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LAGC

(5,330 posts)
Mon May 27, 2013, 06:44 PM May 2013

Good Lord! I Just Visited the Creation(ism) "Museum" in Kentucky (PIC HEAVY!)

Wowza. So I just flew out here to Indianapolis for a few days to check out the campus of IUPUI (Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis) to see if I might want to transfer after I graduate with my A.S. degree from my community college next year -- they have a pretty decent neuroscience program from what it looks like, so I'm just going to check the campus out, meet with some advisers, talk to some alumni, etc.

But, of course, today being Memorial Day, everything's closed, so I had to figure out what to do with myself this fine Monday afternoon. On my way from the airport to the nearby hotel yesterday one of those changing electronic freeway bill-boards caught my eye: "Creation Museum." It didn't occur to me until this morning to actually Google it and find out how close it was to here (only a 2-hour drive) so with nothing better to do, I said: "What the hell? I've got to see this for myself."



When I arrived at the compound (yes, it was gated with a tall, thick metal perimeter fence, presumably to keep vandals out) I was greeted by a visible security presence, with guards dressed complete in state trooper hat and everything. (No weapons at least!) That one was just directing traffic, but there were more inside to make sure you minded your p's and q's.



You may have read on PZ Myers' blog about what happens when you attempt to question the "sanctioned" narrative -- you quickly get shown the door. They have one particular point-of-view to present, and they are NOT open to discussion.



After grabbing a quick bite to eat in Noah's Cafe (tried their "Eden Wrap", their only vegetarian option -- basically a salad wrapped in a tortilla, with a bland hummus spread) I declined to get my picture taken against one of those green back-drops that they later super-imposed dinosaurs around you (remember, dinosaurs lived along-side men, don't ya know?)





Inside the main hall was a bunch of science fail. On the one hand, they try to make the claim that the wide variety of life on Earth is impossible to have come from any single ancestor (therefore God must have done it), yet on the other hand (like with those finches), they point out how much such diversity there is still within the same species, how they can all inter-breed, therefore (you guessed it) -- God must have done it.





More science fail:





It really is amazing the kinds of contortions of logic, the hoops they jump through to try to sell their idea of a Young Earth. They honestly believe that if you don't take Genesis literally, if the Earth really isn't 6000 years old, then that means the entire Bible is suspect. Of course, they are right (about the entire Bible being suspect), but instead of adapting their views in light of overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary, they've decided to double-down on the Young Earth B.S. and try to twist the evidence to fit their carefully crafted narrative.

Oh, and they are REALLY obsessed with dinosaurs/monster-legends:





That came out kind of blurry, that's supposed to be Nessie in the North Atlantic there...



The only thing missing is Jesus riding a dinosaur!







They really don't like that Templeton dude either.

Turns out I just missed the "featured guest speaker" who was giving a talk titled "Is Evolution Compatible with Christianity?" -- three guesses what the answer to that one is.



At the end of the tour, I left feeling kind of sad, but hopeful. Sad because of so much ignorance being parlayed as fact to the uneducated masses -- but hopeful, because if their focus on biology inspires even a few kids to become fascinated by it so much to pursue it in college, they will have their bubbles burst in due time. When the sheer amount of evidence for evolution becomes apparent, as it does in even sophomore-level Biology courses, not only will the myth of Young Earth Creationism be destroyed, but likely their entire faith along with it.

I really can't help but think, just like the Westboro idiots, they do more to damage to Christianity's brand than they do to promote it. Because by unwittingly planting that seed, by inspiring kids to become interested in science and the amazing mysteries of life, they are in fact digging their own grave. Because curiosity will only lead to more questions, and down that path are different answers, answers not found in their precious, Holy Bible.

