Sending Chelsea out to attack Sanders? That's Okay. Programming her to lie? Not Okay.

[Armstead]

This is one of the reasons that everytime I try to accept Hillary Clinton as a candidate, she does something to reinforce my dislike of her.

I have no problem with she and Bill sending out Chelsea as a surrogate to campaign for her mother. That's business as usual in politics, and it's fine.

I also don't have a problem with them sending her out to "attack" Sanders in an honest way, IF she had criticized his universal healthcare plan by saying something like it is too radical or unrealistic and defended Obamacare instead. Tyhat would have been part of an honest disagreement over issues.

But watching her speech it was obvious that they sent her out to parrot her mother's outright lies and fearmongeriong about Sander's goals, by claiming he wants to dismantle all public health programs like Medicare, etc. She tried to portray Sanders's goals as exactly THE OPPOSITE of what his plan is. She tried to demonize him as a right winger who wants to eliminate all public health programs. That's bullshit.

Such lying and distortion is inexcusable from Hillary. It's even worse when she and Bill send out their heir apparent to prevaricate.

[7wo7rees]

1. Feel exactly the same!!!

[razorman]

2. I trust that the Clintons are aware the Chelsea will no longer

be "off-limits" to the press. When she was a child at the White House during her father's administration, the media maintained a "hands-off" rule for the most part. Most people agree that it is not right to involve the minor children of political figures. Now, however, she is a grown woman who is voluntarily campaigning for her mother. She is in the arena, and is fair game to be attacked by opponents, just as anyone else would be.

[karynnj]

13. Maybe not, how old was Mary Cheney in 2004?

She was also involved in the campaign including the tactic of getting anti gay measures as resolutions on key state ballots.

[Cassiopeia]

17. She was 35 in '04

Born 1969.

[HenryWallace]

32. Sanders won't attack her!

He will use this opportunity to pivot to the issue........

...... and win!

[ellie50]

3. Chelsea Goldman-Sachs?

[Faux pas]

4. Kicking in Total Agreement!

[KoKo]

5. Chelsea and Marc's $10.5 Million NYC Apartment

(Might have something to do with Chelsea's point of view...but, it's sad if she was used to give that speech)
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Chelsea Clinton, Marc Mezvinsky Buy $10.5 Million NYC Apartment
AOL Real Estate Editors Mar 14th 2013 6:00PM
Updated Mar 14th 2013 6:06PM

Ah, the sweet life of rich political families. Looks like former first daughter Chelsea Clinton and her husband, Marc Mezvinsky (both pictured below), are about to swap out their stunning $4 million New York City "starter pad" for a $10.5 million home nearby. The New York Post reported that Clinton and her hubby signed the contract for a sprawling 5,000-square-foot spread at The Whitman building just last month.

Clinton's new home at 21 E. 26th Street features four bedrooms, six and a half bathrooms, a home office, a media room and a family room with a full view over Madison Square Park. According to the listing, the master bathroom is decked out in Italian marble. The Post reported that Clinton's parents, former President Bill Clinton and ex-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, toured the couple's home during a visit last week.




http://realestate.aol.com/blog/on/chelsea-clinton-marc-mezvinsky-nyc-apartment/#!slide=860650

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. They sold their starter pad

The couple's current flat on Fifth Avenue is far from shabby either - boasting three bedrooms, two bathrooms as well as a gym and doorman.
The 1,922 sq ft condo is in the Grand Madison - a building that has been dubbed 'the most elegant and historical building downtown.'
The couple will presumably sell the $4 million home, which boasts 'unforgettable views' over downtown Manhattan including Madison Square Park, the Flatiron Building and the Clock Tower - an extraordinary domed white marble building on 25th Street at Madison.




According to a Douglas Ellisman listing, the couple's 'starter pad' has a powder room, an open chef's kitchen with beautiful bluestone countertops, oak floors, Italian marble bathrooms, huge windows and scores of other luxury finishes.

Assuming a 4 per cent interest rate and 20 per cent downpayment, Ms Clinton and Mr Mezvinsky's already-hefty mortgage payments total around $18,460 a month.

But they're set to skyrocket.

