Act as mothers, not old maids, Pope tells nuns............

[dimbear]

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/1832325/report-act-as-mothers-not-old-maids-pope-tells-nuns

zitella is the word he employs, which indeed means old maid. The first cut is the deepest.

[Phillip McCleod]

1. b..b..but.. anti-catholic bigotry!

how about this little tidbit.. where are all the popologists now, i wonder?

The Pope's endorsement of the report, which criticised the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, was the first sign that despite his much more modest, open style, he is likely to prove as much of a doctrinal conservative as Benedict XVI.

The Vatican wants to overhaul the organisation, the largest umbrella group of American nuns, accusing it of veering from Church doctrine on issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage and of promoting "certain radical feminist themes".

but he kissed a girl's feet!

for fuck's sake.

[MattBaggins]

15. One step forward.. two steps backwards.

[rug]

2. Here's the full speech.

http://attualita.vatican.va/sala-stampa/bollettino/2013/05/08/news/30952.html

What do the rest of the words mean?

[dimbear]

4. Here's another chunk:

E' una dicotomia assurda pensare di vivere con Gesù senza la Chiesa, di seguire Gesù al di fuori della Chiesa, di amare Gesù senza amare la Chiesa (cfr ibid., 16). Sentite la responsabilità che avete di curare la formazione dei vostri Istituti nella sana dottrina della Chiesa, nell’amore alla Chiesa e nello spirito ecclesiale.

It's absurd to think of being able to live with Jesus without the church, to follow Jesus outside the church, to love Jesus without loving the church. (That's a quote from St. Paul.) Take the responsibility to care for your institutions in the healthy doctrine of the church, in the love of the church and in the ecclesiastical spirit.

*****Mostly just a pep talk.

[rug]

6. Never mind, found the full translation.

http://famvin.org/en/2013/05/08/popes-address-to-women-religious-superiors/

That original snippet came from his comments on the three vows of poverty chastity and obedience.

This is the full paragraph:

And then chastity as a precious charism, which widens the freedom of the gift to God and to others, with the tenderness, the mercy, the closeness of Christ. Chastity for the Kingdom of Heaven shows how affectivity has its place in mature freedom and becomes a sign of the future world, to make God’s primacy shine always. But, please, a “fecund” chastity, a chastity that generates spiritual children in the Church. The consecrated woman is mother, she must be a mother and not a “spinster!” Excuse me if I speak this way, but this maternity, this fecundity of consecrated life is important! May this joy of spiritual fecundity animate your existence. Be mothers, as the figure of Mother Mary and of the Mother Church. Mary cannot be understood without her maternity; the Church cannot be understood without her maternity and you are icons of Mary and of the Church.

Here's the full paragraph of your last excerpt.

Finally ecclesiality as one of the constitutive dimensions of consecrated life, a dimension that must constantly be taken up and deepened in life. Your vocation is an essential charism for the journey of the Church, and it is not possible that a consecrated woman and a consecrated man not “feel” along with the Church. A “feeling” along with the Church which was generated in us in our Baptism; a “feeling” with the Church which finds its filial expression in fidelity to the Magisterium, in communion with the pastors and the Successor of Peter, Bishop of Rome, the visible sign of unity. For every Christian, the proclamation and witnessing of the Gospel are never an isolated act. This is important. For every Christian the proclamation and witnessing of the Gospel are never an isolated or group act, and no evangelizers acts, as Paul VI reminded very well, “on the strength of a personal inspiration, but in union with the mission of the Church and in her name” (Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii nuntiandi, 80). And Paul VI continued: It is an absurd dichotomy to think of living with Jesus without the Church, of following Jesus outside of the Church, of loving Jesus without loving the Church (cf. Ibid., 16). Feel the responsibility you have to take care of the formation of your Institutes in the healthy doctrine of the Church, in love of the Church and in the ecclesial spirit.

You're right, it is basically a pep talk. Nothing new there at all.