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Good Lord! I Just Visited the Creation(ism) "Museum" in Kentucky (PIC HEAVY!) (Original Post) LAGC May 2013 OP
Wow, I can't believe you really did it! Curmudgeoness May 2013 #1
oboy...do I have questions. dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #2
Carnivory is animals eating each other skepticscott May 2013 #3
Thanks god for Eve... awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #44
Answers. LAGC May 2013 #4
They say the museum is really fun on mobile home meth and Red Bull. alfredo May 2013 #20
Thanks for the pics! Creepy place. immoderate May 2013 #5
Here ya go michigandem58 May 2013 #6
Thanks for this! Awesome! JBoy May 2013 #7
Too bad it's kind of expensive; I'd love to go abq e streeter May 2013 #8
No pics of Jesus riding dinosaurs? ErikJ May 2013 #9
1) What kinda mileage can you get on a dinosaur? tblue May 2013 #28
Perhaps you should do a review for TripAdvisor and No Vested Interest May 2013 #10
That part of Kentucky is redneck heaven, Creation Museum, NASCAR track, and strip clubs. alfredo May 2013 #22
You may know better than I- No Vested Interest May 2013 #37
You are close to south east Indiana, that is your cross to bear. alfredo May 2013 #38
LOL. No Vested Interest May 2013 #39
There's not much else there. alfredo May 2013 #40
"...tried their "Eden Wrap"..." Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #11
Gak...almost choked! bvar22 May 2013 #16
What do they call the hot dogs? alfredo May 2013 #23
Soft. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #26
Now that Adam knows daddy is watching, I guess it is a distraction. alfredo May 2013 #30
Hay I've been there! limpyhobbler May 2013 #12
How many brownies did you eat beforehand? alfredo May 2013 #24
Nice work! I noticed the sign says it's an outreach of "Answers in Genesis". nolabear May 2013 #13
Wow that is some serious delusion there. yourout May 2013 #14
I suppose rolling on the floor trixicopper May 2013 #15
God loves variety.... LOL MNBrewer May 2013 #17
"God LOVES Variety!" bvar22 May 2013 #18
....and anybody who asks questions! Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel May 2013 #25
$40 million sulphurdunn May 2013 #19
Well, I think this will trivialize their point of view EC May 2013 #21
It's like paying to watch the 700 Club recorded live! 7wo7rees May 2013 #27
I'd get myself kicked out of there. Apophis May 2013 #29
Dumb Squared colsohlibgal May 2013 #31
I'd loose brain cells if I went in. sakabatou May 2013 #32
And lose even more cuz you'd need a whole bottle o' sumthin' pink-o Jun 2013 #46
And nearly 50% of Americans believe this imbecillica. Kablooie May 2013 #33
And God created every kind of bird, even the Finch kind... defacto7 May 2013 #34
You hit the nail on the head, but you didn't quite drive it home.... A HERETIC I AM May 2013 #35
I live about 35 miles... rexcat May 2013 #36
I see Beowulf is listed as one of the monsters. Both he and Grendl are going to be tiffed. n/t dimbear May 2013 #41
never forget Loup Garou May 2013 #42
I actually felt my IQ drop... awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #43
Holy shit. progressoid Jun 2013 #45
You. Gave. Them. MONEY. 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2013 #47

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
1. Wow, I can't believe you really did it!
Mon May 27, 2013, 07:00 PM
May 2013

But you did! I had an opportunity to go once, and I turned it down. I was curious, but not enough to want to give them a penny to get in. But I have often thought I should have done it, just to see how far they went.

Thanks for being the one to satisfy my curiosity.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
2. oboy...do I have questions.
Mon May 27, 2013, 07:16 PM
May 2013

First...how much does it cost to get in?

2nd...what the hell is "carnivory"???

Were there a lot of attendees?

Interesting that a visitor's first greeting is threats of illegal inspection of your car.

Thank you for attending and sharing with us..
did you have urge for a shower afterwards?

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
3. Carnivory is animals eating each other
Mon May 27, 2013, 07:26 PM
May 2013

In the good old days in the Garden of Eden, before Eve fucked everything up, lions apparently laid down with lambs, and everyone just had wedge salad for lunch (no bacon in the dressing, of course). It wasn't until sin came along that Simba (and humans) found out how good Bambi and Thumper taste.

