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Related: About this forumAstronomers say a Neptune-sized planet lurks beyond Pluto
By Eric Hand
Jan. 20, 2016
The solar system appears to have a new ninth planet. Today, two scientists announced evidence that a body nearly the size of Neptunebut as yet unseenorbits the sun every 15,000 years. During the solar systems infancy 4.5 billion years ago, they say, the giant planet was knocked out of the planet-forming region near the sun. Slowed down by gas, the planet settled into a distant elliptical orbit, where it still lurks today.
The claim is the strongest yet in the centuries-long search for a Planet X beyond Neptune. The quest has been plagued by far-fetched claims and even outright quackery. But the new evidence comes from a pair of respected planetary scientists, Konstantin Batygin and Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena, who prepared for the inevitable skepticism with detailed analyses of the orbits of other distant objects and months of computer simulations. If you say, We have evidence for Planet X, almost any astronomer will say, This again? These guys are clearly crazy. I would, too, Brown says. Why is this different? This is different because this time were right.
Outside scientists say their calculations stack up and express a mixture of caution and excitement about the result. I could not imagine a bigger deal ifand of course thats a boldface ifif it turns out to be right, says Gregory Laughlin, a planetary scientist at the University of California (UC), Santa Cruz. Whats thrilling about it is [the planet] is detectable.
Batygin and Brown inferred its presence from the peculiar clustering of six previously known objects that orbit beyond Neptune. They say theres only a 0.007% chance, or about one in 15,000, that the clustering could be a coincidence. Instead, they say, a planet with the mass of 10 Earths has shepherded the six objects into their strange elliptical orbits, tilted out of the plane of the solar system.
more
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/feature-astronomers-say-neptune-sized-planet-lurks-unseen-solar-system
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)And now there might be scientific evidence of it? Hmm.. Very interesting.
Baitball Blogger
(46,775 posts)saturnsring
(1,832 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Interesting......
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... so forgive me if this was already expressed in the article, but I thought there was evidence, or speculation, that there was a brown dwarf star lurking beyond Neptune.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Which is what, 4 times larger than Earth?
So its probably not that.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)As in it's a star (well, in astronomy, a brown dwarf is star that hasn't initiated a full nuclear reaction). So, it doesn't shine brightly like other stars.
That was my inquiry.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... in addition to this planet they found, there is speculation that there is a brown dwarf. I only wondered if the article touched on that aspect. I guess I even though I'm in a meeting, I should just read the article, since I spent a lot of time explaining myself.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I thought you were referring to the new planet they found. A brown dwarf also would be much much larger, 13 size Jupiter's mass.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I'm trying to pay attention to this meeting and post at the same time.
My apologies.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I misread your first post as well
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Having another planet and a brown dwarf star would be super cool!!!
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Or the brown dwarf star would have to be a fully functional star in order to make a 2 star system?
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Usually with a neutron or black hole.
brush
(53,960 posts)It was once thought to be what was influencing the orbits of the small, distant objects that were clustered out on the edge of the solar system but that is no longer believed.
Two pairs of astronomers, the second pair following up and working from the data gathered by the first, have concluded that there is a good chance that it is a large planet, not a dwarf star that is the cause of the odd orbits of the small objects out there on the edge of our solar system.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I'm going to check out the article now that I have time.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)Just for reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf
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The defining differences between a very low-mass brown dwarf and a gas giant (~13 MJ) are debated.[4] One school of thought is based on formation; the other, on the physics of the interior.[4] Part of the debate concerns whether "brown dwarfs" must, by definition, have experienced fusion at some point in their history.
Stars are categorized by spectral class, with brown dwarfs being designated as types M, L, T, and Y.[4][5] Despite their name, brown dwarfs are of different colors.[4] Many brown dwarfs would likely appear magenta to the human eye,[4][6] or possibly orange/red.[7] Brown dwarfs are not very luminous at visible wavelengths.
more at link
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/25apr_browndwarf/
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Brown dwarfs start their lives like stars, as collapsing balls of gas, but they lack the mass to burn nuclear fuel and radiate starlight. The newfound coldest brown dwarf is named WISE J085510.83-071442.5. It has a chilly temperature between minus 54 and 9 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 48 to minus 13 degrees Celsius). Previous record holders for coldest brown dwarfs, also found by WISE and Spitzer, were about room temperature.
more at link
Hopefully Planet X will be visible and found soon.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)A brown dwarf has more mass than Jupiter. This planet is much smaller than Jupiter.
Also, a brown dwarf is not undetectible. The little fusion that does occur means they are hot compared to their surroundings.
Takket
(21,664 posts)Was going to post this but saw this thread already started. Interesting stuff! We'll see if astronomers can actually find this thing now.
http://time.com/4184942/planet-9-new-pluto-solar-system/
"The discovery of the world that Brown and Batygin refer to in The Astronomical Journal simply as Planet 9 began in 2003, with the discovery of a far more modest object named Sedna. A dwarf planet even smaller than Pluto, Sedna is a Kuiper Belt object (KBO), like Pluto one of a vast band of icy, rocky objects that surround the solar system beyond the orbit of Neptune. Brown was part of the team that found Sedna too, and if anything made the new world remarkable, it was its extreme distance from the sunone that has it completing a single orbit in 11,400 years, compared to Plutos 248."
WillyT
(72,631 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)And look at all who were laughing at the planet X conspiracy theory (me included lol, since I didn't believe in it)
Goes to show you how little we know about what is around us.
Takket
(21,664 posts)I don't think this validates the "planet X" crowd. I read those conspiracies myself years ago and they were mostly quackery about a huge planet slicing through the inner solar system and wreaking havoc, which is nonsense, because our solar system has been stable for many millions upon millions if not billions of years. if those rouge planet came careening through the inner solar system every few thousand years, we wouldn't be here talking about it.
And no one has ever said definitively that the 8 planets + pluto are all that's out there. just that they are all we KNOW about it (has been proven scientifically by observation to exist). I certainly don't think the possibility (which is all it is right now) that this planet exists in any way validates the pseudoscience based doomsday prophecies of the "Planet X" crowd, any more than, for example, finding a shipwreck proves the Noah built an ark.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)My point was, we are proven that we really don't know what really exists even in our own solar system.
I think I will keep an open mind about many things in the future when it comes to astronomy and physics.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Beartracks
(12,822 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:41 PM - Edit history (1)
That is, their existence was inferred by using, for example, calculus to determine their mass and orbits, even before we could actually eyeball them directly.
Oh, and a second thought: rouge planets are reddish-colored, right? Not sure about the ROGUE ones, though.
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MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)Uranus is naked eye and it was discovered by Herschel with a telescope.
Neptune was inferred based on orbit disruption.
A few other "planets" were inferred based on orbit disruption but incorrectly - initially they thought there was another gas giant relatively near Neptune and Uranus, but were wrong. That's why there is some confusion about Pluto - it was viewed by luck while looking for a massive planet, but the inference about a 5th gas giant was incorrect.
Frisco Hillboy
(16 posts)Neptune is not visible to the naked eye.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The orbit of Neptune should be about a half an inch in diameter.
At that scale the nearest star (Proxima Centauri) would be about 187 feet away. That would be at about the 62 yard line of a football field.
Frisco Hillboy
(16 posts)cstanleytech
(26,345 posts)from the solar system which makes me wonder if this could be said planet and that it was not expelled but rather its orbit was just greatly altered.