Hillary’s Worst Nightmare – Bernie pulls Right Leaning Independents

[FreakinDJ]

Hillary’s Worst Nightmare – Bernie pulls Right Leaning Independents

Wake up DNC – you are only 29% of the Voting Public. The RNC is even less at 26%.

The MAJORITY Party at 46% are Independents aka: Unaffiliated

They are sick and tired of politics as usual and angry that the DNC Establishment candidate would like nothing better than to shove her self-ordained coronation to power down their collective throats.

Even Right-Leaning, / Rush Limbaugh Listening independents realize Trump is utterly clueless and could quite possibly lose an election to Hillary – yet their hatred for Hillary is so complete they have decided Bernie is their Better Choice to insure Hillary doesn’t become president.

Millennials – don’t get them started. They can see right through Hillary’s “I’ll say any thing to get Elected” approach as she tries in earnest to convince them of her sincerity as she promises to tackle “Income Inequality” or “Run-Away Tuition Cost”. All the while as she “Wines and Dines” with the Wall St Elite. Sorry - they aren't buying it

Dear DNC - Run don't walk to the Left. You need to embrace Bernie and do it quickly before you “Backroom Deal” yourself into insignificance

[dreamnightwind]

1. The hard part is getting them to vote in the Democratic primary

If we get past the primary, many of those people will absolutely support Bernie in the general election.

[PatrynXX]

34. Independents to come out to vote in the caucus

so Hillary better figure that out . thats what I did at my first Caucus in 2004. went from independent to Democrat. right now bordeirng on ... being on paper as independent , as far as I'm concerned I became one again in 2014...

[dreamnightwind]

41. That would be great, I hope that's what happens

I wonder if the phone banking target independents who could caucus for Bernie (I don't know the caucus rule re what qualifies someone to vote), or just registered Democrats? I was looking into helping phone bank, so I'll probably find out soon enough.

[CoffeeCat]

47. Great news on this topic for Bernie in the Iowa caucuses

According to the latest Des Moines Register Iowa Poll, which was released this week--has absolutely amazing news for Bernie with regard to Independent voters.

(And it's worth noting that the Iowa Poll is the absolute gold standard of polling. Nate Silver gives Ann Selzer's Iowa Poll an A+ rating, which has only been given to three pollsters).

Sanders is leading Clinton with Iowa Independents by very wide margins; 62 to 21. And that specific figure is with "Independents who plan to attend the Iowa caucuses." This is unbelievably incredible.

Many people don't realize that 43 percent of all registered voters in Iowa are Indies. You have to secure this voter block to win the Iowa caucuses. And Bernie is killing it.

Also of note is that it is easy peasy to walk into your caucus and change your registration from Independent to Democrat. You fill out a card. It takes a few minutes. Iowans can do this right up until the caucus begins at 7:00 p.m. It's so common in Iowa. It's no big deal to switch.

I've also been calling Independents and Republicans in my area--a pretty conservative Iowa suburb. Great response from Indies and even some Republicans. I would say that with respect to Independents (as far as the phone calling is going), Bernie is on par with Obama; and he surpasses Obama with Republicans. I didn't have any Republican interest with Obama, but I'm finding it with Bernie.

[FreakinDJ]

52. Thanks for posting this

Really great news to hear

[dreamnightwind]

64. Thanks, that is great info and great news too!

There is a large segment of the population so disillusioned that they no longer vote. Bernie is the rare candidate who can bring some of those people back to the political process. Thanks for your post and for you phone work.

[in_cog_ni_to]

71. Whoa! "Sanders is leading Clinton with Iowa Independents by very wide margins; 62 to 21. And that

specific figure is with "Independents who plan to attend the Iowa caucuses."

WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! Throw Millennials in that mix and I see ZERO path for HRH to win Iowa.
Looks like the DNC and TPTB, underestimated Bernie!

He warned them!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[bvf]

89. Beautiful, thanks for the insight! n/t

[Fantastic Anarchist]

103. This is welcome news.

Thanks for providing that information!!

[lewebley3]

76. Hillary is not having any nightmare: Sanders is 49 state loss nightmare

[Fantastic Anarchist]

104. You are a broken record.

You've said that in other threads with no supporting evidence.

It's trolling.

[lewebley3]

109. But a true record

[mindwalker_i]

4. Oh brother

If it's against Hillary it "doesn't belong on this board." Yeah, we get it. You own the Democratic party like the republicans own Christianity.

and K&R!

