Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Judi Lynn

(160,682 posts)
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 06:54 PM Jan 2014

Hawking: Black Holes Do Exist. Now the Complicated Part

Hawking: Black Holes Do Exist. Now the Complicated Part

Steven Hawking introduced the idea of black holes to all of us, then seemed to take them back. But not so

By Michael D. Lemonick Jan. 27, 2014

Sometimes you just have to wonder whether Stephen Hawking is messing with us. The famously wheelchair-bound physicist earned his scientific reputation starting back in the 1970s with his theoretical ideas about black holes, those cosmic vacuum cleaners with gravity so powerful even light can’t escape, a mysterious singularity at their cores that approaches zero size and infinite density, and the power to pulverize anything that comes within reach. The whole idea might seem nutty, but astronomers have mounds of evidence by now, establishing that black holes really lurk at the cores of galaxies and eat stars for breakfast.

But now here comes Hawking with a new paper in which he declares boldly that “there are no black holes.” A reasonable person might conclude either that he thinks April Fool’s Day came early this year, or that Dr. Hawking has been spending a wee bit too much time enjoying the local ales.

The truth, however, is a lot less entertaining and a lot more obscure than that. To understand what Hawking actually meant, you have to wade into the treacherous waters of relativity and quantum theory—familiar territory for Stephen Hawking and his ilk, but a place where the rest of us risk drowning.

Suffice it to say that these two theories disagree on what happens at a black hole’s event horizon, the invisible threshold along the approach route to a black hole beyond which nothing can escape. Relatively says you actually wouldn’t notice that anything had changed if you crossed the line. It’s only if you tried to go backward that you’d find yourself swimming upstream against the black hole’s gravity—a hopeless task. (After a while, the black hole’s tidal forces would stretch you like a piece of chewing gum, and ultimately destroy you. You’d probably notice that.)

More:
Hawking: Black Holes Do Exist—But it's Complicated | TIME.com http://science.time.com/2014/01/27/black-holes-hawking/#ixzz2rdsdTpoJ

4 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Hawking: Black Holes Do Exist. Now the Complicated Part (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jan 2014 OP
Thank you for this. Wait Wut Jan 2014 #1
Another article, which has a bit more of the new claims Salviati Jan 2014 #2
All Black Hole articles have to mention "spaghettification" longship Jan 2014 #3
Bookmarked. silverweb Jan 2014 #4

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
1. Thank you for this.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 07:03 PM
Jan 2014

I was looking for a reason to take some ibuprofen.



After reading the entire article, I've come to the conclusion that I now know less about black holes, their existence and creation than I did 15 minutes ago. I'm actually going to bookmark this so I can read it again. I figure if I keep reading it, maybe I'll understand less than I did today.



All kidding aside, I am going to read it again and hopefully decipher some of the code that is hidden in the text.

Salviati

(6,009 posts)
2. Another article, which has a bit more of the new claims
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 07:58 PM
Jan 2014

and how they relate to his original idea about Hawking Radiation, and the newer ideas about a firewall at the event horizon and the complications that generated:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140127-black-hole-stephen-hawking-firewall-space-astronomy/

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. All Black Hole articles have to mention "spaghettification"
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jan 2014

Otherwise it's a worthless article.



Spaghettification, one of the coolest words in science. The Pastafarians are all over this.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
4. Bookmarked.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 10:55 PM
Jan 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]No chance for a "quick" read on this one. It'll have to sit bookmarked until I can give it proper attention.

Latest Discussions»Culture Forums»Science»Hawking: Black Holes Do E...