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Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:30 AM Sep 2013

Are you socially invisible? I am.


I live in a rural area that votes Repub. Gun nuts. All the Democrats are African-American. We are white of WASP stock. Some people have large crosses in their yards with white Xmas lights on them lit up at night.

The 2 biggest churches locally are Baptist (SBC) and Methodist (UMC).
There are assorted smaller denominationally-affiliated churches and small independent ones. They might have snake-handlers for all I know!!

Hubby and I met at a UU church in the city. We refuse to set foot in a church except for a garage sale.

People invite us to their church and we say no. They look blank and baffled. We say we are Unitarians and they have no idea what that is.
If they have the slightest idea they confuse us with the New Age types at Unity.

The only wealth here is in the churches. They would not understand what a UU is even if we explained it. So we are socially invisible.
We are retired here because I inherited the family home. We have no one to talk to about what interests us (math, physics, classical music, current events, art, the zeitgeist) which is a related problem. They are all worried about what god thinks. ALL THE TIME.

I am an atheist and study Mahayana Buddhism. Hubby is also an atheist.
I know another couple in town who are ex-Mormon(met them on the Net) but they don't have money or energy to get together with us.

We gave up on the book club in a larger town b/c they talked about god a lot and how special xianity is. That's what church is for.

We are socially invisible. People don't know anything about us so they make shit up about us. We have a nice very old house with a fence around it to keep the con artists and panhandlers away. And Tibetan prayer flags

((((sigh......))))))))
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Are you socially invisible? I am. (Original Post) Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2013 OP
Reminds me a little of the years I spent in Georgia. The climate was nice, and dimbear Sep 2013 #1
I live in Georgia now Brainstormy Sep 2013 #7
I'm in Georgia also. RebelOne Sep 2013 #9
Apropos to your post: deucemagnet Sep 2013 #10
I live in the suburbs of Los Angeles. I'm an atheist. I don't drink or do drugs. I don't drive. Iggo Sep 2013 #2
We are fairly socially invisible too. TxDemChem Sep 2013 #3
I'm an older woman and my invisibility cloak was issued the day I turned 50 Warpy Sep 2013 #4
I live in west Texas LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #5
I live deep down in the bosom of defacto7 Sep 2013 #6
I don't think that I am socially invisible. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #8
That's an interesting comment about purgatory. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2013 #11
Obviously, you have made the effort Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #12
How to embrace being invisible. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2013 #13
Humans evolved to be social beings (oops! I mean Gawd made 'em that way!) Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #16
Zero is larger than all negative numbers. 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2013 #14
I can think of no solution other than to AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #15
I don't know anyone in any other states. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2013 #18
Never too late to make new friends. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #19
I had to relocate.... Missn-Hitch Oct 2013 #20
I'm socially invisible, enlightenment Sep 2013 #17

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
1. Reminds me a little of the years I spent in Georgia. The climate was nice, and
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 01:03 AM
Sep 2013

people sure liked to drink beer. Not a lot of high level intellectual discussions going on in our neighborhood. You could still slightly see the place where a cross had been burned into my neighbor's lawn.

Happy times that the internet is around, eh? Somebody's always going to be here.



Brainstormy

(2,381 posts)
7. I live in Georgia now
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:05 AM
Sep 2013

and while your experience may be common, I think it's more a rural vs. metropolitan effect. In Atlanta the racism is not so overt anyway. There are lots of UU churches, also atheist groups. But also enough people to associate with based on interests. I have tennis, book club, bridge, etc.. I'm the only atheist in most of these groups, but it's OK. The internet really is the solution there. And to the poster who complained about invisibility over 50, I hear that, too. That one, though, is a function of a evolution, nothing personal. And I agree that there's an upside to it. It can be a real relief getting out of the hormone maelstrom. All in all, sounds like we're all glad for the interwebs.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
9. I'm in Georgia also.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:38 PM
Sep 2013

I live in Woodstock, just northwest of Atlanta. Most of the churches here are Baptist and the only UU church that I know of is in Atlanta, and I avoid driving there if I possibly can. I hate the traffic.

deucemagnet

(4,549 posts)
10. Apropos to your post:
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:06 PM
Sep 2013


Not that I'm in any position to criticize Georgia while living in West Virginia. You know, glass houses and all.

Iggo

(47,594 posts)
2. I live in the suburbs of Los Angeles. I'm an atheist. I don't drink or do drugs. I don't drive.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 01:15 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Tue Sep 3, 2013, 03:54 PM - Edit history (1)

Damn right I'm socially invisible.