[enough]

3. I find that infuriatingly patronizing. Now he wants to tell women who have taken the same vow

of celibacy as male priests that their vow and their celibacy makes them "old maids," and that their highest role is to be as if they had actually been sexual and become as "mothers." I can see what he's trying to do, but it's a cheap fucking trick.

Until their vow and their celibacy brings them to the priesthood within the church, this is just a slicker form of rhetoric. He tells them to be "mothers," just as priests are "fathers," but he will never allow them to be true parents within the church the same as the so-called "fathers."

[Warpy]

5. Has he been living under a rock for the last 35 years?

Freed from the only two occupations of teaching and nursing, nuns have gone out into the community in all sorts of ways, acting as "mothers" to people who most need it.

Damned few orders are still cloistered. Most have been rebuked by Pope Ratz for being far too concerned with worldly affairs like easing the lives of the poorest rather than being handmaidens to the church hierarchy.

I think that one statement has alienated nuns about as far as they were alienated from Ratz.

[Fresh_Start]

7. Time for the nuns to be like mothers...more loyal to their children than to authorities

or abusers.

Like a mother grizzly, attack those who threaten your children.
Attack those who would sacrifice the life of your child to an amorphous other.

[MichiganVote]

8. Alrighty then, getting off to a good start I see.

Not.

[niyad]

9. my only surprise is that anyone is surprised.

bet the nuns weren't.

[cleanhippie]

10. Maybe he should focus on the priests, and tell them not to be child-rapers instead.

[rug]

11. Maybe he already did.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22043312

[Lordquinton]

14. Maybe he could follow it up with some action

and turn some of them in. Maybe they could turn over the guy who was in charge of all that, I hear he just retired...

[trotsky]

12. But... the Catholic leadership ignores Nuns on the Bus at their own peril!

It's to the point where you wonder if it's not some kind of Stockholm syndrome thing with nuns and liberal/moderate Catholics.

[rug]

13. Oh, you wonder if liberal/moderate Catholics have hostage-induced mental illness.

Do post when you've come to a conclusion or abandon passive-aggressive statements, whichever comes first. Broad brushes work best without coyness.

In the meantime, this is one of the things that's going on outside your narrow world view.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12212570

[skepticscott]

16. Knee-jerk apologetics

is the only "narrow world view" visible here.

You've shown us a little group of Catholics desperate to stick with the church no matter what. Something new there? Contrary to your claim, some of us here HAVE seen that before..

[rug]

17. Knee-jerk bashing.

All I've seen is a little group of antitheists desperate to bash with the church no matter what.

[okasha]

18. And a little woman-bashing to wash it down with.

nt

[skepticscott]

19. And what "woman bashing" is that?

Or is it just another invention of yours, okasha?

[skepticscott]

20. No matter what?

So enabling child rape and rampant homophobia and sexism is "no matter what"?

Pathetic. Really.

[rug]

21. Yes, no matter what.

I wonder what your reaction to garlic is like.

[skepticscott]

22. I know you think that

Bashing the church over enabling child rape and not treating homosexuals as full and equal people is nothing to bash it about. But try to to be so blatant about your defense of bigotry on a progressive web site.

[rug]

24. I know you think that

the Catholic Church exists for the sole purpose of promoting pedophilia but, like so many of your posts, you're wrong. What makes this site useful is that it is relentlessly fact based. Since your posts uniformly reek of talking points and preformed biases, and not facts, I am unsurprised your little corner makes DU suck.

Oh, and I haven't even mentioned your regular personal hostility to any poster who types anything that affronts your narrow world view. You're welcome.

Now, how proving your claim that I defend bigotry, scottie? Do you think that latest ejection of bullshit from you is going to stand unquestioned? Let's hear it.

[skepticscott]

25. Please try not to presume what I think

the Catholic church's "sole purpose" is. I've never said that I have any such opinion and I defy you to prove otherwise. I know you can only label me as wrong and having a "narrow world view" by making shit up, but it really makes you look foolish.

[rug]

27. Likewise.

But if you must, don't utter your presumptions.

[okasha]

23. Lol.

nt

[BlueToTheBone]

26. They should go all Demeter on him.

http://www.mythweb.com/gods/demeter.html