[roguevalley]

7. no one is asking you to. you clicked on the link.

[MeNMyVolt]

11. Uh, yeah. One clicks on links when reading DU.

To. See. The. Post.

Did ya click this?

[mindwalker_i]

8. Stupid response

It's kind of like Hillary's response to Bernie rising in the polls - very much like the Portal turrets when they're knocked over, randomly firing their guns as they flail and die.

[MeNMyVolt]

9. OK, that made me chuckle.

Hope you have a nice night.

[mindwalker_i]

13. I hope you do too

[Luminous Animal]

18. I'm sure you advised Obama to not suck up to the righties who supported him.

http://www.republicansforobama.org

I'm sure you all over the internet angrily telling people that you were not joining Obama because he was sucking up to righties.

9% of registered Republicans voted for Obama.

Too bad you weren't there before they voted to set them straight. That Obama was just sucking up to to righties and he didn't need their vote.

[draa]

88. They sound way too pissed if you ask me.

But it makes me smile so it's all good.

Also, thanks for that link. I'll add it to my Bernie folder for future use.

[Chef Eric]

21. Which is it? Is Sanders a right wing "suckup," or a socialist?

And if he's a suckup, then in what way is he sucking up? Which part of his platform is he changing in order to accommodate the right wing?

[pangaia]

29. That's way too complicated.

[billhicks76]

22. Wait...Hillary Doesn't Act Like A "Righty"

Her and her husband who are darlings of the BUSH family singlehandedly pushed the center to the right. Blame them for all the far right cooks who will always need to differentiate themselves from cultural liberals.

[merrily]

33. Looks as though the OP belongs on this board, but your reply did not.

Getting votes is called sucking up to righties now? LOL!

Not an informed assumption, either. For example, the greatest number of registered voters in Massachusetts is registered Indie (or "unenrolled" as Massachusetts terms it) and Massachusetts is considered the bluest state in the nation. Moreover, many Democrats who find the DLC/DNC too far right for them changed their registration from Democratic to indie. Amazing you don't know things like that. Or do you, but deliberately post the wrong thing anyway? I always have so much trouble discerning things like that.

[FreakinDJ]

49. And this from the party of diversity

WOW

[Autumn]

15. Sure it belongs on this board. DU is a political discussion board,

where people discuss things. Things like Independents leaning towards Bernie.

[MeNMyVolt]

16. Suck up to the "right leaning independents" all you want.

[Autumn]

17. How kind of you to give me permission

not that I have ever needed anyone's permission but as an Independent I'm quite comfortable with right or left leaning Independents and have never had an urge to suck up to anyone.

[merrily]

35. Exactly. Anyone who assumes/posts that Indies lean right is poorly informed.

[Autumn]

36. Or they have an agenda, a very transparent agenda.

[merrily]

37. Amazing how even Medicare For All got thrown under Scooby Doo, isn't it?

[draa]

92. What bugs me most about that?

People on these types of forums have supported Medicare for All for years. We've seen posts about it and long sermons about why it's needed. Not just here but all over the leftwing web. Now, some of the very same people who argued for it, sometimes to the extreme, have come out against it since Mrs Clinton's remarks. That sycophant vibe just disgusts me.

It appears they've changed their values in 3 days. Strangely, some were even still for it just last weekend. Today? Nope. It sucks! It will always suck! WE HATE IT!!! It's clear why they hate it now, but it still disgusts me and it's what's wrong with the Democratic Party as a whole.

I've been a member of that party for 32 years. I may not be much longer. Thanks.

[Luminous Animal]

19. I'm sure Obama welcomed 9% of the registered republican vote.

[Fuddnik]

24. Over 900 posts. None of any substance yet.

[merrily]

38. DU poster profiles say so little, yet so much.

[SammyWinstonJack]

86. No substance but plenty of 'Bitter, party of one.'

[DisgustipatedinCA]

3. Great op.

[senz]

6. Good informative OP, FreakinDJ. The times they are a-changing.

Thanks for posting it!

[azmom]

10. K &r

[Thespian2]

12. K & R!!!

[GoneOffShore]

14. There's a surprise.

The SS HRC (or is that SS TitanicHRC) seems to be taking on water.

All hands to the pumps.

