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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 06:17 AM Jul 2014

China plans super collider

For decades, Europe and the United States have led the way when it comes to high-energy particle colliders. But a proposal by China that is quietly gathering momentum has raised the possibility that the country could soon position itself at the forefront of particle physics.

Scientists at the Institute of High Energy Physics (IHEP) in Beijing, working with international collaborators, are planning to build a ‘Higgs factory’ by 2028 — a 52-kilometre underground ring that would smash together electrons and positrons. Collisions of these fundamental particles would allow the Higgs boson to be studied with greater precision than at the much smaller Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN, Europe’s particle-physics laboratory near Geneva, Switzerland.

Physicists say that the proposed US$3-billion machine is within technological grasp and is considered conservative in scope and cost. But China hopes that it would also be a stepping stone to a next-generation collider — a super proton–proton collider — in the same tunnel.


http://www.nature.com/news/china-plans-super-collider-1.15603

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China plans super collider (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 OP
Whoa! A good move by the Chinese. longship Jul 2014 #1
China Building Huge 500-Meter Radio Telescope Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #2
The US is losing the edge on big science. longship Jul 2014 #3
The picture Darthguy Jan 2015 #8
????? vdogg Jul 2014 #4
Cheap chinese materials Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #5
This one's disposable... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #6
The $3bn is for the tunnel and a lower-power electron-positron collider muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #7

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Whoa! A good move by the Chinese.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 06:40 AM
Jul 2014

And to think that the USA spent $2 billion to start building the SSC, and then spent another $2 billion to not build it.

Amazing, the short-sightedness of it all.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
2. China Building Huge 500-Meter Radio Telescope
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 06:54 AM
Jul 2014

The Five-hundred meter Aperture Spherical Telescope, known by the acronym FAST, is a radio telescope currently under construction in a remote area of southwest China's Guizhou province. It will be the world's largest and most sensitive radio telescope when completed by 2016. And this afternoon, the first of the main cable net, composed of 9,000 cables, will be installed at the facility.

It's the size of 30 football fields. The world's largest telescope stands in Dawodang, Pingtang County, a region featuring typical Karst depressions.



http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1309861










longship

(40,416 posts)
3. The US is losing the edge on big science.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 07:17 AM
Jul 2014

Meanwhile, climate change is a hoax! And so is evolution and the Big Bang!

Pitiful, utterly pitiful.

Darthguy

(1 post)
8. The picture
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 01:45 PM
Jan 2015

Ehm, I just wanted to say, that picture is false, it's from a video game called Battlefield 4 from a map called Rogue Transmition.
[link:http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Rogue_Transmission|

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
4. ?????
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 07:22 AM
Jul 2014

The LHC cost $16 billion. How is this, being twice the size of the LHC, costing $13 billion less? Something doesn't add up here.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
7. The $3bn is for the tunnel and a lower-power electron-positron collider
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:45 AM
Jul 2014

CERN's 27km tunnel also started with a lower-power electron-positron collider - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Electron%E2%80%93Positron_Collider . They then built the LHC in the same tunnel, which uses more massive protons (or lead nuclei, apparently). The LHC will still have larger collision energies than the $3bn Chinese machine - 14TeV compare to 240 GeV=0.24 TeV, according to the Nature article. If they go ahead with a proton collider, they might get up to 70 TeV - but that will cost more.

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