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Related: About this forumProgressive Christians, what do you tell your children Easter is about?
Do you tell them that Jesus literally rose from the dead?
Stargazer09
(2,132 posts)My kids think it is just about the Easter bunny. I should probably tell them about the religious aspects, simply because their classmates would expect them to know.
I'm not terribly religious, but I think Jesus was a good person.
ETA: When I discuss the meaning behind Easter, I will not be going into great detail about the resurrection.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Easter, as a Christian observance, IS all about the resurrection.
d_r
(6,907 posts)that we celebrate that Jesus saved us all.
That we can all go to Heaven because God was so proud of Jesus for teaching people to be good and kind, and to share and help others and help the poor and the sick.
Mine are 9 and 5. I haven't talked about the crucifixion and stuff because I don't know how they'd handle it.
ETA oh, I've said that it is to celebrate when Jesus went to Heaven.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)C A N D Y ! ! !
just kidding .... kinda
As an atheist, I never pushed them one way or the other ... Easter was more of a family social event than a religious experience .... nice family dinners with the grandparents was what Easter was about for us ...
oh, and candy
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I teach them that Jesus rose from the dead and by his overcoming death we are set free. So yes I teach them he he rose.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)That the laws of physics and the natural laws of the universe were magically suspended and a man was literally resurrected from the dead?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Christians believe he died and rose again and by his death and resurrection we are set free.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Thanks for sharing.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Which is quite contrary to what people believe Jesus taught. And then looking at the state of the lives of most others on the planet...
I guess teaching out children to try and be good to each other is all we can do. That's what I teach my child.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I was raised Catholic and I could never understand how someone dying would release others from their sins. I mean, if God wanted to release the whole world from their sins, wouldn't he just do it? I mean, why go through the whole drama? And wouldn't it have been better to let Jesus live and continue to spread the word about tolerance and poverty and loving one another?
I hope you know that I mean no offense to you by writing this, I just really don't get it.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)He says to me God should have just given us a boil on our Ass instead of having to execute his son. I always find that amusing. Can you imagine Jesus saying to his father Dad can't we talk about this.
I always wondered about why you would need an atonement by killing another myself. But I believe in the resurrection and what it does for humanity. I think it sets every human free no matter what you believe. I just want their to be life after death. It would kind of suck if there is none.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Very appropriate, Jesus was another 'myself' of God
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Perhaps unintentional, perhaps not. It was very clever, actually. No sarcasm, that was cool.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)ease responding.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)When I took a New Testament course led by a Jesuit theologian, I started looking at the crucifixion/resurrection differently.
He basically emphasized that the crucifixion was not a blood sacrifice to make everything ok between God and humanity. He said that historical Jesus taught the in-breaking of the new reality of the "kingdom of God" in his time and place. This new reality welcomed everyone as God's children, not just the rich, powerful, and religiously correct, but especially the poor, marginalized, and outcaste. At the heart of this new reality was new community with a radical trust in God, or what Jesus called "abba" "daddy."
According to the theologian, this was possibly what the historical Jesus believed was his role: to proclaim that the kingdom is at hand and to help bring it into its fullest expression through how he lived his life; his role wasn't to walk around preaching for a few years before going off to shed his magical blood and save the world from sin.
This inclusive new reality that he embodied and lived out, of course, threatened the Powers That Be at the time (the repressive religious/political/economic/social structures that benefited from keeping people poor, marginalized, and outcaste). Especially when Jesus goes into Jerusalem for Passover with a sizable crowd following him and reclaims the temple for this new reality.
He's eventually executed in such a way that struck at the very heart of his claim that the kingdom is at hand and that we should embrace a radical trust in God. As he died on the cross, Jesus himself was probably wondering in anguish about the validity of what he had preached and lived out ("My God! My God! Why have you forsaken me?" .
But even in his deepest despair and doubt, Jesus choose to remain steadfast in his faith and belief that the kingdom was at hand and even while he may die, he believed God was ultimately in control and would transform the catastrophe of his crucifixion into something powerfully transformative itself.
His resurrection was the result of that. Whether he was actually raised from the dead or not, his disciples began to understand and experience the new reality he preached in a new and deeper way after his death, in a way that did indeed radically transform them.
They did apparently believe he was going to return soon, which explains why the Gospels weren't written until decades later. Initially, the early followers went around proclaiming that the new kingdom reality was a hand and that the parousia (return of Jesus as the complete fulfillment of that reality) would be soon. As time went on and that didn't happen, however, the new reality eventually solidified into a new religion.
I think I got that right (it was back in the '90s when I took this class, so it may not be comprehensive). All of this, of course, is much more difficult to sum up than parroting a bumpersticker slogan like "Jesus died for your sins."
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Very interesting, thank you for that!
deutsey
(20,166 posts)I was hoping I was making sense.
This Christological interpretation brought me back to Christianity for a while before it eventually also led me to leave the mainline denomination I used to belong to because it was beginning to lean toward a more orthodox/conservative theology.
However, because of this Christology I still have positive feelings toward Christianity...just not a lot of what passes as Christianity today.
elfin
(6,262 posts)And oh yes, a magic bunny.
woodsprite
(11,913 posts)of the Last Supper, Jesus death and of 3 days later, when he manifested in the spirit form.
Tonight we'll go to Maundy Thursday service (mainly because were in choir). We'll be hearing the story of the last supper and share an eccumenical soup/sharing dinner with our church friends. Dinner consists of vegetable or chicken soup, crackers, grapes, and wedges of cheese. It's not a tennebrae service, just dinner w/ friends and a 15-min. or so story telling.
Though our church participates in a community Good Friday service, we don't attend.
