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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:47 AM Dec 2012

Lighter-than-air material discovered

German material scientists from Kiel University and the Hamburg University of Technology have created the world’s lightest material, dubbed aerographite.

One cubic centimeter of aerographite weighs just 0.2 milligrams, which is four times lighter than the previous record holder, 5,000 times less dense than water, and six times lighter than air. Aerographite is so light that it is difficult to work with it in a normal lab. Any small movement in the lab can create winds that blow the material around.

“If you wanted to have one kilogram of this material it would be five cubic metres large. That means a one square metre base, which goes five metres up in the air like a house or tower – that would be one kilogram. You would need about 14 car boots if you wanted to transport this kilogram,” says researcher Matthias Mecklenburg.

Aerographite is a mesh of carbon tubes, each around 15nm in diameter, interwoven at the micro and nano-scale level. Because of its lightness and relatively large surface area, aerographite could enable the creation of much lighter lithium-ion batteries. It could be used for waterproof clothes, for lighter computers, for air and water filtration and also for protective shielding for satellites.


http://www.euronews.com/2012/11/01/lighter-than-air-material-discovered/







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Lighter-than-air material discovered (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Dec 2012 OP
The hoverboard is cute, but I'm imagining the size of the aerographite helmet... DCKit Dec 2012 #1
aerographite jacket and pants Ichingcarpenter Dec 2012 #3
Wedgie Alert With Those Pants n/t DallasNE Dec 2012 #5
The Vladimir Harkonnen'a suit Ichingcarpenter Dec 2012 #10
Is that similar in nature to this ? dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #2
Better article on Aerographite Ichingcarpenter Dec 2012 #15
Balloons that never lose their lift, and don't waste precious helium? Nice! n/t krispos42 Dec 2012 #4
So it's about the density of helium. tclambert Dec 2012 #6
This is good, because we're running out of helium LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2012 #14
I don't think you can substitute it for all uses of helium. tclambert Dec 2012 #31
I , for one, welcome our new nano-scale, carbon fiber tube overlords. nt MrScorpio Dec 2012 #7
Even if the hoverboard was as big as the kid using it, it would only reduce his weight by a sixth, Democratopia Dec 2012 #8
The images you post are bogus and not in article. That said, please define "air" Lionessa Dec 2012 #9
Oh, please Ichingcarpenter Dec 2012 #11
The ability to visualize in the abstract littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #25
A legit science article shouldn't be treated as a joke, imo. Lionessa Dec 2012 #29
Amazing material--opens up all kinds of sci-fi-like possibilities... Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #12
Rumor is reteachinwi Dec 2012 #13
Fascinating: One concern. caseymoz Dec 2012 #16
I suspect some one would choke on it Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #17
What about micro-fragments: dust? caseymoz Dec 2012 #19
The manufacturing is a concern, to be sure... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #21
Just asking, don't know . . . . no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #18
Air and helium are extremely different. nt caseymoz Dec 2012 #20
Thanks for the clarification. no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #22
My error: it is lighter than helium caseymoz Dec 2012 #23
Unless one evacuates the air (and keeps it out, somehow) it is not 'lighter than air' n2doc Dec 2012 #24
They don't evacuate anything. DCKit Dec 2012 #26
These aren't solid nanotubes n2doc Dec 2012 #27
"And nanotubes do allow gas into them" DCKit Dec 2012 #28
Wow, that's awesome! NealK Dec 2012 #30
 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
1. The hoverboard is cute, but I'm imagining the size of the aerographite helmet...
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:51 AM
Dec 2012

you'd have to wear to lift a person. Marvin the Martian?

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
2. Is that similar in nature to this ?
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:53 AM
Dec 2012

Graphene research gets £21.5m investment fund.

Graphene is made of sheets of carbon just one atom thick, and has outstanding mechanical strength and electronic properties.

Manchester University academics Andre Geim and Konstantin Novoselov won the 2010 Nobel Prize in Physics for demonstrating its properties.

It is hoped that the material will be used in a wide array of industrial and everyday applications.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20846282

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
15. Better article on Aerographite
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:56 AM
Dec 2012

Introduction
What do you get if you make a material from predominantly air entrapped within a very fine structure of porous carbon nanotubes?

You get one of the worlds lightest materials - Aerographite.

Scientists from Kiel University (KU) and Hamburg University of Technology (TUHH) have created the new material 'Aerographite' by carefully growing an interlinking chain of Carbon nanotubes within a sacrificial template made from Zinc Oxide. Creating a network of porous carbon tubes three-dimensionally interwoven at nano and micro level.

