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Orrex

(63,216 posts)
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:50 AM Mar 2016

Mysterious ways

I live and work in the Pittsburgh area. A few days back a friend/coworker posted a cute story about her drive into work; due to traffic congestion she opted to take a geographically longer but un-delayed route.

On this road less traveled by she encountered several small dogs or puppies playing in the street, so she stopped and ushered them back to the home from which they likely originated. The owner was very grateful and wasn't even aware that the dogs had gotten out.

My friend is not spiritual nor religious and posted this as a sort of "glad to be in the right place at the right time" story.

Predictably, two dozen people chimed in to tell her that God steered her onto that road so that she would be in a position to do the right thing, because God works through us, etc. She was gracious and received their comments politely but didn't reply. In response, I posted "Dog works in mysterious ways," which she Liked.

Anyway, mere hours before God decided to use my friend as a dogcatcher, six people were shot and killed in nearby Wilkinsburg.

Hallelujah.

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AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
1. Religion is like a giant AA meeting!
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:36 AM
Mar 2016

Anything good you do is because, y'know, god!

Anything bad you do is ALL YOUR OWN FAULT!

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
3. My all-time favorite
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:01 PM
Mar 2016

was a story about a missionary who died when her plane was shot down over Columbia in the late 90s.

Soon thereafter, on Good Morning America (the prime venue for respectful mourning) her family actually said "God kept her safe until it was time to call her home."

Now, I'm not the kind of atheist who'd go out of his way to piss on someone's grief, but this kind of rationalization make me lose my mind. Who could possibly accept it as a sensible explanation of the universe? How is it different from God doing nothing at all?


I often wonder if I'm wired differently, because that kind of thinking is simply abhorrent to me.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
4. "God kept her safe until it was time to call her home."
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:10 PM
Mar 2016

Nice to see he's doing the same for Dick Cheney and Donald Drumpf.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
6. Perhaps he's betting with his good buddy Satan again...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:17 PM
Mar 2016

only this time instead of screwing over Job, it's the rest of the human population.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
8. God called him home.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 05:40 PM
Mar 2016

Ugh. I can't remember how many times I heard that when my brother died. These people think that is some sort of consolation. Fuck that god. I want my brother back.

Even my parents, who are very religious, were sick of hearing it.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
9. And if you take issue with it, then somehow you're the asshole
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 05:57 PM
Mar 2016

This pops up on DU frequently, and the majority sentiment is always the same: fuck your own views; if a religionist decides to lecture you about The Good News, you're obligated to receive it "in the intended spirit."

Bullshit.
Bullshit.
Bullshit.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
7. People look to explanations to reduce anxiety, even if the explanations are fictitious.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:21 PM
Mar 2016

Without direct knowledge of why unfortunate events occur, the mass public may attribute intent to actors through speculation relying on antecedent beliefs which may be pleasurable to hold or unpleasant to reject (Sunstein & Vermeule, 2008).

Iyengar, S. (1987). Television news and citizen’s explanations of national affairs.
The American Political Science Review, 81(3), 815-832.

Citizens are only fleetingly acquainted with current events and very few utilize ideological precepts to organize their political beliefs (for a review of research, see Kinder and Sears 1985). The low level of political knowledge and the absence of ideological reasoning has lent credence to charges that popular control of government is illusory (with respect to U.S. public opinion, for example, see Schumpeter 1950; Toqueville 1954).

~snip~

Explanation is an essential ingredient of human knowledge. To explain events or outcomes is to understand them: to transform the "blooming, buzzing confusion" of today's world into orderly and meaningful patterns. Psychological research has demonstrated that causal relationships feature prominently in individuals' perceptions of social phenomena (Nisbett and Ross 1980; Weiner 1985). In fact, causal thinking is so ingrained in the human psyche that we even invent causation where none exists, as in purely random or chance events. (see Langer 1975; Wortman 1976).

Explanatory knowledge is important to political thinking for two reasons. First, answers to causal questions abound in popular culture, making the task of explanation relatively inexpensive. One need not devour the pages of the Wall Street Journal or study macroeconomics to "know" why there is chronic unemployment. Second and more important, explanatory knowledge is connotative knowledge. To "know" that unemployment occurs because of motivational deficiencies on the part of the unemployed is relevant to our attitudes toward the unemployed and our policy preferences regarding unemployment. In other words, explanatory knowledge is usable knowledge. Simple factual knowledge, on the other hand (e.g., the current rate of unemployment), does not so readily imply political attitudes and preferences. It is not surprising, then, that opinions, attitudes, feelings, and behaviors in a multitude of domains are organized around beliefs about causation (for illustrative research, see Schneider, Hastorf, and Ellsworth 1979, chap. 2). In fact, causal attributions exert such a powerful hold on behavior that "misattribution" techniques have proven effective in treating behavior disorders (see Fiske and Taylor 1984, 36-39), in inducing "prosocial" behaviors (see Schneider, Hastorf, and Ellsworth 1979, 93-95), and even in strengthening the general sense of psychological well-being (see Langer and Rodin 1976).

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
10. Well, yeah. And that's the problem.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 06:06 PM
Mar 2016

Once the anxiety has passed, they seldom reexamine the explanation that got them through it, no matter how fictitious it turns out to be.

And when they start preaching that fiction to others or--even worse--criticizing or condemning those who fail to embrace that fiction, then they deserve no respect or tolerance, no matter how sincerely they believe.

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