[GusBob]

20. The revolution is not technicolor

It's mighty white

[kjones]

82. Yeah, the real story is that, to eke out a win, Bernie would have to pull in Righties...

He's not pulling in a lot of minority voters, and he's running out of
white liberals...so he's not got a lot of options but to pull from across
the aisle.

[paleotn]

106. Are you insinuating...

Bernie is a racist? I'm stretching possibly, but your comment could be construed as such. Maybe this is just a whiff of the latest or merely a repackaged HRC meme. A bit heady with an interesting slimy texture, but does have some very strong hints of 2008.

I love it when history rhymes.

[ronbison]

23. My eyes rolled so hard I saw the inside of the back of my skull

Just keep on pushing the unrealistic and will never get anything done candidate, DUers. You will be looking back at GW as the good old days. Hillary is the only candidate on either side that has one single fuckin clue on how Washington works. I am not impressed by a bunch of recycled teach the fuckin world to sing counter culture regurgitation of ideas that died 50 years ago. Hillary's worst nightmare is not Bernie...Hillary's problem is a bunch of historically illiterate anti-Trumps who think that this or any nation can afford the massive social programs that are being proposed. Any republican could beat Bernie. ANY ONE OF THEM. And they will if he gets the nomination...because such large doses of his ideas destroy economies. There must be balance between the altruistic and the greedy...Utopia does not exist and BS cannot bring it about. A vote for Bernie is essentially a vote for whatever VILE REPTILE the Reps put up. I know that many of BS's supporters are aging hippies and millennials and you guys aren't used to hearing no...but you have to stop slamming allies. This site is swamped in Bernie's tribute sperm. Tell me true that you believe that ANY rep is better than Hillary. Take all the Fox News out and tell me true.
It is hard for me to believe that the site that once was so Democratic could paint any Democrat as a Rep stooge as Hillary is done here hourly. I know that those who yell loudest are heard first, but remember...you are often in a vocal minority. When Bernie has something to offer that is more than a flower child's drug dream, I will consider him. But seeing that he has been spouting the same tired shtick for 50 years, I doubt that day will come in my lifetime.

So hit me with your polls that mean so much for Bernie, but are flawed for Hillary. Meanwhile, I will stockpile food and ammo in case Trump or Cruz is elected. Thanks DU, for making me into a gun nut!

[Fuddnik]

25. We don't want a Republican. That's why we support Bernie.

If Bush in a skirt wins the nomination, we have a Republican regardless.

[John Poet]

48. OUCH!

But I certainly won't say "that was uncalled for".

They're "like family" after all!

[FreakinDJ]

50. WINNER WINNER - We have a Winner Folks

Could not have said it any better

[kjones]

84. Wow, how disrespectful

You guys are really focused on the female thing.

...and honestly, anyone knows that Hillary wears pantsuits.

[The Wielding Truth]

99. I don't see her as nearly as bad as Trump or Cruz or Rubio or any of the Republicans running.

It's also who she will bring with her. She will bring smart caring people who will know the workings of government.

Obviously from her past record things will not change that much but they will not get too much worse. If any one of the Republicans gets in, they will continue to suck our country dry of its resources, land, jobs, intelligence, humanity,and individual rights.

The Republicans who are poised to get the nomination only respect those with money or those who they know personally. You know, family and friends. If they give to charity it would only be one which has personally touched them somehow.

Sorry but they are not the same. Hillary has spent her whole career fighting for the rights of women and
she has common sense. She will not dismantle the country and sell it or give away for personal power or because they think we don't need it.

Nope. Not he same.

If Bernie wins the nomination then our country can strive for a more perfect union and correct the dwindling of the middle class. But if Hillary wins we can hold on to the Obama accomplishments and not fall into more idiotcrasy and chaos.

[Cartoonist]

26. Great comedy!

Thanks for posting.

[closeupready]

31. +1 - a little dated perhaps, but still makes me chuckle.

[pangaia]

32. Thank you for your comments.

I will pass them on to the proper department.

Waste Management, INC.

[merrily]

39. Yes, I remember all the substantive legislation Hillary passed. Oh wait....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1009929

[Autumn]

43. You're welcome!

[FreakinDJ]

51. So what - you saw an empty skull -

from reading your response no surprise there

[99Forever]

59. Welcome to DU.

Enjoy your stay.

[Marty McGraw]

83. decade upon decades

of having the rug pulled out from under us or never getting a fair shake toward getting anywhere.will do that to people. and when that tipping moment to hit the brakes and change course comes about,

NOTHING WILL STOP US!