According to StreetEasy.com, if the pair put down a $2.1 million - or 20 per cent - deposit on their new $10.5 million home, their monthly mortgage bill will be in the region of $52,000 and closer to $60,000 a month if the couple handed over a 10 per cent downpayment instead.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293195/Chelsea-Clinton-buys-new-10-5-million-apartment-street-husbands-4-million-starter-pad-bought-just-married.html#ixzz3x9I8Bh9K

[roguevalley]

21. They pay a month more than I make in a year. Fuck this shit.

[Armstead]

8. I guess this will do until something better comes on the market

[Spitfire of ATJ]

24. I'm sure their first improvement will be to replace those windows.

[hedgehog]

25. 6 bathrooms? That's a lot to keep clean.

[KoKo]

41. If they are all white marble like in the photo.......

Well the maids won't have much work to do. The bathroom and kitchen look sterile...like a Morgue where one is waiting for the Forensic Pathologists to move in and do some dissection and blood draining if there's some need for it.

Hopefull there Won't Be! But, what a cold heartless place that $10,500 ML place looks to me. And, that bedroom that looks out onto other's balconies is really creepy.

[Punkingal]

7. Yes, agree completely.

Reminds me why I am just so tired of the Clintons. They will say whatever, and destroy whomever, and then talk about things people say and do to them. They are a big part of the reason people are sick of politics as usual.

[cali]

9. I don't think she's programmed

[Armstead]

12. Not as a person -- but she was obviously programmed for this speech

That was the strong impression I got from watching. It was delivered in a very rote style., like they told her what to say and she delivered.

[KoKo]

33. Chelsea Clinton Defends Family’s Foundation & Limiting Her Role in Mom's Campaign

(It's interesting that back in April she said her Campaign for her Mom would be limited and she just last week announced she is pregnant and yet she gives a speech for her mom attacking Bernie.



By Liz Kreutz

Apr 23, 2015, 11:43 AM --ABC NEWS

Chelsea Clinton defended her family’s charity today against allegations that foreign governments received favors in return for donations -- saying that despite all the questions, the Clinton Foundation does “important” work and is “among the most transparent” of foundations.

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"I very much believe that that is the right policy. That we’ll be even more transparent. That to eliminate any questions while we’re in this time, we won’t take new government funding, but that the work will continue as it is,” Clinton continued, referring to the foundation’s recent policy change to limit donations from foreign governments, like Saudi Arabia.

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Chelsea Clinton made her remarks during a panel on women and girls at the Council on Foreign Relations, moderated by ABC News’ JuJu Chang.

During the panel, Clinton also weighed in on Hillary Clinton’s recent presidential announcement, and hinted that her own role on the campaign trail -- at least for now -- will be more limited than in 2008 due to her responsibilities as a new mom.

“My life is very different now than it was in 2008,” Chelsea said. "I’m a mom and my first responsibility is to my daughter, and ensure that she feels the same way I always felt, that I was the most important person in the world to my parents.”

Chelsea added that “very much for this year” she will likely limit how much she travels, but that she is still very “committed” to helping her mom win in 2016.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/chelsea-clinton-defends-familys-foundation-clinton-cash-book/story?id=30527311

[Todays_Illusion]

10. What was disturbing to me is how her attack was exactly like conservative Republican lie attacks.

The same twisting of facts into a big whopping lie.

[Armstead]

14. Exactkly -- Rather than building support for true reform she undermined it

Sanders aside, this perpetuates the message that we should stick to the status quo because the alternatives are too "scary."

[Vattel]

19. That is particulary disturbing.

It is all so calculated and creepy.

[AlbertCat]

27. calculated and creepy.

Describes her whole campaign(s)....since before 2008. I think she became senator of NY just as a prop for the 2008 presidential campaign...that she lost. She's only been elected to a single office.

She's not as good as she thinks (or her supporters think) she is. She's not more qualified than Sanders... except I suppose she knows where everything is in the White House.

Someone on here in another thread said she's running the last 20th century campaign. Let's hope so!

[senz]

44. I agree with everything you say, AlbertCat.

I see no significant accomplishments in anything she's done and several significant blunders in her one elected position and the cabinet level appointment. She does not stand out in any positive way. There are many, many senators more worthy than her, and the current SOS puts her to shame. She hasn't done anything close to the work that Bernie put in over his long public service career. She sells out in a heartbeat while Bernie sells out never.

There is no comparison. She is inferior.

[Uncle Joe]

11. I agree on all points.

Thanks for the thread, Armstead.

[retrowire]

15. KnR

How can we accept supporting a candidate that is okay with blatantly lying to our faces?

