Was Jesus a Republican?

[Viva_Daddy]

Matthew 13:12 "For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance; but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath."

This does appear to be the GOP position...LOL

[MotherPetrie]

1. No wonder all fundies seem to be Repugs

[madamesilverspurs]

2. Nah,

but he was castigated for hanging out with 'publicans' and other sinners. . .


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[hrmjustin]

3. Jesus cared about people so he could not be a republican. n/t

[The Wielding Truth]

4. What is "had: is not money or power. It is the knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.

13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

[Viva_Daddy]

5. Yes, in context, Jesus was talking about wisdom.

The quote above, while taken out of context, did seem appropriate re the Republican Party.
Please NOTE LOL!!

[The Wielding Truth]

20. I see.It does take some distortion to apply Republican actions to the teachings of Jesus.

[cbayer]

6. Taken completely and utterly out of context.

This is part of a section that speaks to the purpose of using parables and refers to the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, not earthly goods or wealth.

Edit: Sorry, posted this prior to reading the response above, but wonder why, if you knew the context, you posted it in this way anyway?

[thelordofhell]

7. The Gospel Of Supply Side Jesus

[Lint Head]

8. Time to end the debate. Religion is the root of most bigotry and war.

[cbayer]

11. He hath spoken and he hath not stuttered.

:bowstosuperiorintelligence.:

[Lint Head]

12. Love that word hath.

[cbayer]

13. Doesn't your post above kind of fly in the face of your sig line?

[Lint Head]

15. Do you mean my reply? I did not make the original post.

Contradiction is not a vice unless coupled with hypocrisy.

[cbayer]

17. No, post #8. It seems to be a gross generalization.

[Lint Head]

18. Religiosity is a specific type of human activity that can become dangerous.

Religiously taking certain medications can damage specific organs. Letting Jesus take the wheel can result in numerous fatalities. Depends on the religion of your choice. Spiritual beliefs in dieties do not own the definition of the word "religion".

[Angry Dragon]

9. republicans just say they believe in god

they never say which god

[Igel]

10. Beatles or Rolling Stones?

Briefs or boxers?

Red salsa or green?

Polyester or cotton?

And most importantly, did he like anchovies on his pizza? (It's a given that it had to have tomato-based sauce.)


No, I'm not asking what he would have liked. I'm asking what he actually did like. And at the last supper, was it coffee or tea that was served--and regardless, sugar, Splenda, stevia, or that new monkfruit-based stuff?

Don't tell me that polyester didn't exist, that underwear was mostly wrapped on, that the electric guitar hadn't been invented yet, that tomatoes/peppers/tomatillos weren't in the Old World, that coffee probably hadn't made it to market yet and tea was an East Asian thing. That's ducking the question.

Unless we accept that some questions are so anachronistic as to be foolish, and are mostly asked to asset that God (or whatever deity) has been wise enough to accept our POVs and join with the winning team.

[dimbear]

14. He is reported to make use of donkeys, never elephants.

That's a good sign for us.

[JoeyT]

16. Probably not.

He didn't appear to give a crap about half of their hot button issues because they didn't exist yet and disagreed with them on nearly all the half that did.

[meow2u3]

19. Jesus was speaking of spiritual wealth, not material wealth

Some of the prosperity gospel heretics twisted Matthew 13:12 to make Jesus out to be a heartless materialist.

[SarahM32]

21. Mathew 13:12, like Luke 19:26, are misunderstood and misused by the "religious right."

The "religious right" takes isolated sentences from the Bible to "prove" their political ideology. For example, Luke 19:26 states that Jesus of Nazareth said: "I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from those that have not, even what they have will be taken away."

The Reaganite "Relious Right" focuses on that and on the statement that Jesus came to give us "life more abundantly." They think that justifies their claim that their wealth is a reward from God, and that the poor deserve their lot because they are just lazy. However, they simply ignore everything else Jesus said about the rich and poor, and they misinterpret the context and meaning of Luke 19:26.

In Luke 19:8-26 Jesus was talking partly about the fact that we generally reap what we sow, and he was specifically talking about the rewards of earning an honest and fair profit from an honest investment. However, Jesus qualified such statements and he also said that it is wrong to reap what you did not sow, or profit unjustly because you were tempted by greed and lust for money. Moreover, he said that you should do unto others as you would have others do unto you, and treat all others as you would want to be treated if you were them -- and be fair, just, kind, and generous.

Moreover, in another sense, what Jesus said about the “haves and have nots” was also a kind of prophecy. He said that during the age he ushered in, and especially now at its end, a corrupt, wealthy, powerful few would take more and more so that the majority and the poor would have less and less.

That has been the case during the passing age, and it's gotten so bad that now 20 percent of the American population owns 95 percent of the nation's wealth, while 80 percent of us are expected to get by on the remaining five percent. And it's getting worse in that regard.

And by the way, Jesus also rebuked the commercial profiteers who were profiting unjustly and had turned the temple into a "den of thieves." He hated greedy profiteers, and he even said it would be "easier for a rich man to try to fit through the eye of a needle than to enter heaven."

(Excerpted and quoted from Poverty: America's Greatest Shame.)
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[SarahM32]

22. Looking at Matthew 13:12 in context reveals the truth.

The “Christian Right” also points to Matthew 13:12 which states: "Whosoever has, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance; but whosoever has not, from him shall be taken away even what he has."

However, they take that out of context too, and consequently misunderstand it.

Matt 13:10-15 states: “The disciples said to him, ‘Why do you speak to them in parables?’ Jesus answered and said, ‘Because it is given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever has, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever has not, from him shall be taken away even that he has. Therefore I speak to them in parables: because seeing they see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. For Isaiah said, ‘You hear but do not understand, and see but do not perceive.’ For these people's heart have grown is waxed gross, and their ears are dull and their eyes have closed. Unless they see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, then they can be healed.’”

Therefore, both Isaiah and Jesus were not talking about material possessions or money. They were talking about the people who are spiritually poor, who lack wisdom, understanding, and faith.

Moreover, in another sense, what Jesus said about the “haves and have nots” was also a kind of prophecy similar to Isaiah’s. Jesus said that during the age he ushered in, and especially now at its end, a corrupt, wealthy, powerful few would corrupt society. They would not serve God, but Mammon, worshiping wealth and material possession. And they would take more and more so that the majority and the poor would have less and less.

(Again, from Poverty: America's Greatest Shame.)
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