The black hole at the birth of the Universe

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The big bang poses a big question: if it was indeed the cataclysm that blasted our universe into existence 13.7 billion years ago, what sparked it?

Three Perimeter Institute researchers have a new idea about what might have come before the big bang. It's a bit perplexing, but it is grounded in sound mathematics and is it testable?

What we perceive as the big bang, they argue, could be the three-dimensional "mirage" of a collapsing star in a universe profoundly different than our own.

"Cosmology's greatest challenge is understanding the big bang itself," write Perimeter Institute Associate Faculty member Niayesh Afshordi, Affiliate Faculty member and University of Waterloo professor Robert Mann, and PhD student Razieh Pourhasan.
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140807145618.htm

[pinto]

1. Interesting short piece. Though I'm very naive in theoretical physics, it makes some sense.

In their proposed scenario, our universe was never inside the singularity; rather, it came into being outside an event horizon, protected from the singularity. It originated as -- and remains -- just one feature in the imploded wreck of a four-dimensional star.

A spin off, as it were. And possibly one of many.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

12. Maybe they mean a sixth dimensional star. We already have FIVE dimensions....

Length, width, depth, time and space.

I've wondered if velocity should be included as it effects the others.

[Trajan]

2. When I argue with theists about the "Birth of the Universe"

I have to remind all that the Big Bang event does not necessarily represent a 'creation' event, but is more likely an 'organizational' event, where pre-existing materials and/or energies are propagated by that event into the current form of the universe that we see today ...

The state of the universe prior to the BBE is unknown ... there is no reason to presume 'nothing' preceded the BBE ... 'Creation' may have never actually occurred if the material of the universe has always existed ...

Food for thought ....

[rock]

3. I do like your version much better

After all, "Bang! And Bob's your uncle", though concise, seems to be lacking in explanatory power!

[Rozlee]

6. Too many theists I know reject all aspects of the Big Bang and scientific models of the beginning of

the universe. They prefer the simplistic version of a benign magician creating it in an assembly fashion you'd find in connecting Lego blocks. Uncomplicated, childish and without any need to do anything more complex than spout poetry about it. That may sound harsh, but it's something I've noticed in many fundamentalists. I was reading that over half of Americans don't believe the Big Bang theory and that half believe in the creation story in Genesis. We're supposed to be the most advanced superpower in the world. But, we're woefully one that is lacking in scientific cred.

[Warpy]

4. The BBE has always seemed a little untidy to me

and I find this explanation more palatable, especially with the math to back it up.

"Turtles all the way down" doesn't sound quite so silly any more.

[kjones]

9. I just saw turtles all the way down

and thought "pancakes all the way up."

Mmm, pancakes.

But the infinity stack prevents me from eating with syrup
because it's still dripping its way down from the top. I assume it's somewhere
in the region of infinity-1 cakes.
Say, what happens if you tip over an infinitely tall stack of pancakes?


A: A big bang.


Now submitting my cosmological thesis "Grand Unification of Universal
Truths: The Pancake Theory of the Universe."

I'll take my PhD now. And pancakes, delicious pancakes.

[4lbs]

5. It has been theorized that, since there is a supermassive black hole at the center of every galaxy,

that such a supermassive black hole may each spark the creation of its own universe.

Therefore, it implies our universe is one of many millions, each one linked to the other through those supermassive black holes.

[SunSeeker]

14. Speaking of supermassive black hole...

[jimlup]

7. While this is interesting ...

It isn't by any means new.

I've been a follower of the inflationary cosmologies for some time now. In them, I would say that the multiverse interpretation is the dominate hypothesis.

[tclambert]

8. I thought this is what happens when a TARDIS blows up.

[sakabatou]

10. No, this is

[BadgerKid]

18. Or this

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[sakabatou]

20. Both completely valid

[HoosierCowboy]

11. Big Bang is just an observational

effect of being inside a black hole.

[Kablooie]

13. And it's amazing that all this happened only 5000 years ago.

And God said let there be a collapse of that 4 dimensional star over there into a black hole.
And God saw the collapse, that it was good; and God divided the 3 dimensional mirage from the event horizon.
And God called the mirage Universe, and the darkness he called Black Hole. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

And God said, "You getting all this written down? When I publish it it'll be the all-time best seller".
And Madge said, "Yeh. Got it. But it sure don't sound like no best seller to me".
And God made the heavens open and Madge evaporated into 11 dimensional space. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

[SunSeeker]

17. K & R

[WovenGems]

19. Why, oh why

Since E=MC2 is true it doesn't have to be a black hole from another dimension. It may be that the universe recycles itself every now and then.