How can anyone do that?

[Cassiopeia]

18. Fewer and fewer are every day.

[Ferd Berfel]

16. It's worse than 'not okay'

and who gives a flying leap what Princess Clinton has to say?

[dorkzilla]

20. Once again, HRC is campaigning like a Republican

Democrats do NOT respond well to this type of campaigning, especially liberal Democrats. We are witnessing 2008 all over again, and for all the same reasons.

[AlbertCat]

22. to reinforce my dislike of her.

I don't "dislike" her.... but I am continually disappointed in her.

I don't think she's actually as good at whatever she does as many do.

Her smears are so easily debunked... what a dreadful campaign!

[farleftlib]

23. When the establishment candidate, who is far to the right of Bernie Sanders,

sends her privileged daughter out to disingenuously attack him from the left -- well "not okay" is one way of putting it.

It is not a case of my "dislike" of the Clintons which puts me firmly in Bernie's camp; no, it's like you said, they've sold us - the democratic party and the people who comprise it - down the river to the same "vast right wing conspiracists" they complained about decades ago. It's the "if-you-can't-beat 'em-join 'em, but-pretend-you're-still-against 'em" diversionary tactic they're employing reeks of hypocrisy.

[randys1]

26. A new person to BASH

A new Democrat, that is.

of course.

[AlbertCat]

31. BASH

Pointing out a blatant lie is not bashing. Just like pointing out "weathervaning" is not smearing.


And unlike most Repugs, we don't just follow labels but look past such veneers. We also don't march in lock step.

[cali]

35. And that you support her smearing and lying is no surprise.

[randys1]

37. Prove that I support Hillary in the primary or retract

[wavesofeuphoria]

38. Calm down, Francis

She said you support her smearings, not her campaign.

[randys1]

39. This is getting more and more common, insult or attack me then someone else comes

along and pretends to respond to resolve.

Just making it harder and harder for true liberals like myself to have anything to do with you

Dont bother responding to me in the future, I wont be reading it

[silenttigersong]

28. Trial Ballon

This is meant to test the waters with using Chelsea in other markets Clinton is moving on to South Carolina.It also serves as a test to see how the Sanders campaign will respond.Nothing to lose in NH.My bet is Chelsea will not be stumping in SC.It is also a deversion from allegations of corruption concerning FBI and public corruption concerning Clinton Fondation.This is caculated and the risk is likely worth it to Clinton.Chelsea is a sacraficial lamb .

[Divernan]

34. Yours is a very astute analysis on all points.

Check out jackpineradicals.org if you haven't already done so. Your thoughts and comments would be most welcome there.

[KoKo]

42. The "Clinton Foundation"

will blow pretty soon if Bernie keeps the Momentum going. If Hillary regains standing in the polls then that won't hit the MSM until later on when she's ready to go to the Dem Convention to be confirmed and the RW gets into gear digging through the weeds of the Clinton Administration and the afterwards ...Like where did the Money go for Haiti.

[mhatrw]

29. Hilla-Rinse and Repeat nt

[HassleCat]

30. He must be a Nazi!

This is edging close to the right wing meme that anyone who accepts socialism is a Nazi, because the Nazis were "national socialists." There is the old notion that anyone who strays to far to the left of the center, meaning more than a millimeter or so, circle around and makes common cause with Nazis, extreme right wingers, the Tea Party, etc. You see this idea expressed by people who criticize Sanders because he pulls a few votes from various conservatives and independents. I expect we will see more of this as things heat up. If Iowa does not go to Clinton, look out!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. Rich celebrities play by different rules.

[stillwaiting]

40. I'm not okay with Hillary Clinton saying single payer is too radical and not possible.

We need politicians, and a President, to talk to the American people repeatedly about how very possible it is. Someone who will explain, repeatedly, how citizens in every other nation in the developed world have access to health care and are not subject to medical bankruptcy and losing any savings they may have cobbled together simply because they got sick.

We need a President who will offer that up as a reality, repeatedly, in order for us to EVER have a chance at making it a reality in this country.

And, Hillary Rodham Clinton will NEVER do that.

Bernie Sanders most certainly would.

[morningfog]

43. You dislike her now? Wait three weeks. She's just getting started.

She is a dirty, nasty campaigner. There is a reason she has high negatives and isn't trusted. She is slimy as they come. Out for herself and herself alone. She a scorched earth ruthless candidate.