EDITED TO ADD: Oh yeah, my kids is grown.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
3. We are fairly socially invisible too.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 01:57 AM
Sep 2013

Atheists living in suburban Texas. We don't dare mention our non-belief to our neighbors. We may have a racist couple across the hall - I'm black/mixed, hubby is Mexican, daughter is half-and-half. The Internet is really the only place I feel safe. A few coworkers know about me, but I suspect that think I praise satan and sacrifice animals. Royally sucks.

I hope you two find an online community that is completely within your liking, so you won't have to feel so alone in rural America.

Warpy

(111,437 posts)
4. I'm an older woman and my invisibility cloak was issued the day I turned 50
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:20 AM
Sep 2013

It's funny how that works, one day you're visible and the next you're not, just clicked into some new category that renders you unworthy of specific notice.

Don't get me wrong, while it's weird it's also wonderful in a way. It's very restful not to have to flip cat callers the bird when all I wanted to do was walk down a street to get where I was going. It's also a good feeling to know nobody is going to notice me when I don't look my best because they don't notice me anyway. It's a great feeling to be able to wise off at somebody and have him look around for the source and miss my presence completely.

You, however, are wrong. Until they can click you into the safe territory of identification by church congregation, you have been noticed. They are utterly terrified of you. They hustle their children away when you come near. They think the flags indicate you're probably both gay, Muslim or Communists, or whatever they've been told to be afraid of this week.

Even small towns in New England were a little strange that way, newcomers accepted only when they could be pigeonholed.

You have my sympathy. It's either join a church and suffer hypertension headaches every Sunday as the sermon drones on and on while missing the point completely or continue being the lone island of free thought in a sea of rigid believers, your source of hope that sustains you being the thought of more weirdos moving in some day.

LostOne4Ever

(9,296 posts)
5. I live in west Texas
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:24 AM
Sep 2013

In a small town close to the right angle Texas makes with New Mexico. The town I live is super conservative but still democrat out of tradition. My town is primarily hispanic and Catholic though there are plenty of baptists and pentacostals out here. No UU church here at all.

We are about 1/2 an hour away from Odessa Texas which once hosted the doomsday cult the House of Yahweh and its sister city of Midland who has a couple of megachurches one of which I think is used by Kenneth Copeland (whose ministry had the measles outbreak). It seems like there is a small church everywhere you look out here.

To say its a religious area...would be an understatement.

I don't get out much as I spend most of my time helping my stepfather take care of my mother who has MS and is unable to take care of herself. I go to college as he stays with her, and I stay with him as he goes and works on crappy money hole oil leases.

I originally was going the medical route with my schooling but that did not work out too well so I switched to math/engineering. So when I do finish my schooling I am going to have a Bachelors in Biology, mathematics and mechanical engineer and a minor in Chemistry. I would have gone bio-engineering had they offered it but I think only 2 schools in the country offer that and none of them are near where I live.

Because of the situation with my mother I don't get out much, but most of my social isolation is self inflicted. I have never been diagnosed but I am all but certain I have Social Anxiety Syndrome and possibly avoidant personality disorder. I just can't handle people and start shaking/quivering when I am put into social situations. If I deal with more than one person at a time I pretty much shut down and withdraw.

So im not so much invisible as I am a hermit.

I love drawing and animation but have no talent what so ever.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
6. I live deep down in the bosom of
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:40 AM
Sep 2013

Catholic/Mormon masses. I am surrounded by faithniks, my work is entrenched among the religious hierarchy and lowerarchy at every move and every word.

And I am as alone and shunned as if I were standing in the middle of a Iowa corn field. Not one invitation to socialize with adults in 10 years. Not one visit to the back porch from people I have to be around every day. I stopped trying to reach out myself about 5 years ago. It is utterly useless.

In a passing conversation I had with a Catholic priest as we were waiting, I think he asked me something about my faith. All I said was, "You know Father, THIS is purgatory.... and we are in it right now.... we just don't know it." He started to laugh, then stopped abruptly, his smile went away when he saw I wasn't laughing, and I walked away without a wince.

How ever you look at it, it really is like purgatory.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
8. I don't think that I am socially invisible.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:26 PM
Sep 2013

There is a large part of the social scene created by churches and similar organizations that I do not participate in, but I don't feel left out by it. Then again, I avoid discussion about religion with anyone but a few people. If anyone tries to bring it up and I know that they are baiting me or are totally opposed to my opinions, I just say that I stick by the rule of not talking religion or politics since it is not supposed to be proper in polite society (which usually shuts them up since they like to think of themselves as polite society). Not that I have not made some errors in judgment on some occasions, but since I am considered a bit of an eccentric just because I live alone and am not married, it seems to be accepted.

