telling us we are the best of breed?

Read that as King or Queen, or Alpha/Beta in our physical animal reality.

What is the best end for our bodies and souls is that we should try to become leaders of humans?

What is the best end for our souls is to become leader of heaven. Remember that Jesus dethroning his father.

We are all born wanting to be masters of both the physical world, and the other imagined supernatural world, should it be real.

I still have my initial desire to show my best of breed fitness in both the physical and spiritual realms. I still want to be King or God.

Do you?

What are you doing to further your first thinking and goal in life on becoming our next King/God or Queen/Goddess?

anciano

(1,064 posts)
5. I embrace the concept of universal oneness...
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 04:02 PM
Mar 7

"Constantly regard the universe as one living being, having one substance and one soul" --- Marcus Aurelius

Greatest I am

(235 posts)
14. On oneness of consciousness. Yuk.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:07 PM
Mar 7

I recognize that we are all in this together, alone. The cosmic consciousness like entity and consciousness you envisage, I think I found during my apotheosis.

It is more like our consciousness uploading to a mainframe and being able to access the whole data bases while still maintaining our own initial consciousness and memories.

No one believes in apotheosis or telepathy and I cannot see myself letting myself disappear in some larger consciousness.

I will always want to be together with the all, alone.

Variety is the spice of life and without it, who would need a morals sense.

getagrip_already

(15,192 posts)
6. I dont believe in god, your mileage may vary
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 04:05 PM
Mar 7

Aliens might change my mind, but so far, they don't seem to exist either.

Greatest I am

(235 posts)
16. Both science and religions now have Gods of the Gaps.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:13 PM
Mar 7

Chances for either aliens or supernatural Gods are dropping quickly, as both science and religion now have Gods of the Gaps that they both cannot explain and that contradict what has been assumed.

getagrip_already

(15,192 posts)
17. Gods of Fancy or Gods of Convenience?
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:17 PM
Mar 7

More likely God's of Profit in the end.

Or power. Could be profit and power.

Greatest I am

(235 posts)
22. Fun Fact. Kings loved religions for their science.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:38 PM
Mar 7

I have some ancient machines links but you guys like to do your own research.

That was a part of why the early Christianity had respect and grew like a wildfire.

A shame that supernatural thinking corrupted it.

Voltaire2

(13,478 posts)
30. Science does not have gods.
Fri Mar 8, 2024, 07:00 AM
Mar 8

It does have gaps - they’re observable phenomena that cannot be explained yet.

The phrase ‘god of the gaps’, which you utterly misused, refers to a theist argument that claims any unexplained phenomenon is proof of god. Science just doesn’t do that.

Major Nikon

(36,831 posts)
33. You certainly aren't the first one in this forum to equate religious claims with scientific ones
Sun Mar 10, 2024, 11:40 AM
Mar 10

Each time it doesn't get any less ridiculous.

Greatest I am

(235 posts)
18. Yes. But is there a before or after life for our life force or soul?
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:20 PM
Mar 7

I found a cosmic consciousness and that changed my outlook to all but the supernatural.

The natural changes when you know telepathy is real.

Human control of the sub atomic world.

Greatest I am

(235 posts)
19. Who, if not you?
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:27 PM
Mar 7

Who but a person can express anything about any God?

They are all man made.

If we define God, as the best rules and laws we can find to follow, then that ideal, whatever it is, is your God.

We all have an ideal, call it God or whatever you like.

Just be Gnostic Christian about it and be willing to scrap a law if a better one comes along.

That is how you will spot a wise Gnostic Christian, --- and reject the brain dead supernatural Christian believers who end in calling an evil Yahweh good.

Croney

(4,690 posts)
21. That's some crazy shit, man.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:32 PM
Mar 7

I'm not calling you crazy; don't want to be alerted on.

Just not engaging. Peace. Vote blue.

Response to Croney (Reply #21)

Voltaire2

(13,478 posts)
31. Gnostics believed in two gods.
Fri Mar 8, 2024, 10:04 AM
Mar 8

The supreme being was hidden and good. All matter was created by the evil second god, the Yahweh of the bible. It was sort of a mashup of Manichaeism and early Christianity. They did however believe that each person should find salvation within themselves.

Karadeniz

(22,667 posts)
26. The Source produces souls which will, to differing degrees, maintain spiritual
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 07:00 PM
Mar 7

Values when residing in humanity with every incarnation. The Source itself never leaves its world. Souls are the Source's agents for affecting improvements on earth. It's up to us!!!

brooklynite

(95,351 posts)
34. I don't subscribe to religion, spiritualism or woo...
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 09:09 AM
Apr 1

There is no evidence of a god, a universal consciousness, or anything “greater than ourselves”.

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