(coming not from a millennial or a hippy - more in the middle of all that)

[bvf]

90. A little time in a shack in the woods of Montana

would probably help you cool off, yes.

[closeupready]

27. Bernie's good ... DAMN good.

[leftofcool]

28. So, are we singing Kumbaya with Republicans now?

[Fuddnik]

30. Only in your dreams.

I believe the OP said "Independents".

[merrily]

40. LOL! Taking votes away from Republican candidates is a bad thing now?

Obama bragged about getting votes from not only right leaning Idies, but full on Republicans, calling them Obamacans--but Democratic Socialist Bernie should hang his head because of it? o.k.

[treestar]

75. they are not bare votes, they are the people who do the voting

how do right wing voters get taken by Bernie? Only if Bernie takes some right wing positions on at least some issues.

[merrily]

108. False. How did FDR get right wing voters?

Now, how did Bubba take them? Obama?

One thing everyone says about Sanders is that he has been consistent and straightforward. You will get what Sanders says you will get. About 20 to 25% of Vermont's registered Republicans have been voting for him with the same message he's been running on these past few months.

[Autumn]

42. Independents are republicans now?

[JonLeibowitz]

44. It appears the party purity tests have become quite a bit more discerning. ;-)

[JTFrog]

58. So manny complaints in so little time. n/t

[kjones]

85. But isn't all the Hillary hate based on Hillary not being "pure" enough for you guys?

Make up your minds

[JonLeibowitz]

87. I don't hate Hillary, i just don't know where she stands on issues when she flipflops

As such, voting for her is impossible

[hootinholler]

63. Only if they start the singing

If they want to come to our campfire to sing Kumbaya, who are we to reject a peace offering?

[treestar]

74. I thought we were not allowed to compromise with them!

Not even to keep the government from being shut down!

It is inconsistent with most of whatever else the Bernie supporters say.

[cascadiance]

45. Those who don't see how this is working should look at this blog thread I just came across...

... and see the logic that some here are arguing from the right and as independent voters, who appear to value Bernie's positions and some of their logic for doing so. Hillary is hardly mentioned here. But you can see some of the logic in their minds that some times is warped, but even with the warped logic, they see the value of Bernie as president.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/elections/2511158-sander-videos-income-disparity-social-security.html

[Green Forest]

46. Bernie pulls in every group who values honesty and consistency of policy beliefs (thus excluding PUMAs).

It's called building A Big Tent general election wave, which favors downticket races. Bernie will get a huge amount of first-time voters to enter the electoral process which will change the face of Congress and state houses.

Hillary is incapable of any of that. She will lose a general election because most voters - outside of about 80% of Democrats (not enough compared to the total vote needed) - feel she is unlikeable enough and such an untrustworthy liar that they will go out of their way to vote AGAINST her or they will sit at home, uninspired and/or unwilling to vote for a pay-to-play, say-anything-to-get- elected wife of the founder of the DLC.

[shenmue]

107. Honesty, when he's been an Independent until a few months ago

[Le Taz Hot]

53. THEY. HATE. HER.

HATE. 51% Disapproval rating. HATE!

[FreakinDJ]

54. That is called her Negatives

no shortage there

[Le Taz Hot]

55. These are Independents.

They don't have party loyalty issues and they'll have no problem voting for Trump should the DNC and Wall Street manage to shoehorn her into the nomination.

[FreakinDJ]

56. That is the Gamble the DNC/DWS is willing to take

But that would also include not gaining any seats in the House and Senate

[Le Taz Hot]

57. Not only will it not gain any seats in the House and Senaate,

it's guaranteed to LOSE the Democrats seats in at least the House. But then again, that would just continue DWS's fine legacy of losing the Democrats' seats. They don't seem to mind, though, they keep her there despite embarrassing losses on every level. The only explanation as to why she still holds her job is that certain important people want it that way.

[FreakinDJ]

60. Yet all you hear from them is "But please send money"

Asking hard working American families all the while not truly representing their best interest

[DisgustipatedinCA]

68. No one trusts a liar, and no one likes the smugness.

People have a visceral reaction to her before they even start thinking about politics. She's a disaster.

[Ferd Berfel]

61. It's NOT the independents that win presidential races

It's GETTING OUT YOUR BASE.

