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Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:01 PM Mar 2016

Here’s the Most Exciting Technology You’ll Ever Encounter

By Christopher Mims

This is the story of the most exciting technology you’re ever likely to encounter, which could transform how we interact with computers in the 21st century. That is a big claim. But I’ll bet that five, 10, 20 years from now, I’ll be able to point to this column and say, “I told you so.” I’m talking about augmented reality, or AR. It’s often misunderstood or mischaracterized, and has been overshadowed by its cousin, virtual reality. Moreover, the best-known example of AR, Google Glass, has largely been a failure so far.

To understand AR, imagine a display that sits, not on your desk or in your hand, but in front of your eyes. Today, these displays are unwieldy, ranging from bulkier versions of safety glasses to something akin to a bicycle helmet. They have other limitations, such as a narrow field of view, relatively poor resolution and problems with lag.

But many technologists believe that within five years, these displays will be able to project a virtual screen on every surface.

Imagine looking at your wrist and seeing a smartwatch—only you’re not wearing a watch. Imagine looking at your hand and seeing a smartphone or a tablet, only you’re not carrying one. Imagine looking at a wall and, with a gesture, transforming it into a giant display—your entire workspace, with you wherever you go. Imagine a world without screens, save the one we bring with us. Nearly every tech giant is working on AR.. and dozens of startups are staking claims

(snip)

Getting there won’t be easy because the technical challenges of AR are, if anything, greater than VR. Really good AR requires an amount of computing power and sensors equivalent to the equipment in a self-driving car, engineers say.

But such computing power already can be squeezed into a smartphone. Many new phones are more powerful than the computer in the car that won the 2005 Darpa grand challenge, in which an autonomous vehicle conquered 142 miles of trackless Mojave Desert.

(snip)

Perhaps AR’s biggest hurdle will be human. As we saw with Google Glass, wearing a computer on your face can provoke visceral reactions stemming from our fears of surveillance and sacrificing our humanity to the machines. The most likely reason my prediction may fail is that people won’t want to wear AR gear except when they have to for work.

AR is sneaking up on us because, unlike the smartphone, its first customers and applications are for businesses. Few consumers have seen an AR system, and fewer still have tried several. But I have, and I’m willing to stake my reputation on this: AR is the future, the dominant way we will interact with computers and the Internet.

Write to Christopher Mims at christopher.mims@wsj.com

http://www.wsj.com/articles/heres-the-most-exciting-technology-youll-ever-encounter-1457928061

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Here’s the Most Exciting Technology You’ll Ever Encounter (Original Post) question everything Mar 2016 OP
Is this like the holographic images as seen in Star Trek Next Generation? nt JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #1
Should have added a note that while I, myslef do not understand it question everything Mar 2016 #2
never appologize for posting cool stuffz! :-) n/t w0nderer Mar 2016 #5
a simple ar example would for instance be glasses w0nderer Mar 2016 #3
Got it, thanks, very interesting. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #4
what level of help? w0nderer Mar 2016 #7
I told my daughter I refuse to die until I get my personal robot. :) JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #9
can't more than speculate and it'd actually be easier with a 2 part solution w0nderer Mar 2016 #10
Absolutely fascinating. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #13
Well now we are a little bit on a different territory (not that i mind) w0nderer Mar 2016 #14
Sorry, I don't even know enough about this topic to know that I wandered into different territory. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #15
it's fine i love arguing or discussing :-) w0nderer Mar 2016 #16
debate and discussion is good JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #19
i'm close to what is called a cyber anarchist w0nderer Mar 2016 #21
Well I grew up without the internet JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #22
Funny you should mention it ...we just watched El Machina last night. Brother_Love Mar 2016 #26
some fast links a year or 2 back just so you can see what is being done w0nderer Mar 2016 #17
Oh thank you so much. Home robots information. Bingo. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #20
Very interesting. Didn't know they all existed, but NO on the rockaboo, the baby seat JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #23
I understand. Self and partner in tech biz for over 30 years. We just can't imagine cyberpj Mar 2016 #6
i might be born in the "info age" my first puter was pet2001 in 1980 followed by c64 w0nderer Mar 2016 #8
And so I also see, then, you are old enough to know if the military or corporate worlds can abuse it cyberpj Mar 2016 #11
Old enough or cynical enough w0nderer Mar 2016 #12
Heh ...I just sold my old 3 Atari 800xl's stuffed in a box with over 100 floppys. Brother_Love Mar 2016 #25
110 v 60 hz ntsc tho right? w0nderer Mar 2016 #32
ntsc ...got $400 on ebay Brother_Love Mar 2016 #33
rather like a HUD, but more seamless and ubiquitous phantom power Mar 2016 #18
To project ads on every item you see. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #24
Just What This Citizen Does Not Need - More Ways To Be Slaved To Technology cantbeserious Mar 2016 #27
Ultimately, it will depend on if usefulness exceeds the novelty. arcane1 Mar 2016 #28
Plus, all the Glass-holes who wore it. nt longship Mar 2016 #30
YES! Also hoping for an implated neural link... Raster Mar 2016 #29
Myself, I am still waiting for my Orgasmatron! longship Mar 2016 #31

