No bail for Pa. parents in faith-healing death
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By MARYCLAIRE DALE
| Associated Press
PHILADELPHIA (AP) — After their 2-year-old son died of untreated pneumonia in 2009, faith-healing advocates Herbert and Catherine Schaible promised a judge they would not let another sick child go without medical care.
But now they've lost an 8-month-old to what a prosecutor called "eerily similar" circumstances. And instead of another involuntary manslaughter charge, they're now charged with third-degree murder.
"We believe in divine healing, that Jesus shed blood for our healing and that he died on the cross to break the devil's power," Herbert Schaible, 44, told Philadelphia homicide detectives after their ninth child, Brandon, died in April. Medicine, he said, "is against our religious beliefs."
The Schaibles were ordered held without bail Friday, two days after their arrest, although defense lawyers argued that they are neither a flight risk nor a danger to the community.
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about the difference between involuntary manslaughter and third degree murder.
I'll try to educate myself on it this evening.
I found their pastor's response, which I excerpted, to be especially grating. It reminded me of my cousin's experience with a particularly fundamentalist husband: severe depression? If you just get your spiritual act together you won't need anti-depressant meds, or any other type of treatment. Just practice the Health Message, and get your act together with God. And so she suffered, for years, with severe, debilitating, depression. And the woman was about as committed to Jesus, and careful about diet and exercise, as a person can get.
He finally softened his stance and "allowed" her to use an anti-depressant. And she experienced a pronounced recovery. And continues with a strong faith, and practices a healthier lifestyle than most. She just isn't miserable anymore.
Imagine that.
Edited to include the fact that I've now seen your subsequent post, and I thank you for educating all of us on the subject, as you often do. A dog-walk in between the time I first started formatting this post, and subsequent posting, put me out of the loop. 
The pastor should be charged with criminal solicitation.
(a) Definition of solicitation.--A person is guilty of
solicitation to commit a crime if with the intent of promoting
or facilitating its commission he commands, encourages or
requests another person to engage in specific conduct which
would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime
or which would establish his complicity in its commission or
attempted commission.
(b) Renunciation.--It is a defense that the actor, after
soliciting another person to commit a crime, persuaded him not
to do so or otherwise prevented the commission of the crime,
under circumstances manifesting a complete and voluntary
renunciation of his criminal intent.
The pastor was as aware of the likely consequences as the parents. If the prosecution wants to stop these "faith healing" deaths, that is the surest way. I doubt they're prepared to weather the firestorm that would cause. It's much easier to simply shoot these poor fish in the barrel.
(Pet your dog for me.
)Yeah, he's admitting his knowledge, and his awareness of how they would act in a future similar situation.
It's two Chihuahua/Yorkie mixes (we call 'em Chorkies) and a Beauceron. Walking the three of them is usually like trying to walk a pack of squirrells.
We call her a Chowpeinu. Dumb but sweet. 
They are passing laws to let women die for the religious belief of those men.
