What Millennials think about the latest Hillary/Chelsea Clinton claim r.e. Sanders

[DisgustipatedinCA]

I've seen OP's and individual posts talking about Hillary, Chelsea, and the Millennial vote. Below is an excerpt from Reddit's politics section. By default, posts are sorted by most popular (most "likes&quot . I've read through the first 200 responses, and they're overwhelmingly against Clinton. Sure, this is anecdotal, but I believe it's a lot easier to pick up on the zeitgeist at work by listening to what Millennials are saying, rather than polling them. And what they're saying does not bode well for Hillary Clinton.

Here's an excerpt, just a few comments. I'd urge you to look at the full post though. It was striking to me how much unanimity there was against Clinton.

"What exactly are Chelsea Clinton's credentials that anyone should give a fuck what she says about policy?
This isn't a monarchy, who your Dad (or husband, for that matter) is should not grant you any authority.
Enough Bushes, enough Clintons. New blood, please."
--

"The thing is she does not relate to young people at all. Most younger Americans are struggling with school loans, living with their parents, and finding a good job with benefits. Chelsea grew up in a powerful, well connected, millionaire family. She relates to most of us about as much as Hillary does."
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"she married into Goldman Sachs, so she has to defend her mom who is sponsored by them as well."

This is not me cherry-picking the anti-Clinton comments. They're almost ALL negative.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/40s5w0/axelrod_chelsea_clinton_attack_on_sanders_not/

[emsimon33]

1. K&R

[tularetom]

2. Entitled princess who couldn't even hold down a phony baloney TV news job criticizes Sanders

Really not sure why this should be news at all.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

5. I think Hillary made a grave mistake here.

And I'm not saying that with a false sadness to my voice--after all, a screwup like this helps my candidate. But I still think it was a monumental error for her to make. I think it further degrades her already heavily-damaged integrity.

When Hillary went on television this morning and said something like "I love my daughter and I understood what she meant", thinking people could see that she's selling her daughter down the river, pretending it was naive little Chelsea misspeaking. Everyone knows better, and it looks even more crass for Hillary to try to force Chelsea to take the hit.

[tularetom]

7. She painted herself into that corner and throwing the daughter overboard was her only option

After all, she wasn't going to take the hit herself. If theres one thing we have learned about Hillary Clinton, nothing is ever her fault.

Besides, she's pretty clueless, it may have come as a surprise to her to learn that her daughter was every bit as vapid as the bush twins.

[randys1]

54. It was a big mistake, absolutely, and if Thom Hartmann is right, it might mean

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511003831

[roguevalley]

12. I don't think she relates in any way to others her age. Not just because of $ either. She was an

only child who grew up surrounded by body guards in a fish bowl and attended 'nice' schools where no one real probably attended. Real as in regular.

She doesn't seem to me to be someone who can relate to her own age group because she has been around adults her whole life. No kid life before adulthood. Pathetic all around.

[tularetom]

15. Not to mention being surrounded by the paranoia of the Clinton household

where everybody in the world was out to get her mom and dad.

Bound to warp her worldview a little bit.

[Fast Walker 52]

31. good point

[Faux pas]

3. Kickin' with gusto!

[Fawke Em]

4. It's not just the Millennials!

Check out this thread on a brain injury survivor:

Just an anecdote but... looks like the Clintons' attacks on single-payer health care are backfiring... Larry Jameson ‏ @LJameson): "Chelsea Clinton changed my mind about voting for Hillary. Go @BernieSanders"

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/40smgt/just_an_anecdote_but_looks_like_the_clintons/

[DisgustipatedinCA]

6. And I should have specified in my OP that the reddit thread wasn't all Millennials.

After all, I post there and I'm in my mid-40's. Still, I think that thread is largely Millennial-driven, as are the majority of threads on Reddit.

But no, it's not just the Millennials, not by a long shot.

[Fast Walker 52]

34. my son is 19 and Reddit is his favorite website

[Doctor_J]

8. Going against healthcare for all is a bad place for a Dem candidate to go

I am very surprised at this attack. It is possible that her strategists have given up on liberals and millenials altogether and are trying to a) reassure Big Insurance of her loyalties, and b) scoop up votes from the non-crazy republicans.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

9. I love your signature line, by the way.

When the word most often associated with a person is liar, that person is in some real trouble.