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(47,487 posts)
2. Should have added a note that while I, myslef do not understand it
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

exactly, I was hoping that real techies here would find it of interest.

Sorry.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
3. a simple ar example would for instance be glasses
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:21 PM
Mar 2016

so you walk down the street and the glasses superimpose icons on businesses as you pass them, try to focus on the icons and they enlarge and you can dial or email them

and that's a super simple example
in fact there are a few example out now for smart phones but one looks silly walking around with a smart phone held up the whole time

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
7. what level of help?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:49 PM
Mar 2016

AI won't be likely for a while but helping robots have been around for pretty long and especially now with
single board small computers like raspberry pi, banana board and beagle bone as well as the whole arduino revolution

many things should be possible

then again a lot aren't

something to clean, get the mail from the mail box, mow the lawn and so on
feasable

something to make up gourmet recipes and cook them...not

something to cook from a pre-established recipe...maybe possible (i read about olfactory and gastronomi (taste) sensors in prototype but haven't seen more since)

JFKDem62

(383 posts)
9. I told my daughter I refuse to die until I get my personal robot. :)
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:09 PM
Mar 2016

I'll settle for the model you describe: cleaning, simple cooking, mowing lawn.
It has to do laundry and make the beds too.

If such a creature can be invented, I will never go to a nursing home.

What would the robot look like, would it talk, can you tell me more about it?


w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
10. can't more than speculate and it'd actually be easier with a 2 part solution
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:22 PM
Mar 2016

cleaning ( use a rhoomba )

plus dusting...mark valuables or similar with nfc (near field communication) so it hits them with a mild dusting compressed air as opposed to duster

windows..same but a marker strip around it


how would that look? probably r2d2/garbage can with 'arms' (simplest solution)

simple cooking probably simpler to automate kitchen/fridge/stove/freezer/pantry (grocery ordering as well to an inventory system)
then use the main unit as a 'slave arms' ..pick pan location 1, bring to stove, add heat, add butter, add egg, flip egg (or not)

for instance the arms of the main unit would have to have a scale in it
pick up cup, weigh it, add water, subtract weight of cup, amount of water established, pick up second cup, weigh second cup, fill with pancake mix, establish difference, mix the two in a bowl, max x stirrings, grab pan, heat to (eye runs IR thermometer) XXX degrees, add fat (by weight) so on

mowing..fully automated lawnmower no interaction with main unit
http://www.husqvarna.com/au/products/robotic-lawn-mowers/ (couldn't find the US site fast)

laundry ...as long as you thrown laundry into a bin...grab bin when full and throw sort by color (darkness) into machine..

making beds might be harder ..especially if you want quarter bouncers :-p

pure speculation based on what i've seen happening last years

most likely wouldn't look like androids (humans) more like industrial production lines

voice/talking today is easy, smartphone voice control (not perfect) but ...still


we now live in the future :-/ (good and bad)

JFKDem62

(383 posts)
13. Absolutely fascinating.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:32 PM
Mar 2016

So what we would see initially is more of a collection of specialized parts designed for certain functions.
And a fairly utilitarian cosmetic design.

