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theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 05:05 PM Oct 2014

Women likely praying before being struck, killed

Damn, I feel bad for the family but these women were praying in the middle of the street, in the dark? Um... and the Lord was where while all this was going on? This is the kind of thing that simply makes me shake my head. Sad all the way around.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/local/colerain/2014/10/14/colerain-accident-victims-pat-and-jessica-lutz-remembered/17257219/
The Cincinnati Enquirer
October 14, 2014
Women likely praying before being struck, killed
Jennie Key

Patricia Lutz and her daughter Jessica walked in the dusk Sunday evening near their home on Miami Trail Lane in Colerain Township. Patricia's husband of 42 years, Vince Lutz, was out for a jog...

...The women were struck from behind just before 7 p.m. as they walked on East Miami River Road near Old Colerain.

Vince said the family found some wet papers in the bushes near the accident scene the next day: a copy of the "Novena to the Virgin Mary, Untier of Knots."

"We believe Patty and Jess were praying during the walk," he said, and believes they have found "peace in the Lord."

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Women likely praying before being struck, killed (Original Post) theHandpuppet Oct 2014 OP
When my brain was being washed and rinsed by penguins in ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2014 #1
And you learned a lot about asking stupid questions, Curmudgeoness Oct 2014 #2
so questioning ridiculous statements that can never be proved is being stupid? ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2014 #9
Sorry. Curmudgeoness Oct 2014 #10
not a problem, ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2014 #11
Okay, explain the kneeling on rice thing to me theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #3
The RCC has a long history of the glorification of suffering. trotsky Oct 2014 #4
That's just some kind of sick theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #5
The first minute is ok ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2014 #6
Good grief. theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #7
Yep, the torture of children is a nasty thing. Iggo Oct 2014 #8

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
1. When my brain was being washed and rinsed by penguins in
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 05:11 PM
Oct 2014

catholic grade skull, a carload of some of our nuns crossed the highway and struck a semi head on. All died, including the innocent trucker. The T&V later reported that there was alcohol use by the nuns that seemed to contribute to the collision.

At my school, they were all shocked and saddened, and then they told us that the four were praying before the fatal collision. They said nothing about the blood alcohol levels.

Even at age 7, I began thinking. Which led to me asking, out loud, "Wait, how could you tell that they were praying, and if prayer was so powerful, why did the accident happen?"

I was forced to kneel on rice the rest of the afternoon. Which taught me a lot about religion, religious instruction and religious run schools.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
2. And you learned a lot about asking stupid questions,
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 05:42 PM
Oct 2014

didn't you? I would say that I am sorry that you were put through that punishment, but it might have been the best thing that happened to you. Life's lessons are unexpected.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
9. so questioning ridiculous statements that can never be proved is being stupid?
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:32 PM
Oct 2014

And here I go telling all of my clients that the only stupid question they have is the one that they do not ask.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
3. Okay, explain the kneeling on rice thing to me
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 06:10 PM
Oct 2014

In my neck of the woods it was always an oar-sized piece of hardwood with holes drilled in it, forcefully smacked against one's bottom.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
4. The RCC has a long history of the glorification of suffering.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 07:41 PM
Oct 2014

That was one of the main complaints against "Mother" Teresa. She generally refused pain medication for the patients under her care, believing instead that their pain was holy because it brought them closer to understanding Jesus' suffering.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
6. The first minute is ok
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 10:57 PM
Oct 2014

The second one, you begin to notice. After 15, you are in agony. And you have to kneel there for an hour.

Try it. With dry rice.

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