[ljm2002]

24. And when the person being quoted is now a big Clinton supporter...

...well the quote is just that much tastier.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

28. And I love your signature line, as well.

I was debating the merits of single-payer with a "libertarian" (note quotes) the other day. As I finished providing all of the benefits over privatized health insurance, his response was, "And you expect the government to do better?"

My reply was simply, "Yes, of course. At least your life is not depended upon profit under a government-payer system."

And I say this as an anarchist.

[ljm2002]

35. It's sad, isn't it...

...how deeply being anti-government has been embedded into the psyche of Americans.

Americans, for example, deeply believe that government is always inefficient and that private enterprise is always efficient.

Never mind the myriad counter-examples available to debunk both of those suppositions. Of course, sometimes government is indeed inefficient -- but the same people who think so, would not think of criticizing the worst example of government inefficiency, which is of course our military, who cannot account for billions upon billions of dollars (maybe even a trillion or more). And sometimes private enterprise is indeed very efficient.

I am all for private enterprise. But it is not the answer to everything. People who think it is, tend to be ideologues. For such people, no evidence will ever suffice to shake their convictions. Nor do they care how much "collateral damage" occurs due to their insistence that all things should be privatized, including health insurance, schools and prisons.

They are so sadly misinformed. I had a Facebook exchange the other day with someone who was trying to dis the post office. I asked them if, as someone who loved the Constitution, they were aware that a postal service was mentioned in the Constitution. Crickets.

[Fast Walker 52]

36. Americans have been deeply brainwashed by the PTB into believing that govt is bad

since of course it helps the PTB

[Fantastic Anarchist]

45. Yes, unbelievable.

In the abstract (and in a very tangible way, too; I guess that's a paradox), we are the government! People tend to forget this.

Now, I obviously have my issues with the concrete way the government is constructed, but that's neither here nor there for the purposes of this conversation.

There are a myriad examples where private enterprise (I hate saying free-enterprise, ain't nothing free about that under capitalism; though, you can have free-markets under certain socialist tendencies much freer then this cancer we call capitalism) is horribly inefficient, and deliberately so (in those counter-intuitive ways where being inefficient yields profits). Yet, the so-called haters of socialism never want to discuss how private enterprise hurts the majority and enriches the minority.

Note: private enterprise in this scenario regards large scale industrial and multinational corporations. Not community business and what one would call "mom and pop" shops.

Yes, fully agree with you!!!

[arcane1]

30. I loved their "morally depraved" quote the best.

It takes some serious skill to do a complete 180 from THAT!

[restorefreedom]

10. the desperation could not be brighter with a neon sign. nt

[roguevalley]

11. one of them wrote: "Hello fellow kids." LOL! I love good snark. :D

[DisgustipatedinCA]

13. I wanted to repost that part, but it would have required posting several posters' posts...

...and would have required people to know about that particular 30 Rock meme (one of my favorite shows).

I loved the part that went something like, "I'm so on the go, I drink yogurt through a tube".

[lastone]

14. I love this

–]HeyZuesHChrist [score hidden] an hour ago
It was definitely a misstep but it's not like you can really say you didn't see something like this coming. Hillary Clinton is politicking. Using her daughter was a strategy. Hillary Clinton doesn't see the the Presidency as a way to serve the people. She doesn't see it as a way to make the country better. She see it as an ACHIEVEMENT. It's like a football team trying to win the Super Bowl. They make adjustments. They change strategy. If something they are doing isn't working then they do something else depending on who they are up against. There's a plan to win. Things are calculated. The POTUS is a championship trophy to Hillary Clinton.
Bernie Sanders has been saying the same things for decades. It's not an achievement for him to become President. It's a way for him to make the country a better place. It's why his platform and messages have always been the same. He actually believes in them. Even if you don't think they're any good, he's at least honest enough to do something he believes in instead of doing or saying whatever it is he thinks will win him the trophy.