I suspect that there are more people than you know who are not Bible thumpers, but you have just not run into them. As to the couple in town who are ex-Mormon, and you seem to have something in common with them, they don't need to have money or energy to be invited to your house for dinner. You are not asking them to buy the meal, and you are not asking them to do a lot of work. They may feel as isolated as you do.

Regarding the "all the Democrats are African-American" issue, you might be surprised that they would be welcoming to you as well. Just because you are not also African-American does not mean that they would not accept you. All you can do is try to get involved and see how it works out.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
11. That's an interesting comment about purgatory.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:38 PM
Sep 2013
Yeah it does feel like purgatory. Kind of like being in a freezer but it's not cold.

The couple who won't come over, the man works and the woman seems to be tired all the time. Maybe it's depression or a health problem. I have had a dead thyroid myself since age eleven, so I know about not wanting to do anything but sleep. Their kids are grown, as are ours. I have seen the woman at the dollar store buying wine and cigarettes. That probably wouldn't help her energy level.

I have met a couple of people that were different at the comm. college where I take welding. One was the art teacher. I gave them my phone numbers and they never called me this summer.

I invited a lawyer and his wife over once for dinner. I met him when he got a ticket dismissed for me, in the next county. They never reciprocated. He's extremely bright and a Democrat and even went to the GOOD law school--the one that cranks out excellent trial lawyers, the one I went to, in Houston!!

I did not serve any dessert or rolls. Maybe that was it.

I didn't have any help, since you can't hire anyone to do anything in this town, be it yard work, house work, or repairs. Appointment books and commitments are impossible to use here, although they might say they are desperate and on Medicaid but need beer and cigarette money.

Several business people have gotten mad at my husband, argued with him, and they couldn't make an appointment and stick to it and blamed us for the sin of going out of town!!! Businesses are badly run here due to incompetence and stupidity. I've posted these on Angie's List.

Or maybe the lawyer and his wife saw my mahogany buffet I use for an altar with pictures of the ancestors and Oriental statues on it, and decided I wasn't Christian enough, although they never said anything. People here are all so much alike they are depressingly predictable.
The man was very impressed with hubby's pic of his grandfather getting his second star pinned on him in 1942 by General Eisenhower. Hubby's grandpa was a three-star general & after the war the first Comptroller of the Army.

I lost two of my longest term women friends over money. I had known each of them for FORTY YEARS. They borrowed money and didn't pay it back, so I had to break off contact with them. It depleted our retirement funds and both hubby and I got severely depressed from giving them money.

On the topic of African Americans, the second woman I've known for over forty years, I had to stop seeing her because she was always asking for money. Her situation was a bit more complicated. She is in her eighties and cannot work. She is a nice person and only gets $600 a month in Social Security. She was my grandmother's maid. She lives here.

Her son died a couple years ago and hubby put up $3,000 to cover part of the funeral so she wouldn't worry.

However, she has a bunch of kids and grandkids who are deadbeats and don't contribute to her upkeep. They should be kicking in money every month for her. I counted three blood grandchildren and five adopted children she raised, and not one of them has given hubby a cryin' dime to pay him back, let alone the other $1,500 that the funeral director said she needed.

She was always asking for money for house repairs for an incompetent nephew who has absolutely no business repairing anything, and that would include putting batteries in a flashlight.

The last straw was when the idiot nephew said she needed a new breaker box. We went over there to her house and hubby (former electrical engineering major) determined she had plenty of capacity in her breaker box and this guy was just ripping her off. He also didn't know that you can cut from one corner to the other corner of a diagonal on a square tile, and get a 45 degree angle that way.


I didn't know there were people that stupid out there that "repaired" houses until I saw that not-on-the-diagonal cuts for a whole room.

I used to go to the dollar store and get her paper towels and TP and detergent once a month, b/c you can't buy paper products with food stamps. I once bought her $150.00 worth of new towels and the daughter with the three babies STOLE them all and they disappeared when she was living in the PJs(the projects-public housing).

The worst part is that one of the grandsons told us he gets $3,500 a month in disability money from the V.A., and he should be paying us back and also the funeral director, and all he's done is tell his grandma that she's a crazy old bitch. I wish I could help the grandbabies in school but their mama (one of D's adopted kids) just keeps having babies (one dead, three living, and she's 28) and listening to rap music and haven't learned anything in school. She got thrown out of public housing for having a boyfriend there, so that's why she lives with my friend. My friend went to Dillard University in New Orleans for a while so she has a couple years of good education & we can talk about stuff.