We are no where near the Data Android it sounds like.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
14. Well now we are a little bit on a different territory (not that i mind)
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

i'd guesstimate at a combination: mower (own application) vacuum (own application) cook (mix) then have a self propelled unit to fill in the gaps

Gotta remember that of all the animals on the planet (no offense calling humans animals)

we are one of the 'few' general purpose animals that use tools and the environment to our advantage and it's not an easy role to fill

we are the only animal that with a stone and another stone (flint) could make a knife, cut a stick, add the knife to the stick to make an ax, use the axe with pyrite to make fire, use the fire to harden a spear, communicate with others what we did, then use group communication to kill an elk..so on

Data android would be a design like that
so it would have a memory density similar to a human memory (doubt that's possible today)

all 5 senses (hearing, vision, touch, smell, taste)
also remember for instance touch isn't 1 sense
hold hand over a hot pan...feel the heat thermocouple sensor
hold hand over water...feel the moisture moisture sensor?
push against something...feel resistance pressure sensor (also add visual sensor to add estimated density of object and estimated power to move at speed)
finger against low friction device (knife) go ouch...cut damage to system!
and so on

for hearing..volume, frequency, location 360x360 (sphere) and content of message also if recognized (ie..is this master or stranger)

same for vision

taste and smell are further behind from what i can find

we aren't that far yet but we are far beyond the simple bots of just 10 years ago

JFKDem62

(383 posts)
15. Sorry, I don't even know enough about this topic to know that I wandered into different territory.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

But yes, I certainly see your point, very interesting.

Human animals are extremely complex creatures in terms of design and function;
it is going to be very hard to replicate even a very basic model.

Much easier to stick with machines that can function in a single purpose way.

If you saw El Machina, didn't the inventor of the AI robots, use Google download as a way
to over come the memory density issue?

Sorry to take up your time with questions and discussion.
Feel free to put me on ignore!

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
16. it's fine i love arguing or discussing :-)
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 04:31 PM
Mar 2016

i even love arguing points that are opposite to mine (devils advocate)
must be that one jesuit i had in school early :-p

Didn't see El Machina

however i see a problem with it (and i actually apply this to my computers/smartphone/tablet)

i want my computer to know recipe for meatloaf...download NOW and save

it may not (later) be available
or you may not have connection

imagine (random error messages 'fake'..)
error x553 bed not made because internet connection to template not available
error x2102 eggs not cooked properly (sloppy raw eggs on plate) due to lack of internet connection for look up of cooking instructions (don't get me wrong, i'll eat raw eggs with beef (organic) tartar) but that's my limit

error y67343 toilet backflushing due to lack of pressure information from online resource

data that is crucial should be on local

example...since you are on DU i'm assuming you have a computer
i'm also assuming it has a webbrowser (chrome, firefox, netscape, internet exploder, apple ...)
also a text editor and probably some 'office ware' on it

now imagine none of that worked unless you had a working connection?

can't edit a document or print it unless you are actually 100% online

great in a theoretical environment where online 100% works (and hard drives never fail and hardware never gives up)
and in the real world???

now imagine your dinner and bed depends on it?

JFKDem62

(383 posts)
19. debate and discussion is good
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

I love the jesuits, the intelligentsia of the church.
So neat to see Pope Francis, a jesuit, in the big seat.

For the love of heaven, you have not see El Machina???
You should watch it, about AI and very interesting from that perspective,
but also a great movie.

I hear you, I had not thought about losing connectivity.
But my iPhone rarely loses its connections, it is always connected,
wouldn't that be the case with my robot? And if my robot stays mostly in my home,
the disconnect would not be that common. I suppose I could not travel with her, or it.
Not sure what to call her.

In the movie, the inventor of the AIs, is a Steve Jobs type figure.
Eccentric, rich beyond belief, he is the inventor of a Google like search engine.
The largest and most well known search engine.
And perhaps I didn't understand what was said, but I thought he said
that instead of AI software he only needed hardware. The software was the search engine.
All of the wisdom of the entire planet accessible to each AI every second.

But yes, the internet goes down, your robot is dead in the water.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
21. i'm close to what is called a cyber anarchist
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

ie....i want data at my fingers even if net goes down
i want network even if internet goes down


you have convinced me..i'll watch el machina!

right ..now your devices rarely loose connection
now imagine gov locking down network!