[coyote]

21. Sums it perfectly, doesn't it? :D

[zentrum]

23. Exactly. In the

…..early days of his campaign before the larger country even knew his name, Bernie said his biggest fear was that he would do something that would hurt the progressive message. That's all he cares about. Not the personal Super Bowl ring with his name on it.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

29. On the fucking mark.

Beautiful metaphor.

[Fast Walker 52]

41. I think that is an overly cynical view of HRC but I can see where it is coming from

I think she does want to make the country better, but she has a very privileged, elite view of how to do that.

[GoneFishin]

66. Right on the mark.

[Javaman]

16. the really interesting part about this...

is that Chelsea's hope of going into politics was just set back a number of years.

and yes, they are grooming her for politics, don't kid yourself.

[DebbieCDC]

17. Exactly the same way George P. Shrub is getting groomed by the Rethugs

Enough with these f***ing dynasties.

Did America fight a WAR to get rid of monarchies???? At least that's what I was taught back when the public schools gave kids a good education.

[Javaman]

18. exactly...

I didn't like her in '08 for that and other reasons, what should change my mind now?

[Fast Walker 52]

43. Amen to that

[SoapBox]

19. Indeed! What exactly makes Chel such an expert on healthcare?!?!

Good point!

[jeff47]

27. She has a masters in public health.

So she can claim some expertise.

Unfortunately, that expertise means she has to know just how much she was lying.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

32. Yep, that's even worse.

I can have pity on ignorance, but deliberately lying is an act nigh punishable by death, in my opinion.

[Fast Walker 52]

44. I saw Chelsea talk at my work (med school) on health care I think back in 2008.

She's smart and said the right things, fwiw.

[ChiciB1]

20. I Told Many Of My Friends That "She Just Made A BIG Boo-Boo!"

Just didn't think the backlash would be THIS severe!


Fellin' The Bern!

[INdemo]

22. Could this be Hillary's 47% comment?

I think so and worse

[Betty Karlson]

39. She won't GET 47% after this comment.

Her 20th century, tone-deaf, and entitlement-heavy campaign is the biggest risk we can take for the GE.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

25. The mere fact that both Hillary and Chelsea lied about what Sanders was trying to do ...

... they made it seem like he was trying to get rid of it all, when in fact, he's trying to expand Medicare to everyone, and the fact they deliberately mischaracterized his position reeks of such cynical desperation. It's absolutely disgusting. If I didn't have such loathing for Chelsea before, it's certainly manifesting itself now.

That whole family just needs to go away.

[Ichingcarpenter]

26. What's also interesting is their presidential subredditt forum subscribers

Trump now has almost 10 times more subscribers than Hillary
and his subredditt is relatively new. Bernie has at least 15 times more than anyone

Now anyone can look at these subreddits without subscribing
and I look at all of them at least once a week to see what's happening


Hillary .........1,499

Trump has two subreddits. ..............3,578 and 9,812

Bernie...............146,618

Rand Paul...........5,139

Ted Cruz...........1,060

O'Malley..........230


Jeb Bush....... 111

If you think these numbers are meaningless
then you don't know the power of the internet.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

38. Proud Sanders subreddit member here!

I'm 1 in 146,618!!

Just like my mom said I'd be!

[Ichingcarpenter]

40. I'm not a member

but you know where I stand.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

46. On the correct side of things, as usual

[Gore1FL]

33. The "Enough Bushes, enough Clintons. New blood, please" line explains why Jeb is having issues, too

Dubya ruined it for everyone.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

49. He did help by bringing his best dunce game to the table, somehow looking worse than his brother.

But yes, I do think people are sick of these dynasties.

[fredamae]

37. It is possible that Chelsea did an ENORMOUS

favor to the Sanders campaign...unintentional consequences in Underestimating sheer Anger over the Status Quo...bs.

Perhaps we should send a thank you note to whomever came up with this tactic against Bernie?

[Betty Karlson]

42. Well, if you want to rub it in...

But Sanders is way too much of a gentleman to kick someone when they are down - and at this point, the Clintons are going down fast.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

47. The quicker, the better ...

So, we can start with getting Senator Sanders elected President.