Weighing in at only 0.2 milligrams per cubic centimetre, Aerographite is officially the lightest material in the world - reported to be 75 times lighter than Styrofoam! Not only is this material extremely light, it is also extremely strong, based largely on the unique properties of Carbon Nanotubes, but also on the innovative structure of the material.

Properties of Aerographite
Aerographite is extremely lightweight but it also has a number of interesting properties. Including:

Electrically conductive
Highly ductile
Compressible
Non-transparent - Jet black appearance
Extremely strong
Is chemically stable


Much More at link

:http://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=6198

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
6. So it's about the density of helium.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:50 AM
Dec 2012

You'd still need a house-sized piece of it to lift a person, something like 900 times the size of the person.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
31. I don't think you can substitute it for all uses of helium.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:08 PM
Dec 2012

Liquid helium for cooling superconductors is probably not something this could do. It might make really interesting party balloons, though.

 

Democratopia

(552 posts)
8. Even if the hoverboard was as big as the kid using it, it would only reduce his weight by a sixth,
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:00 AM
Dec 2012

so a long way off from that as a new sport, but still the possibilities of this material are incredible.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
9. The images you post are bogus and not in article. That said, please define "air"
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:05 AM
Dec 2012

Are they talking about 'air' at sea level or at 30,000 ft. Air is a pretty broad category with many differing densities IIRC my aero-science correctly.

Nonetheless of my nit picking, pretty cool fabric, I would image it could be useful in some situations, though it sounds like they are having a hard time taming it into a useful product overall if any movement is going to send it off it's intended course.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
29. A legit science article shouldn't be treated as a joke, imo.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:03 PM
Dec 2012

It's hard enough these days to get folks to embrace REAL science without f'ing it up and trying to turn it into science fiction.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
19. What about micro-fragments: dust?
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:37 AM
Dec 2012

That's what dust is, basically. I've heard that carbon microtubes are rather carcinogenic. I hear about these great nanomaterials and I wonder how we can make any of them safely.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
21. The manufacturing is a concern, to be sure...
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:49 AM
Dec 2012

Bear in mind that the jury is still out on this, but the preponderance of evidence indicates that carbon nanotubes do pose a health hazard. If freely inhaled, the stuff could be the 21st-century equivalent of black lung experienced by miners. The good news is that we're out in front on this, and safety measures are in place that weren't dreamed of even thirty years ago. Australia has already issued safety guidance and practices.

If you're geeky enough, you can read it here.

no_hypocrisy

(46,095 posts)
18. Just asking, don't know . . . .
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:30 AM
Dec 2012

Is this the first "solid" that has been categorized as "lighter than air", meaning lighter than helium?

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
23. My error: it is lighter than helium
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:42 AM
Dec 2012


Note: Both oxygen and nitrogen are almost four times as heavy as helium and 15 times as heavy as hydrogen.

So, this material is 1/6th the weight of air, which would make it lighter than helium. Since carbon is three time the weight of helium, however, and this is made of carbon, the lower weight can only be accounted for by much lower volume. I won't attempt the math now (I'm in a hurry) but these carbon atoms must stick together as a solid at a density much lower than air. Simply incredible.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
24. Unless one evacuates the air (and keeps it out, somehow) it is not 'lighter than air'
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:41 PM
Dec 2012

In space, maybe then the issue of mass becomes important. But in an atmosphere, this stuff is mostly air, and will not float.
It might have many uses anyway, but Zeppelins aren/t going to be one of them

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
26. They don't evacuate anything.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:45 PM
Dec 2012

Air molecules are too large to bunch up inside the tubes (if they fit, at all). Even atoms are mostly empty space once you have electrons orbiting. Think of it as a filter (of sorts) for only the lightest of gas molecules.

I'm going to patent that idea.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
27. These aren't solid nanotubes
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:22 PM
Dec 2012

If they were, they would be the density of graphite. This material is mostly "empty space" wheich is filled with air molecules.
And nanotubes do allow gas into them

In fact, this is one of their uses, as gas sensors.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
28. "And nanotubes do allow gas into them"
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:33 PM
Dec 2012

Yes, but which gas molecules are small enough to get into them?

If CO2, CH4, NO2, N2, O2 etc... are too large to enter, then the interior is, by definition, lighter than air. Even the individual carbon atoms making up the "cage" are lighter than the gases they contain.

Think about it.

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