What Part of this don't you understand Hillary and Chelsea?

[INdemo]

Bernie Sanders Explains how He Would Pay for his Proposals..

[orpupilofnature57]

1. Short on Poetry & Platitudes,, Full of comprehensive solutions, for 99% of us .

[underthematrix]

2. If I understood Bernie correctly, he's going to raise taxes but start out by raising taxes on the

top 1% of 1%. So basically he's going to raise taxes on everyone.

There's nothing wrong with his plan and we'll probably be at that point in 10 years but we don't have the BROAD public support or a political landscape that would allow this to happen NOW. We have a Republican Congress NOW. We will probably get the Senate back in 2017. But that means we'll have a divided Congress with Republicans maintaining control of the House.

HRC has a better understanding of the process and the political landscape. Voters who support HRC are more realistic and pragmatic. They expect her to maintain the progress we've made under PBO and build and expand on it.

This is why #ImWithHer, HRC

[INdemo]

10. No you didnt understand Bernie Sanders correctly

and second Hillary has only said she has a plan and doesn't give details

Free college tuition paid for by a
Speculation trades tax on Wall St.
Healthcare: Medicare for all
Will eliminate the private insurance costs and also costs for business.
Yes individual taxes will increase but check your medicare tax on your payroll decuction and this tax will only increase by a small percentage.
Bernie will also require taxes paid on off shore banks accounts by the billionaire class and this will be a huge amount that will offset any taxes for the middle on the medicare for all.

The problem with Hillary she does not have specific plan
You mentioned a Republican Congress, well wouldn't you agree that Bernie Sanders will take with him coat tail wins for progressive congressman and this will be a beginning.

So you see that Hillary and Chelsea's 1.5 Trillion healthcare.
was nothing but a lie.

Go to BernieSanders.com and this will be outlined im more detail.

[underthematrix]

13. So you didn't like the way I said it but

it is correct:
Yes individual taxes will increase but check your medicare tax on your payroll deduction and this tax will only increase by a small percentage.

You mentioned a Republican Congress, well wouldn't you agree that Bernie Sanders will take with him coat tail wins for progressive congressman and this will be a beginning.
Republicans have control of the House through gerrymandered districts. PBO addressed this issue in his SOTU. The only way this changes is if white GOPers vote for the DEM running in their district.

We are more likely to regain the Senate and most of those Senators will be going with HRC.

Chelsea may be campaigning for her mother but she will not be on any legislation her mother manages to get passed thru Congress. It will be Hillary Clinton's legacy, not her husband's or her daughter's.

[JonLeibowitz]

16. You can have your opinions all you want, but please do not talk down to me

about not being "realistic" and "pragmatic" for failing to back your flip-flopping lying warmongering conservadem candidate.

It's one thing to say you are pragmatic and are settling for Hillary. Quite another to say that others are not being pragmatic.

[merrily]

31. Can't reply to hidden posts, so I am posting jury results here

On Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:55 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'm didn't raise you so I am not responsible for your lack of self-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1005352

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Obvious personal attack.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 14, 2016, 12:04 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: A bit of a tough call, but this response clearly takes the exchange of words to a nastier, more personal level than what came before it. In no way, shape, or form does it convey any useful information, idea, or opinion. Thus my vote for a hide.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: totally bizarre.
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Explanation: Personal attack.
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[JonLeibowitz]

32. Thanks merrily. I managed to see the results myself. Wonder how that happened.. ;)

I was shocked to see such vile words spoken in reply to a call for civility.

Thanks for serving on the jury.

[merrily]

33. I guess some juror, other than I, pm'd them to you.

I voted to hide.

NO, j/k. I voted to leave.

I try to post jury results whenever I can, no matter how I voted. I believe in transparency, not so much in secrecy. I guess I'm one of DU's Snowden's.

[Dretownblues]

28. What is Hillarys

Healthcare plan? I know she wants to build on ACA, but how much will it cost and what exactly will she build on and how? Well Lets take a look at her website:https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/
Hmmm I don't see any numbers like the one she's asking for. Also notice that Heading: Affordable Health Care is a basic human right. Wonder where she got that from?

[awoke_in_2003]

44. Probably build on it

by increasing the penalty for not having insurance. The insurance industry will love ACA even more.

[Dretownblues]

48. Haha

Maybe. She has been attacking Sanders for being vauge but has not laid out what she would do or how much it would cost.

[senz]

40. How can you say HRC understands the legislative process better then Bernie?

Compared to Bernie, she has very little experience with it. He understands it inside out because he has been working with it for a quarter of a century. She's the newcomer, not him.

And you do realize that until Bernie entered the race she didn't have ideas, plans, and policy positions? Somehow she comes up with all these positions that don't sound like anything she has ever talked about previously. It seems as though she has paid "advisers" who write them up for her to suit the political exigencies of the moment.

How is she pragmatic? Because she's in the pocket of the big banks and major corporations? Does that make her "pragmatic?" Was busting up Libya pragmatic? Was the war with Iraq pragmatic?

I do not regard her as a natural followup to President Obama. They are very different in a number of ways. She's far more militaristic than him and evinces very little caring for the common people. She doesn't seem to have any ideals beyond her own wealth and power. She adores the 1% and admits to serving Wall St. as her constituency. Obama has had to cooperate with the 1% but it's always in negotiation, never with the enthusiasm that Hillary has for them.

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. Great post, senz!

