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PTI | Jan 7, 2012, 04.28AM IST
LONDON: A four-year-old boy saved by a priest from drowning in the icy waters of the River Inn in Germany in 1894 could have been Adolf Hitler, say historians.
According to a newspaper report, which has surfaced in a German archive, the child was plucked from the river in Passau in January 1894. It quoted Max Tremmel that his predecessor Johann Kuehberger had rescued "the terrified Hitler".
In fact, Father Tremmel said before his death in 1980 how Father Kuehberger , almost the same age as Hitler , had seen the other boy struggling in the river and dived in to rescue him. The story was never verified by the Nazi dictator during his lifetime.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/Priest-saved-4-yr-old-Hitler-from-drowning/articleshow/11395844.cms
Well, there you go.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)laconicsax
(14,860 posts)Do I make a snarky comment blaming the holocaust on the Church, or do I adulate the priest for saving a 4-year-old from drowning?
LARED
(11,735 posts)It's expected.
rug
(82,333 posts)I'm glad we're bigger than that.
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 6, 2012, 10:18 PM - Edit history (1)
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struggle4progress
(117,949 posts)a January 1894 press report, of an unnamed 4 year old saved by another unnamed person from drowning in Passau, could refer to Schicklgruber's child
The support is apparently that Max Tremmel (1902-1980) allegedly said "his predecessor" Johann Kuehberger(?) told him he rescued the child. Now Tremmel's death predates even Anna Elisabeth Rosmus's (b. 1960) first book on Passau -- Widerstand und Verfolgung am Beispiel Passaus 19331939 (1983) -- and her later book (Out of Passau) which allegedly contains this story was not published until 1999
Max Tremmel received his ordination in 1927. He remained his entire career in Passau ... until his retirement in 1975
http://regiowiki.pnp.de/index.php/Max_Tremmel
<dates at which Johann Kühberger and Max Tremmel were organists at the Cathedral of St. Stephan in Passau>
19181927: Johann Kühberger (* 1889 in Passau, 1957 in Passau)
19461952: Max Tremmel (* 1902 in Passau, 1980 in Passau)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgeln_des_Domes_St._Stephan_%28Passau%29
I presume "Kuehberger" is actually "Kühberger." If the current speculative version is true, it would mean that Johann Kühberger at age 5 heroically rescued another child (aged 4) from drowning an icy river.
So the first print account of the current speculative version dates to a century after the news story, was written by a woman born about 65 years after the event, and seems to rely on the testimony of a man (born nearly a decade after the event and dead nearly two decades before the publication of the current speculative version) about what another man (d. 1957) told him about events in his own childhood. Note also that the original witness was dead before first-author-in-print Rosmus was even born
To reconcile the current speculative version with the 1894 newspaper account further requires that Anna Schicklgruber be living in Johann Kühberger's father's house in 1894
rug
(82,333 posts)Igel
(35,173 posts)At best, it's "Man who later became priest saved Hitler when both were children".