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
4. Answers.
Mon May 27, 2013, 07:31 PM
May 2013

1) How much does it cost to get in?

Adult (13-59 yrs): $29.95**
Senior (60 yrs & up): $23.95
Children (5-12 yrs): $15.95
Children (under 5 yrs.): FREE

** Adults receive a $5 discount on Tuesdays and Wednesdays (must be their slow days)

2) What the hell is "carnivory?"

I think they mean carnivorous animals (meat-eaters) -- supposedly we were all meant to be herbivores/vegetarians until man (woman) sinned. After that it was animal-eat-animal.

3) Were there a lot of attendees?

Quite a few. The parking lot was near-full as far as I could tell, but I saw a (fire inspector) sign saying maximum capacity of the building was over 4000(!) people.

4) Did you have urge for a shower afterwards?

First thing I did once I got back to the hotel.

 

michigandem58

(1,044 posts)
6. Here ya go
Mon May 27, 2013, 08:17 PM
May 2013
Welcome and Prepare to Believe

The state-of-the-art 70,000 square foot museum brings the pages of the Bible to life, casting its characters and animals in dynamic form and placing them in familiar settings. Adam and Eve live in the Garden of Eden. Children play and dinosaurs roam near Eden’s Rivers. The serpent coils cunningly in the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Majestic murals, great masterpieces brimming with pulsating colors and details, provide a backdrop for many of the settings.

http://creationmuseum.org/

JBoy

(8,021 posts)
7. Thanks for this! Awesome!
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:03 PM
May 2013

I love how their "logical" explanations for things start with "the book of Genesis is fact, therefore ..."

Also, I'm not surprised at the cop-like security guards. Fundies are predictably authoritarians, and would get a boner at seeing that.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
28. 1) What kinda mileage can you get on a dinosaur?
Mon May 27, 2013, 10:28 PM
May 2013

2) Did you have to get a license for your dinosaur? Either as a pet or as a vehicle. The pharisees surely could've used the money, am I right?

3) Why didn't Mary and Joseph ride a dino into Bethlehem? Would have been faster than a camel. Maybe dinosaurs cost more, I dunno.

4) Did they eat dinosaurs? I mean, you get one and dang, you don't have to go to market for a year. It'd feed your entire family—heck the whole town—on Christmas. Oh wait. Oh yeah.

I want answers, dangit!

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
10. Perhaps you should do a review for TripAdvisor and
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:12 PM
May 2013

other travel review sites.
Your pics are great.
Thanks for sharing.
Actually, I live quite near this "Museum" but would never spend that much money to see this.

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
39. LOL.
Tue May 28, 2013, 03:44 PM
May 2013

SE IN can be pretty along the river, though.
Now that Cincy has a casino, traffic to IN will likely slow down.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
11. "...tried their "Eden Wrap"..."
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:16 PM
May 2013

Next time, try their "Eve Wrap". It's a fish taco served under a fig leaf.

trixicopper

(62 posts)
15. I suppose rolling on the floor
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:40 PM
May 2013

in fits of laughter would be frowned upon.

Seriously, I wouldn't know whether to laugh, cry or just be horrified by the stupid. Probably a combination of all three.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
17. God loves variety.... LOL
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:42 PM
May 2013

Except in

Dogma
Sexual orientation
Gender identification
Sexual practices
Diet.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
18. "God LOVES Variety!"
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:44 PM
May 2013

...but HATES
Fags
Muslims
Liberals
The "Dark Races" who bear the mark of Cain,
and anybody who asks questions!

25. ....and anybody who asks questions!
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:57 PM
May 2013

and if you do asks questions, then they always want to "convert" you. I have extended family members that are Bible thumpers, that's why I really hate holidays.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
19. $40 million
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:45 PM
May 2013

in public money from the taxpayers of Kentucky helped finance that "private property."

