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Our secular endeavor of space exploration is flush with religious observance. Why is that?
Jul 16 2012, 2:05 PM ET
Rebecca J. Rosen
Before the launch this weekend of three human beings into the ether of space around the Earth, before they boarded their Soyuz spacecraft, and before the rockets were fired, precautions were taken. Not the humdrum checklists and redundancies of space exploration -- assessing the weather, the equipment, the math -- but a preparation with a more mystical dimension: the blessing, by a Russian Orthodox priest, of the spacecraft, as it sat on the launchpad on the Kazakh steppe.
The scene, as shown in NASA photographs such as the one above, presents a tableau that seems incongruent, but may just be fitting.
The discordance is obvious: Here we are, on the brink of a new expedition to space, a frontier of human exploration and research that is the capstone of our scientific achievement. "The idea of traveling to other celestial bodies reflects to the highest degree the independence and agility of the human mind. It lends ultimate dignity to man's technical and scientific endeavors," the rocket scientist Krafft Arnold Ehricke once said. "Above all, it touches on the philosophy of his very existence." His secular existence.
And yet here is a priest, outfitted in the finery of a centuries-old church, shaking holy water over the engines, invoking God's protection for a journey to near-earth orbit. That these two spheres of human creation co-exist is remarkable. That they interact, space agencies courting the sanction of Russian Orthodox Christianity, is strange.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/communion-on-the-moon-the-religious-experience-in-space/259826/#
Blue Owl
(50,402 posts)n/t
calimary
(81,304 posts)That is a GREAT one!
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Blessing of the Fleet - St Bernard Parish, Louisiana
WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)but the ones who actually have to ride in the boat or rocket.
Kali
(55,013 posts)not only because of the numbers, but because most nonbelievers don't fight against it for whatever reasons (tolerance of religious behavior for others, fear of prejudice against them, apathy etc)
rug
(82,333 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)The article is really good and explores the reasons why so many astronauts have talked about their religious beliefs.
And what is the harm in doing this? The only ones that would have the status to object, imo, would be the astronauts.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You mean, other than reinforcing the status quo of how privileged and special religion is, and reminding non-believers of their status as second class citizens?
WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)If it gives the astronauts peace of mind, I have no problems. If the astronauts object, it shouldn't be done.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Or their special beliefs. Too bad we can't have true neutrality and respect for ALL (non-)beliefs.
If an astronaut (or cosmonaut) wants a blessing, why can't s/he get it from her/his spiritual leader privately? Why does it have to be shoved in everyone's face?
longship
(40,416 posts)Certainly Carl Sagan communicated this; a feeling of wonder and curiosity about nature. Others in science do similarly. Richard Feynman, Murray Gell-Mann, Frank Wilczek, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Jacob Bronowski, etc. The list goes on and on.
Being held in awe of rainbows, aurora, the Milky Way, the view through a telescope -- whether of some distant galaxy or some earthbound lifeform -- and many others can bring these kind of feelings to anybody.
But, here's the take-away. It does not detract from the splendor of nature to say that the universe in all its splendor came about without some universal mind.
The universe is what it is. I do not require a bigger thing to appreciate what we can observe and learn about it. It holds me in awe just as it is. Tonight I will go out under my semi-dark skies to look for aurora. I may listen to Bach while I am doing so. If things come together I very well may experience what some would call a religious experience where I see nature raw and unbridled. But it takes away nothing that I understand how that aurora happen. The Bach may enhance those feelings -- although Mozart, Brahms, Stockhausen, or just the silence of night, may do the same.
This is my individual numenous experience. And it includes no gods, because they are, on the whole, superfluous. William of Okham slices them off.
Isn't Mother Nature a splendiferous thing just on her own?
Ahhhh!
rug
(82,333 posts)Although the word has been adopted by some to suggest a nonreligious experience, it remains at its root a religious word depicting a religious experience.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=numinous
Personally, when I consider the universe it is not essentially awe, although that's part of it. Rather I am more aware of indifference. It is simlar to being in the middle of a desert or an ocean. Awesome, to be sure, but indifferent to one's existence, present or future, nonetheless.
I find an essential difference between a religious experience and a (nonreligious) "numinous" experience to be the difference between feeling alone and not alone.
longship
(40,416 posts)However, the adjective form may properly be defined as "that which presents itself as a deity". The simile is important here.
Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins were/are both fond of the word. I, too, have adopted it as that characteristic of nature that shakes one to the bone -- there is something going on here that is important, something that humankind should learn about, something that could transform our culture for generations, something that could enable humans, and our followers-on, to survive when over 90% of our forebears have not.
No, our progeny, millions of years hence, will not likely be human. But, today, we humans -- possibly, but not likely -- have a chance to rig the dice in our progeny's (and many other Terran lifeform's) favor.
The only reason why the world today is not populated by reptilians -- no matter what Billy Meier and the Raelians say -- is that the dinosaurs did not have a space program.
Thanks for the thoughtful response.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)minaret or cathedral spire, observe the resemblance.
IMHO it goes back to the days when we were monkeys and found food and safety in trees.
rug
(82,333 posts)dimbear
(6,271 posts)It's so hard to cut down a cave, or wash it away. OTOH, what has become of the Tower of Babel?
humblebum
(5,881 posts)Guess things are improving.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)Without the blessing, it would just fizzle. And God certainly wouldn't allow an unblessed rocketship to enter the heavens. It would, um, just bounce off the top of the sky.
"Rocket fuel?"
"Check."
"Liquid oxygen?"
"Check."
"Priestly blessing?"
"Um, I have a red light on the priestly blessing."
"Oh, no. We forgot the priestly blessing. We can't achieve ignition without the priestly blessing. Put the countdown on hold until we get some holy water down here."