On Sunday, son, hubby and myself play in the handbell group and choir in church in the morning and head to family dinner in the afternoon. We still do an Easter 'gifty' thing for the kids. My daughter will get a blouse she's been wanting. My son will get a small Lego set and a flashlight that he's wanted. Each will get a book they want (Manga for daughter, Wereworld for son). Each package will be topped off with their 'candy' of choice (Several packs of Big Train Chai tee for daughter and Reese's PB eggs for son).
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)That's not how the story goes....
Sounds like you have a wonderful day planned. Enjoy! And thanks for sharing.
woodsprite
(11,913 posts)grandmom and grandad were just gonna get up out of their caskets after 3 days and everything would go back to normal. He's always been a very literal kid. I'll let him put any questions he has to our minister during confirmation class That should be a fun conversation. She's an awesome lady but I'm not sure if she's ready for him or not
There has never been and never will be any vengeful, end-times, "blood running as deep as a horse's bridle" talk in our house. I have no qualms about walking out of a church that preaches solely that way. That's what I grew up with and it resulted in me having panic attacks and being prescribed 'nerve meds' from the time I was 7yo till I was 11yo. I went to church with our neighbors (probably so Mom and Dad could have some alone time). It didn't help that when my parents asked me what was wrong and I told them, they said I was making it up and made me go anyway. At 17yo I made the decision to be baptized in the Presbyterian church and have mostly attended there since then.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)My daughter, almost 4, is also very literal, so I know what you mean.
Sounds like you have a good one on your hands. I hope it works out how you expect.
Again, thanks for sharing.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)The Body of the Christ is the Church.
That when the Church was completely demoralized they found the tomb empty (Mark) but later by focusing on the meaning of the words and mission of the Rabbi Jesus they found new meaning in the community of believers.
This rebirth of the community was cannonized in Matthew and Luke and mythologized in John.
It was personified in the story of a brilliant tent maker who became a conspirator in religious persecution and an acoomplice to murder. When the guilt became too great for him he suffered from hysterical blindness and only found relief when members of that body accepted him with grace and his life was reborn.
The greatest witness to the life of Jesus, his death and the Ressurection of his message of Grace was a man who never saw him and did his best to kill that message. If that doesn't prove that Ressurection isn't true then I don't know what does.
In proving that the principle of Ressurection is true (hasn't the Union of South Africa been reborn from the dead?) I think that the Church slowly mythologized it into a particular truth rather than a general truth because it found that it was easier to propogate the message with stark symbols and rituals (the Cross and the Mass).
So you can see why I can't consider myself a Christian but also why we never talked about the Easter bunny.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Thanks for sharing.
jeepnstein
(2,631 posts)If he didn't, then Christianity is pointless.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)But if Christ is preached as raised from the dead, how can some among you say there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then neither has Christ been raised.And if Christ has not been raised, then empty [too] is our preaching; empty, too, your faith. Then we are also false witnesses to God, because we testified against God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if in fact the dead are not raised.For if the dead are not raised, neither has Christ been raised, and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still in your sins. Then those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are the most pitiable people of all.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)..almost 16 and 18 now and i no longer identify with that approach to interactions with religious ideas. back then i still told them about ishtar/isis/astarte and the widespread pantheistic/animistic goddess worship of our distant ancestors. i was initiated into a wiccan coven at the tender age of 19.. lasted all of a year and my approach obviously changed in time, but i always figured the truth, even if they didn't fully understand it, was the best explanation.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)We will go over the myriad beliefs and religions humans have had over the years to explain the things we didn't understand or know about and how those beliefs and religions changed a our knowledge about the world increased.
It will be education, not indoctrination.
MsTopaz
(2 posts)Since we are "Progressive" Christians, I tell them that some other Christians believe in the literal story and that we respect their beliefs so we don't argue with them about it when they didn't ask for our opinions.
Then I tell them that many other Christians don't believe or have doubts about a literal resurrection and for them, "resurrection" means new beginnings. I emphasize that death doesn't mean the story is over and that the Body of Christ (of which we are part) are still responsible for helping to bring about the Kingdom of God.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)or literal Resurrection? We toss the word "god" around so often, we never stop to consider what we are referring to. Let us step back and look at our natural world one moment - Where does space end? Does it end? Is there something outside space? Before the Big Bang, did space exist?
Now - time began for a reason. We are used to thinking of God the Father as this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Cima_da_Conegliano,_God_the_Father.jpg/300px-Cima_da_Conegliano,_God_the_Father.jpg
Maybe we should try thinking of something more like this:
Now, if something like that exists before Time, and that something loves us......
Personally, this is my image of God the Father:
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)pinto
(106,886 posts)(disclaimer) I don't have kids so mine isn't a first hand pov.
Burbankteacher
(1 post)As a Sunday School teacher, I believe that the strength of the story is not dependent on a literal interpretation. For example, we tell children the story of the "Boy Who Cried Wolf", never debating on whether or not there really was a Boy Who Cried "Wolf." The truth is in the meaning.
So, what do I teach children at my church? For small children, I teach them this: Even when things seem sad or hopeless, God is with us.
For children a little older, I teach them that some powerful people were scared of the teachings of Jesus. Back then, many people were killed because they opposed those in power. (What were some of these teachings? Jesus taught that the religious system was corrupt. He upset the patriarchal system: everyone was to be brothers and sisters- no one's worth was based on how wealthy they were, or how powerful their family was. The king/ rulers of the day were not the ultimate authority, but spiritual teachings of compassion and justice were to be followed.) These unjust people thought they had won by killing Jesus. But, Jesus rose from the dead. The followers of Jesus continued to tell people the message that Jesus taught them, and we know these teaching today because those unjust people did not win.