EC

(12,287 posts)
21. Well, I think this will trivialize their point of view
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:49 PM
May 2013

in the long run. They made their belief into an amusement park...they've equated it with Disneyland and fairytales. Kinda shows the real truth...it's a fairytale.

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
29. I'd get myself kicked out of there.
Mon May 27, 2013, 10:34 PM
May 2013

I'd make a scene. There's too much stupid there and people deserve to hear the truth.

Gah. Reading this made me both angry and sad.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
31. Dumb Squared
Tue May 28, 2013, 12:24 AM
May 2013

What utter nonsense, provable nonsense. They ignore or distort provable science. much like the climate change scoffers, who claim scientists are divided on that issue when the vast majority of science people believe.

The people pushing this junk have real issues and the sad thing is they have to be warping the minds of youngsters. Just a day or so ago I read of a married couple whose religious beliefs against medicine had just snuffed the life of their 2nd young child from eminently treatable diseases, I call that murder. What the Hell is wrong with these people? I'd love to shake them silly myself.

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
46. And lose even more cuz you'd need a whole bottle o' sumthin'
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:09 PM
Jun 2013

To get teh stupid out of your memory!!!

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
33. And nearly 50% of Americans believe this imbecillica.
Tue May 28, 2013, 02:35 AM
May 2013

No wonder the Republicans have such a strong showing in government with people like this choosing them.

It's like half our brain has withered into a tiny hardened pea and is rattling around inside our national skull.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
34. And God created every kind of bird, even the Finch kind...
Tue May 28, 2013, 03:22 AM
May 2013

Gag me with a stick... is that 2nd grade English or what?

....and he gave them the ability to "multiply on the earth".

It's called sex.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
35. You hit the nail on the head, but you didn't quite drive it home....
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:40 AM
May 2013
It really is amazing the kinds of contortions of logic, the hoops they jump through to try to sell their idea of a Young Earth. They honestly believe that if you don't take Genesis literally, if the Earth really isn't 6000 years old, then that means the entire Bible is suspect. Of course, they are right (about the entire Bible being suspect), but instead of adapting their views in light of overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary, they've decided to double-down on the Young Earth B.S. and try to twist the evidence to fit their carefully crafted narrative.


I take this line of thought a step further (and perhaps you do as well);

It's my opinion that the fervent defense of Genesis stems from the idea that if Genesis isn't a true and factual account, then the story of Adam and Eve isn't true.

If the story of Adam and Eve isn't true, then there was no fall from grace.

If there was no fall from grace, then there is no need for redemption.

If there is no need for redemption, then there is no need for Christ.

And if all the above is true (i.e. if the religious skeptics and atheists, et al have it right) then the entire book falls flat like the house of cards it is.

The fact that this museum exists proves that it didn't come into being in a vacuum. Consider how many state legislatures have promoted this kind of non science in their respective school curriculum.

It is all about shoring up a slowly fading theological premise. Christianity is getting backlash like it has never experienced before, primarily due to the internet, and church leaders and their political allies will be pushing back as hard as they can in the decades to come.

I find it amusing that when confronted with a factual argument to the contrary, one of the things yelled out by the theist is "Stop persecuting me!" I always think, Look...when the Atheist community runs a pogrom on Christians or carries out a 100 year inquisition during which everyone you know is either tortured until they renounce their religion or killed outright, THEN you can claim you are being persecuted. Until then, just shut the fuck up about being persecuted because it's clear you don't understand what the word means.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
36. I live about 35 miles...
Tue May 28, 2013, 12:48 PM
May 2013

driving distance (24 miles as the crow flies) from the "museum" but can't bring myself to go there. They would kick me out because I would not be able to not say something insulting. Across from the neighborhood I live is a very large mega-church that supports the type of nonsense the creation museum spouts. I just shake my head at the stupidity of these people.

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