JFKDem62

(383 posts)
22. Well I grew up without the internet
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 07:35 PM
Mar 2016

so I can live without it, for a short period of time that is. Sad to say.
If it goes down you can clean out a closet, play monopoly, read a book, or play solitaire.
Like we did in the old days.

Yes if you watch El Machina, you might pay attention to the part where the inventor
talks about the AI software, maybe I misunderstood what he meant. I kind of blitzed out
at the technical points as I was wrapped up in the rest of the story.

I don't think the public is going to be happy with the govt locking down grandma's home
service robot. That will not happen, can you imagine the uproar? Kind of like shutting down
Candy Crush.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
17. some fast links a year or 2 back just so you can see what is being done
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 04:44 PM
Mar 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_robot
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/garden/10-home-robots-to-lighten-your-domestic-chores.html

i'll put you on ignore when you annoy me and so far you aren't close
we are having a respectful exchange of ideas rare enough in these times

JFKDem62

(383 posts)
20. Oh thank you so much. Home robots information. Bingo.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 07:12 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe i can place an order.

Yes I agree, I am enjoying this discussion about robots, I have wanted one for so long.
Ever since I was a child reading Asimov and Heinlein.

Oh yes indeed, makes a very nice change from the primary brouhaha.

JFKDem62

(383 posts)
23. Very interesting. Didn't know they all existed, but NO on the rockaboo, the baby seat
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 07:41 PM
Mar 2016

which "falls faster than gravity". Also need to know if baby sitter robot has signed Asimov's Three Rules of Robotics.
Yikes.

The water sprinkler bot looks promising.

 

cyberpj

(10,794 posts)
6. I understand. Self and partner in tech biz for over 30 years. We just can't imagine
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:46 PM
Mar 2016

wanting any such thing; more distractions, demands, offers, greetings, advertising, whatever piped into eyes and brain at all times.

It's too much I tell ya'.
It's ALL TOO MUCH!!

That said,
I can see how it would appear to those born and reared via the info age.

Just not me.
Not anymore.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
8. i might be born in the "info age" my first puter was pet2001 in 1980 followed by c64
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:54 PM
Mar 2016

both as a kid ..so i dunno...how ever i've worked largely tech ever since

however i see dangers too
feed subliminal data for instance

aka 'hack the wetware'
something advertising companies have been doing for more than the last 30


 

cyberpj

(10,794 posts)
11. And so I also see, then, you are old enough to know if the military or corporate worlds can abuse it
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:22 PM
Mar 2016

or even use it for suspect purposes, it shall be done.

Not sure info age is what we all thought it would be in the beginning but it's been interesting watching it grow and change.

Me.

I'm ready for a nice comfy bunker cottage.
(It's funny but it's not.)

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
12. Old enough or cynical enough
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016

One of my first online friends (this was before 'internetz' hit big) was a Russian/Soviet sysadmin

he'd run around with (to start with 2 amiga 2k's) later 4x 386dx33mhz 's
converted to handle pure spike cleaned 12v from the car..in his skoda (or moskovitch ...can't remember)

anyway he'd download data from the west and then run a bbs at alternative phone numbers to spread it in USSR

that taught me a LOT to hear his stories

it's one reason i have the equiv of 10 solar powered raspberries, ready for encrypted mesh with 'modern' bbs soft on them and 'resistance' ware on them

encryption-books-libreoffice-gimp-scribus and so on anything needed to make a 'resistance propaganda post' or a dissemination point or both

i'm not the only one....i know at least 12 people in my area with same setup
and in other areas as well (more)

i'm ok with using tech against the powers
i grew up partially with 'internet is cowboy west...defend self or get shot'
not like today when internet is 'safe'

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
32. 110 v 60 hz ntsc tho right?
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016

yeah be a pain to activate..my collection is pal :/
otherwise i'd go...why???!?!?!?!!!!!

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. Ultimately, it will depend on if usefulness exceeds the novelty.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:29 PM
Mar 2016

The biggest problem with Google Glass was its relative uselessness.

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