The blacks here are anti-intellectual and into rap about bitches and hos, and the whites are anti-intellectual and into crushing their childrens' spirits into total obedience, being afraid of the EEEVILLL outside world, and praying instead of reading books & lecture the kids constantly about Jeebus Jeebus Jeebus.

I'd be happy to give kids piano lessons, or let them come over and watch COSMOS, but no, their parents aren't interested in encouraging them.

Needless to say, having to stop talking to my friend D because of her deadbeat kids, completely broke my heart.




Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
12. Obviously, you have made the effort
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 06:49 PM
Sep 2013

and it is just that there is no fit between you and the people in that area. I understand that. I guess you have to either accept that you are a loner there, or find a way out of there. I am a bit of a loner, so I don't worry too much about that. But I am also social when I am in the mood for it. Most of the people around me are right wing conservative Christian cheerleaders, but I just do not get into those discussions with them...unless I am in an evil sorta mood and want to have some fun. I find that I am not shunned as much as made fun of for being a token liberal that they tolerate. I don't let it bother me. And some of my friends and neighbors have absolutely no interest in politics or religion, so those topics are not even in their vocabulary. That's ok too.

I know just what you mean about money and friends---and it never turns out well. It doesn't even turn out well if you help them without asking for it back. I suppose that they get a guilt thing going. Anymore, I sympathize with their problems, but I do not offer to help (I don't let them know that I could be in any position to help). I have lost too many friends that way and if I can help without their knowledge, that is all I will do now.

I was ready to ask you if you were my sister, who has a friend with kids and grandkids who all take from her and give nothing in return. She is 76 and figures that if she can just keep working (yes, she is still working full time) until she is 80, she will be ok. But she won't. Same situation you relate. There are people who you just cannot help. Just be there when it is important.

I hope you find a way to deal with everything. When I think about it, being invisible is not the worst thing in the world. I suppose you should find a way to embrace it. Good luck.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
13. How to embrace being invisible.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 07:29 PM
Sep 2013

That's a very interesting concept.

I wonder if we're changing the vibe around here by our presence, even without interacting with people. And while "waiting for more weirdos to move here" LOVE that phrase!!

I am already wondering if I can give up my attachment to wanting friends, since I study Buddhism. Buddhism is all about giving up attachments and realizing everything is illusory and transitory.

So far that hasn't helped. If I don't interact with any intelligent life in person I get depressed.

We have been here almost five years. Moved here in 2008 after going thru Hurricane Ike which was traumatic, in Houston. Took us six years before that to clean out the house before we moved after mom died, b/c mom was a hoarder. Couldn't touch a goddamned thing before she died. I have no idea how much stuff I threw away/gave away/took to an auction house, and still have 150 banker boxes I have not gotten thru.


I have given up on getting my friends from Houston and Dallas to come see us on weekends, although we have a spare bedroom and my house doesn't stink. I can't stay with any of them b/c they have cats and dogs and smelly houses. My friends must be slobs.


I have cats but they are outdoors most of the time and are not allowed to pee and poop in the house. I'm very allergic to most cats and dogs. And I thought I was a lousy housekeeper. At least I and the food and clothes are clean.

People here know who my parents and grandparents were when I talk about them. Big F'in deal. My dad started the sr.citizens center and now it's withering away b/c nobody is smart enough to manage it competently since he died in 2000; I'm not getting involved.





 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
16. Humans evolved to be social beings (oops! I mean Gawd made 'em that way!)
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:04 PM
Sep 2013

and it's very hard, and perhaps unhealthy, to ignore that tendency.

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
20. I had to relocate....
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:45 AM
Oct 2013

from red to blue. I had to for my health. I've been failing on the physical part but as for mental health, I had to remove myself from the very similar surroundings as you describe. I too invite you to the Pacific NW. You have friends here, I just arrived myself.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
17. I'm socially invisible,
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:24 PM
Sep 2013

but its more because I'm a single middle-aged female. I'm contemplating looking for work as a hired assassin . . . who would notice? (or maybe a secret agent, like Agent 88!)

I had to chuckle at your "New Age types at Unity" comment - my grandmother belonged to Unity; joined when she was in her early 30s, about 1929 or so. It was a well established organization at the time.

I understand what you're saying (I always thought of it as "granny's woo&quot ; I just thought the phrasing was interesting.

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