That's how republicans are winning House and State seats. They do not get independents, THEY MOTIVATE THEIR BASE TO VOTE.
We have Rauner in Illinois now because only about 25% of all eligable voters came out. Most were motivated hard core republicans

Bernie IS and WILL do that. Hillary is status quo and will not.

Feel the Bern

[FreakinDJ]

62. 29% to 43% - your base won't win without Independents

Whine all you want - Independents are the Majority Party of the new millennium

[Proserpina]

77. Bernie's base is the 99% (minus the racist, religious bigots)

That's ample for election in any state, with the possible exception of Kansas.

[Motown_Johnny]

66. Hillary will motivate their base for them. Why make it easy for them to win?

Especially the down ballot races where independents split tickets. That is where Hillary as a nominee will damage the party.

[FreakinDJ]

67. Well Documented GOP base much more likely to turn out to vote AGAINST

some thing or some one more so then any thing else that can inspire them to get to the polls

But then again the GOP base is only 26% of the vote

At the same time more then 60% of Independents strongly support Bernie. To those of us keeping count that alone is more then the 26% GOP base

[ucrdem]

65. We noticed.

[Gmak]

69. I talked to a 'former' Republican yesterday while phone banking for Bernie.

She stated that she and her husband are former Republicans who were sickened by the direction that party has taken and they are voting for Bernie!

[FreakinDJ]

70. I'm hearing the same thing out here

[Babel_17]

72. What's one thing most political junkies have in common?

Admiring honesty, and the quality of not being owned by any special interest, comes to mind.

[treestar]

73. Then how can Bernie be so progressive?

Or, why would right leaning people vote for a progressive?

[FreakinDJ]

78. Some - they hate Hillary

Others are tired of "Wall St as usual"

[treestar]

81. If they are right leaning

They think they are gonna be rich. Why hate Wall Street?

[truebluegreen]

97. Broad brush much?

And anyway I think the last several decades have disabused many of the notion that they are "gonna be rich". Meanwhile Wall Street keeps getting richer: even for the "right-leaning" that much is very obvious.

[treestar]

98. Not right wingers

They believe they work hard and the only think that stops them from being rich is their being taxed for all those "librul" programs. I don't see how those individuals could vote for Bernie. They call Obama a "Marxist."

[truebluegreen]

100. We weren't talking about right-wingers

we were talking about right-leaning independents.

[A Simple Game]

101. You fail to realize that conservatives have more in common with

liberals than they do the 1%. We are all part of the 99% and the big thing we have in common is that we are all being used and screwed by the 1%.

We all want health care for ourselves and our family. We would like free tuition for our family if not for ourselves. Most are sick of perpetual war and having many hundreds of military bases in foreign countries. We realize that capitalism is unsustainable without regulations and taxation. Most are sick of supporting the MIC, Wall Street, Banks, etc., etc.

[paleotn]

102. Are you serious?

please tell me your joking.

[McCamy Taylor]

79. I am sure lots of Republicans plan to vote in the Democratic primary.

[FreakinDJ]

80. Don't know about the 26% registered Republicans

but the Majority of the 43% Independents do

[The Wielding Truth]

91. I was shocked to hear my fundamentalist neighbor say she liked Bernie Sanders.

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She and Family defended GWB to the end and believe that all Muslims are sworn to destroy all non-Muslims.

She was NOT kidding about Bernie and I was so surprised all I could say was that he's a good man.

[FreakinDJ]

94. Been seeing and hearing the same thing

Like I said "Rush Limbaugh Listening Right leaning Independents" like Bernie

Not because his views are Right slanted - but because they know he is right about income inequality

[Douglas Carpenter]

96. I have found "redneck" joe-six-pack Republicans and evangelicals who really love Bernie

Of course anyone familiar with his record in Vermont knows that has a long record of reaching people who on the surface seem ideologically opposite.

I think it's his plain-speaking style and a vision to actually make real changes that would help ordinary people.

[Douglas Carpenter]

93. we already have too much support - we don't want anymore

[WillyT]

95. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[libodem]

105. If they hear him

They will come.

[Betty Karlson]

110. Debbie asks if you would please stop posting these messages.

The rattling of your keyboard and all the praise for Bernie are interrupting her dreams of acting as a queen-maker.

[FreakinDJ]

111. I wonder what she was promised

Cabinet or aide position

[Betty Karlson]

112. Chief of staff? Just like Rahm?