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rug

(82,333 posts)
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:39 PM Aug 2013

Separation of church and state group backs parents of boy named Messiah

The parents gained the support of the Freedom from Religion Foundation, which wants the actions of Judge Lu Ann Ballew investigated and punished if she showed religious favoritism. Ballew had told Jaleesa Martin and the father of her 7-month-old son Messiah that they had to change his name because only Jesus Christ was the Messiah.

By Trudi Bird / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Friday, August 16, 2013, 8:32 AM

A not-for-profit organization that supports the separation of church and state wants an investigation into a Tennessee magistrate for ordering a baby's name be changed from Messiah to Martin.

The Freedom from Religion Foundation says it also wants possible "discipline" for Judge Lu Ann Ballew, who it said in a news release, showed religious favoritism by ordering the name change, stating that only Jesus Christ had earned the title.

The parents of the seven-month-old boy had originally gone before the child support magistrate in Cocke County Chancery Court because they couldn't agree whose surname he should have.

But Ballew was more concerned about the baby's first name - Messiah.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/freedom-religion-foundation-joins-messiah-baby-name-fight-article-1.1428617

http://ffrf.org/images/ballew_letter.pdf

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Separation of church and state group backs parents of boy named Messiah (Original Post) rug Aug 2013 OP
I would be surprised if this was not overturned by another judge Drale Aug 2013 #1
I agree, especially since Messiah is trending as a popular baby name with the Social Security Admin. rug Aug 2013 #2
This judge was so out of line. cbayer Aug 2013 #3
What bureaucratic crap to deal with after giving birth. rug Aug 2013 #4
Don't even get me started about the fight over not having cbayer Aug 2013 #5
I'd love to know the reasoning you were given as to why you had to do it. cleanhippie Aug 2013 #6
The judge should be removed from the bench. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #7
Ms Martin and Mr McCullough ended up in front of the judge, squabbling about whose last name struggle4progress Aug 2013 #8
I disagree that the judge's solution is fair. cbayer Aug 2013 #9
Personally, I myself prefer that solution with the order resolved by a coin flip but struggle4progress Aug 2013 #10
Surnames can be meaningful. cbayer Aug 2013 #12
The case isn't worth further attention IMO struggle4progress Aug 2013 #13
So the name, then, would be Messiah Martin-McCullough. eomer Feb 2014 #16
To start off with, the judge is factually wrong. okasha Aug 2013 #11
Geez, I'm glad he doesn't live in South America or Mexico. Evoman Aug 2013 #14
UPDATE: Judge fired. rug Feb 2014 #15
Glad she was fired. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #17
Here's the most recent link. rug Feb 2014 #18
I needed a little break from this room and DU but I am ok now. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #19
Glad to hear it. rug Feb 2014 #20
. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #21

Drale

(7,932 posts)
1. I would be surprised if this was not overturned by another judge
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:42 PM
Aug 2013

within 5 minutes of that judge looking at the case.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
2. I agree, especially since Messiah is trending as a popular baby name with the Social Security Admin.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:52 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/rankchange.html

I would also be surprised if the magistrate is not disciplined.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. This judge was so out of line.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:58 PM
Aug 2013

I was told by hospital personnel that I could not give my children a hyphenated last name.

I refused to sign the birth certificate and they relented.

Anyway, people should pretty much be able to name their children what they want, though I support the judge who told one set of parents they couldn't name their child Hitler.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
6. I'd love to know the reasoning you were given as to why you had to do it.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:19 PM
Aug 2013

I'm glad to hear that you prevailed.

struggle4progress

(118,378 posts)
8. Ms Martin and Mr McCullough ended up in front of the judge, squabbling about whose last name
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:04 PM
Aug 2013

their baby would use

The judge ordered the baby be given her last name Martin as first name and his last name McCullough as last name, so the baby would be called Martin McCullough

Problem solved! The kid's name includes both parents' last names, and the problem before the court goes into the circular file in the corner of the judge's office

Who cares if the judge's comments on changing the first name seem somewhat bullshizz? The whole frickin dispute is bullshizz!

The dispute, of course, could have been resolved equitably in all manner of ways, but all are equally undeserving of our attention: the judge's actual solution is completely fair

FFRF has no meaningful interest here, being unharmed in any way by the assignment of the name Martin McCullough to the child

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
9. I disagree that the judge's solution is fair.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:15 PM
Aug 2013

If you want your child to have your last name as their last name, using it as a first name does not resolve the problem.

The only fair resolution is to give the child a hyphenated last name.

struggle4progress

(118,378 posts)
10. Personally, I myself prefer that solution with the order resolved by a coin flip but
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:33 PM
Aug 2013

such cases aren't resolved by popular vote: they're resolved judicially

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
12. Surnames can be meaningful.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:15 PM
Aug 2013

In many cultures, names are routinely combined.

My kids have hyphenated last names and it's worked out well for them.

eomer

(3,845 posts)
16. So the name, then, would be Messiah Martin-McCullough.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:41 AM
Feb 2014

The initials would be MMM, which when dialed on a phone is 666. Just saying.

I know this because I've had to sign my name over the phone using the first 3 digits of my last name and those 3 digits for me are 666.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
11. To start off with, the judge is factually wrong.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:37 PM
Aug 2013

A good many Biblical persons are referred to as (a) messiah, including the pagan Cyrus of Persia. Choosing a name that would leave the kid with a nickname of "Messy," though, might have benefited from a little more thought.

Unless it's been changed, Texas has a law that does not permit a parent to give a child a name that will invite ridicule. This is perhaps the only lasting legacy of the late Governor Hogg, who called his children Ima, Ura and Hesa.

Evoman

(8,040 posts)
14. Geez, I'm glad he doesn't live in South America or Mexico.
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:41 AM
Aug 2013

The alarming number of Jesus' would blow his fucking mind. Or, being an ignorant fuckhead, he would probably think their name was haysoos.

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