This new Howard Dean adjective for Hillary is a joke. Since when is siding with Insurance companies, Big Pharma and Wall St. against the middle class considered "pragmatic" a Democratic /Liberal principle? That's not pragmatism, it's greediness. That why she's doing it. It's all for the Big Money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[senz]

47. Thanks in_cog_ni_to.

Very little of what Hillary's supporters say about her is true. They just make it up and then keep repeating it.

[roguevalley]

3. I think its the part where chelsea can't bring the grandkids to the white

house for Thanksgiving.

[jalan48]

4. Yes, so many happy family memories for her there.........

[merrily]

34. Ouch!

[Divernan]

7. LOL!

[Divernan]

9. The annual hassle. Whose chef will prepare the dinner.

[JonLeibowitz]

19. LOL!! n/t

[merrily]

35. LOL!

[SoapBox]

8. Yup.

[Still In Wisconsin]

11. I know a very elite runner who attended Stanford with Chelsea and went on ONE date with her.

One. Told me he wanted to be anywhere else but with her after like ten minutes. Self-absorbed diva of the worst kind. Think the Bush sisters but with a higher I.Q,.

A little research might tell you who the runner is. 1500 meter champ.

[underthematrix]

15. this kind of viciousness does nothing to help Bernie.

Terrible

[DisgustipatedinCA]

23. And Chelsea Clinton lying through her teeth didn't seem to help her mom.

And we're talking about that lie in this thread.

[Phlem]

24. I know right?

I has the vapors!

To think she might have an affect on my daughter's future to be paid fairly and be gainfully employed!

Un-burdened by the corporate trappings that come with HRC!

"this kind of viciousness does nothing to help Bernie."

But it has everything to do with my little girl's future and I'm positive Bernie will give her a better chance than HRC and Chelsea.

So yea. GO BERNIE!

[merrily]

37. She can lie and undermine Medicare for All, but no one can tell the truth about her? o.k. nt

[MrMickeysMom]

20. She came off this exact way on recent YouTube Q&A on autism ...

Insulated and kindly condescending, she was...

[senz]

41. Yes, I heard about her sudden interest in autism.

It sounded like a calculated attempt to make her seem softer and more compassionate.

[CorporatistNation]

12. "Hillaryous!"

Clinton Inc. making a stink... cause things ain't going as planned... K and R

[underthematrix]

14. Great role model for young women. Well-educated,

attractive, smart and fierce. Married first, then children. HRC and Bill did a great parenting job.

You should read some works on the Clintons because making stuff up about Chelsea doesn't make it so.

[JonLeibowitz]

21. Please be specific in pointing out what is "made up". Thank you in advance. n/t

[underthematrix]

22. Everything is a LIE except

didn't serve in the military and wasn't elected to office

[Phlem]

25. !

Rich, just fucking rich.

[JonLeibowitz]

26. Well, he was specific. The correct answer was "all of the above" :-P

[Phlem]

27. I know, I was trying to post a dupe of my response to his reply as well.

The Clintons are a joke.

[merrily]

38. Lying does not a great role model make and Jon made nothing up.

Most young women cannot even relate to Chelsea. It's funny how selective DU is in talking about privilege.

[MrMickeysMom]

18. Hell, this Hedge Fund Manager won't even fight for THAT!

But, shilling was never so easy.

Too bad her debut to the world is such a willfully ignorant and dishonest approach.

[Motown_Johnny]

6. They don't understand how the truth about that helps Hillary.

It doesn't, therefore it must be distorted and dismissed.

[Geronimoe]

29. The Scooby Doo Van for everday Americans

is stuck in the gutter.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

30. The best kept secret in America is how rich the rich actually are....

Wages have been stagnant and things are falling apart to create the ILLUSION of a bad economy so workers won't ASK for a raise and employers can use the "times are tough for everyone" excuse.

Well guess what....

The average family makes about a 1.6" stack of $100 bills.

In one year alone Bill Gates made a stack of $100 bills that would go 30 miles high into outer space.

[merrily]

39. Yep. And that "short stack" usually means two or more jobs in the family.

In the family of one of my relatives, it's two for him and two+ for his wife.

He has a master's degree. All he could get were two part-time gigs, where he is theoretically an "independent contractor," so no benefits. Two part time jobs in two different cities, so double the commuting and stress.

She's very smart and extremely hard-working and efficient, but an immigrant, so her English is heavily-accented. Even Starbucks would not hire her because of the accent. All she could find was a job (full time) in a laundromat, where she gets paid "under the table." Her other job is also illegal" cooking for other people out of her home kitchen, which is not legally approved for that. She also maintains an apartment in their basement, which they rent out when they can find a tenant. Their house is probably not a legal two family, now that I think of it.

They grow what food they can in their yard, both for themselves and for her catering business, but they live in Connecticut, so short growing season.

5 or 6 jobs between the two of them, not counting the back yard "farming," but no sick days, no health insurance, no retirement benefits, nada, nothing, zip, zilch. They almost lost the house in 2009 and will soon need college tuition for their son. My relative is barely fifty and he's had a stroke (mild, thank heaven) already. I think it was stress related. We all live in fear that he will become disabled because the family really needs his income and, of course, he has no disability insurance.

[senz]

43. This is not the America I grew up in.

As our future President says, no one who works 40 hours a week should have to live in poverty.

[awoke_in_2003]

45. With the real rate of inflation

wages aren't stagnant, they are receding, and have been for a long time.

[madokie]

42. It's not that they can't understand it

They don't the will to understand it

Hillary will make hay with any tidbit she can gleam onto. She showed us that in'08 and she's showing us that today.