[fredamae]

48. You're correct n/t

[uberblonde]

50. The world is not Reddit.

Reddit is about 90% Bernie boosters. So I wouldn't get too excited about the comments.

[dorkzilla]

51. Ha! It used to be “the world is not DU”, now its spreading..

to Facebook, Reddit, Twitter and the comments in any non-right leaning on line publication.

But if it makes you sleep better at night, keep going with that line.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

53. The implication the poster makes is that other demographics just love being lied to.

I don't believe that to be true either.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

52. Good point. How does the rest of the country feel about being lied to in order to affect an outcome?

Is everyone else good with it? How about you?

[Android3.14]

55. "Hillary is trying to prey on the lowest of the low information voters."

In another comment
"Hillary is trying to prey on the lowest of the low information voters. She wants people to vote for her not because they are informed, but because they are misinformed."

[DisgustipatedinCA]

56. Yep. The reason for the lie was to deceive the public in order to hurt Sanders' reputation.

They're lying to Democratic voters--which requires contempt for those voters. And they're lying in order to try to character assassinate a good man. The next daily loyalty oath demand should be an interesting thread to watch.

[Android3.14]

60. That loyalty oath crap seems to have gone to the wayside

Especially now that The Swarm is hoisted by their own petard. Come to think of it, The Swarm has been mighty quiet for a few days now, except for a very few who couldn't debate there way out of Dixie Cup.

[beam me up scottie]

57. Like Fox News trying to scare old people.

Bernie's going to take away your health care!

[beam me up scottie]

58. K & R!

This tactic backfired on Hillary in 2008 and social media is much more powerful now.

Bad move Hillary/Chelsea.

[CTyankee]

61. I felt sorry for Chelsea, actually. She didn't make any sense in what she said. She doesn't

have the political touch her dad has. She looked like she was actually clutching that mic to hold onto something. She just didn't want to be there, doing that...poor Chelsea. But in a sad way I admire her for sticking by her mother. And we don't get to have a say over how she feels toward her own mom, OK?

[beam me up scottie]

62. What?

When did I say anything about how she feels about her mother?

If she's willing to lie for mom I don't feel sorry for her, she's not a child anymore and is responsible for her own actions.

[CTyankee]

63. no, I'm sorry I didn't mean to say that. Please accept my apology...I was talking in general...

(and being on painkillers for my shingles makes me sometimes, er, nonsensical) so you got the brunt of my nonsensical!

what I meant was she was trying to speak for her mom as she supports her and wants her to win and certainly doesn't want her to be criticized.

But you are right. She either lied or was badly misinformed. It was a bad misstep.

But I am a Bernie supporter. My hubby is a Hillary supporter. Believe it or not, we really get along. We both respect each other's views. He actually supports HIllary because he thinks it is high time for a woman president. And I can't fault him for that, just that it's not then somehow Hillary's "turn." We wudda been fine I think it Warren had just decided to run after all....

[beam me up scottie]

64. Okay, sorry for your troubles.

I don't dislike Chelsea, I've always liked her and am saddened that her mother decided to use her this way, she would be more effective if she talked up her mother's positive qualities instead of going negative on her opponents.

Shingles suck, my boss had them a few years back and was hospitalized briefly. He was on morphine and still suffered.

Hang in there and I hope you feel better soon.

[CTyankee]

65. thanks, scottie. I like what you say about Chelsea...my thoughts as well.

some times I wish I had morphine (well, not really. I don't want to be that out of it but the pain is shitty). I'm on Percoset and it doesn't do that much. I find red wine does better so in the evening I skip my evening dose of Percoset and have glass of red wine. what I'd really like is a very low dose of hydrocodone, which is what I had after surgery a few years ago. But I wasn't very active, didn't drive or do anything really. I was zonked.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

59. That was brutal....

Someone even said she's 35 so they're trying to attract "...the middle aged housewife vote".

[morningfog]

67. 60% of Dems under 45 years old support Sanders over Hillary.

Welcome to the future of the party.

[Babel_17]

68. ruh roh, they might now see her as a Heather,

or a mean girl. Generally speaking, that generation takes a more suspicious view of having privilege than older generations do.