Rush thinks Francis "sounds Marxist"

[47of74]

Our favorite right wing radio talking head had some words of wisdom regarding Evangelli Gaudium;

After a long set-up, during which Limbaugh says he thought he liked the new pope and says he’s previously considered becoming a Catholic, Limbaugh gets into his befuddlement with the pope’s denouncement of “unfettered capitalism.”

“If it weren’t for capitalism, I don’t know where the Catholic Church would be,” Limbaugh haltingly begins. “I gotta be very careful,” he then tells himself. “I have been numerous times to the Vatican. It wouldn’t exist without tons of money.”

“But regardless, what this is — somebody has either written this for him or gotten to him. This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope,” Limbaugh concludes.

If Rush thinks Francis is a Marxist, wait until he meets Jesus Christ.

[rug]

1. Idiot. There were 200 popes befor capitalism existed.

[47of74]

2. Not to mention the guy who started it all.

You know, the one whose words are all in red in the bible.

[nxylas]

5. And 254 before Marxism existed

I find it hilarious that all these commentators think Pope Francis is saying anything that the Catholic Church hasn't been saying for centuries.

[CBHagman]

3. Limbaugh's been "numerous times" to the Vatican?

Now that's a factoid I hadn't stumbled across. Ditto for the apparent consideration of conversion.

But then I guess nothing is predictable in this world, especially since Newt Gingrich became a Catholic.

[nxylas]

4. Interesting if he's telling the truth

Always a big if with Rush.

[IrishAyes]

6. Since Rush in many quarters would be known as Short Eyes,

he has no business setting himself above anyone else in the world.

Not to mention all his other junk. If he said Tuesday follows Monday, I'd check the calendar first before believing it.

[rustbeltvoice]

7. what Francis is saying

Hell-o Friends,

I have, or several years bookmarked Democratic Underground as a daily read. It has been a source of information and graphics. I have been wary in joining most things. I have Luddite tendencies, but oddly post internet journals, the chief being a voice from the rustbelt. I put one up on our Pope's newly released document, the Apostolic Exhortation, click.

I was home watching television when Jorge Mario Bergoglio, cardinal archbishop of Buenos Aires was presented to the world as Pope Francis. I was happy, and teared up, for i knew immediately. In Catholic Christianity there is a symbolism, and usually the choice of a papal name is bland in comparison to the possibility of fullness that it might contain. For from the crucifix at San Damiano, Jesus said, (depending on translation) "Francis, seest thou not that my house is in ruins; go and restore it for me." Anyone with sense knew he meant the man from Assisi, yet idiot commentators were unsure.

Catholicism is a broad faith and church. As James Joyce described the Catholic Church, in Finnegan's Wake, "Here comes everybody". We have always had the best and the worst, the loving apostles of Jesus and pharisaic hypocrites. Francis by gesture after gesture is showing himself saint.

In regards to the current document, which was released immediately before US Thanksgiving, and the shopping season that floods the local television newscasts, Paragraph 54 damns everything from Reaganomics, which was only a return to pre-1933 prevailing US economics, and which is Republican party dogma. Paragraph 56 damns every economic point by Ayn Rand, the Tea Party, the Koch brothers, Fox cable, etc.

The "success" of economic Reaganism has largely been unchallenged in the US. Things have become economically increasingly unjust, and increasingly so. I don't like the terms much of "left" and "right" (or liberal and conservative), but Reaganism eliminated the "left" or progressive wing of the Democratic party; and the "right" wing of the Republican party just became more and more extreme. Pope Francis, economically and therefore politically, is more "liberal" than over 95% or even 99% of the elected Democratic party. As radical (or extreme) as the disciples of Reagan have become, Francis is radical in the opposite fashion. Reagan was selling arms to Iran, in order to give money to people in Latin America to kill people who were saying things as Francis is saying here. That sounds quite harsh, but it was so. Any US Republican who is supposedly a Catholic shares nothing with the Francis in these regards. Further, the bishops have become a part of the republican party apparatus. Now, they have to choose either to follow the golden calf, that Francis mentions in paragraph 55, or the "Joy of the Gospel" which is the name of the letter "Evangelii Gaudium". Or as Jesus said choose your master—"God or Mammon".

[rug]

8. Welcome to DU.

[rustbeltvoice]

11. Thank you, Rug.

Yes, i would like to post here. So far the mechanics seem simple enough. Perhaps, i will be able to be proficient. Hmm, and these smilies look fun.

[lachrymosa]

9. It's not that simple.

Who is on the side of life from conception until natural death? Shouldn't the US Bishops align with those who would protect life in the womb? Is there a way to have economic justice and justice for all from conception until natural death?

[uppityperson]

10. Welcome to DU. Would you share your thoughts about abortion? Should it be legal? What restrictions

do you wish there were? Thank you.

[lachrymosa]

12. I'm in 100% agreement with the Pope and the Catholic Church regarding abortion.

[uppityperson]

16. And as far as legally? "Is there a way to have economic justice and justice" seems to indicate

you would like abortions to be illegal for all. Is this right?

[rug]

13. You can nourish life without threatening to put people in jail.

The Catholic Church abides many things it considers immoral, among them divorce, contraception and rapacious capitalism. Its efforts should not be on legislation to outlaw these things but on encouraging people to make what it considers the right choice.

Take secular Finland, for example. Look at the array of benefits it provides for expectant mothers and families:

http://www.kela.fi/web/en/pregnancy

You don't have to be Torquemada to be Catholic.

[The Wielding Truth]

15. Welcome to DU, rustbeltvoice. Nice post. I hope you do many more. I am impressed with Pope Francis.

[Kingofalldems]

17. Rush claims 'somebody got to him'.

It was Mathew, Mark, Luke and John.

[47of74]

18. Add to that the guy whose words are all in red.

[olegramps]

19. If he has a problem with Pope Fancis, what could he think of Jesus.

I can only imagine his reaction to Jesus' teaching that it would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich person to get to heaven. (As an aside, the Eye of the Needle that Jesus was referring to is not a sewing needle, but an gate in the wall surrounding Jerusalem that required a camel to stoop down in order to get through.)