"FACEPALM: Bernie Sanders campaign tries to censor Wikipedia:"

[Dawson Leery]

https://boingboing.net/2016/01/15/facepalm-bernie-sanders-campa.html

"The Bernie Sanders campaign has sent an abusive DMCA notice to Wikimedia, the foundation that administers Wikipedia, over their hosting of Sanders campaign logos."

[hrmjustin]

1. .

[Bubzer]

20. ...

[ucrdem]

2. Litigious bunch aren't they?

When they finally get voted off the island I imagine they'll sue each other.

[TheBlackAdder]

42. As an EFF supporter, it is their IP. Uncontested, ownership releases, union printers lose jobs.

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If people want to create their own version of BS logos, or grab prints, they're everywhere.

Having them stored for easy access promotes the loss of IP control and the lost of centralized purchasing.



Sure, if it is a government related document, it should be free. But even government depts. control the use of logos.


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[Alfresco]

3. Dunderheaded :-)))

From the article:
Why in the name of all that is sane and electable would the campaign for a presidential hopeful try to stop people from reproducing its campaign materials? It is literally the most dunderheaded, anti-electable tactic I can imagine in a twenty-first-century political campaign.

[JRLeft]

4. Yeah, it appears to be true. This is a beyond stupid if true.

[HassleCat]

5. Lawyers being lawyers, I guess.

And they may be unaware of what Wikipedia is.

[Empowerer]

9. Why blame the lawyers? They're doing their clients' bidding.

[HassleCat]

11. Copyright defense often makes no sense

I have seen many copyright cases that make me think, "WTF? They should be glad for the free publicity."

[NCTraveler]

33. +1

"And they may be unaware of what Wikipedia is."

[Paulie]

6. Lawyers over reaching again. Happened this week with Metallica and a tribute band

The firm thinks they are doing good work but is fucking stupid as all get out.

I expect to see some heads roll and a real apology.

Here's the articles for both Bernie and Metallica:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/bernie-sanders-campaign-sends-dmca-notice-to-wikipedia-over-logos/

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-canadian-cover-band-reconcile-over-cease-and-desist-letter-20160114

So begins the lawyer jokes in 4..2..1...

[Flying Squirrel]

7. Withdrawn.

http://boingboing.net/2016/01/15/bernie-sanders-campaign-withdr.html

Stupid stuff happens.

[Eric J in MN]

12. Yes. Withrdrawn only eleven days later. NT

NT

[Downwinder]

8. Bernie supports the DMCA?

That might be a problem.

[highprincipleswork]

10. Boy that sure rises to the level of something I care about for the next four years!!!!

[Art_from_Ark]

13. Yeah, screw single-payer-- we can't get it anyway with the current Congress

Screw increasing Social Security-- Grandma and Grandpa don't need the extra money anyway.

But this story-- it's yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge! Earth-shattering, even

[litlbilly]

14. you got that right

[SoapBox]

15. Yup.

Boy...this ranks right up there with hob-knobbing with Wall Street Executives!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[litlbilly]

16. They have to get more creative than this, it's getting embarassing:)

[Bubzer]

19. It's also reaching. Nothing in the letter proves that this "lawyer" was representing Bernie.

You can read the full takedown letter here, sent by a redacted lawyer at Garvey Schubert Barer, a firm that claims to have expertise in intellectual property law. If that's true, they sure don't show it in this letter. First of all, they're sending a DMCA notice, which only applies to copyright, but posting campaign logos is hardly copyright infringement. When you're talking about logos, at best you're talking trademark, but that's not an issue here either. Whether it's trademark or copyright, Wikimedia hosting campaign logos is clearly fair use. If they're really arguing copyright, then it's an easy fair use call. If it's trademark, there's no "use in commerce" on the Wikimedia side, and no likelihood of confusion. Either one is simply stupid to argue.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160114/15244433346/bernie-sanders-campaign-dmcas-wikimedia-hosting-his-logos.shtml
There's nothing that shows this is Bernie's lawyer. This could very easily be just more dirty politics in an attempt to discredit him.
It's also strange that the lawyer is based in Seattle Washington, instead of, say, Vermont or Washington DC.

[BooScout]

26. Oh but he was...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/bernie-sanders-campaign-sends-dmca-notice-to-wikipedia-over-logos/

It isn't exactly clear how the Sanders campaign made the decision to get its materials off Wikipedia, but the decision clearly wasn't made by some overzealous, little-known volunteer. The attorney who authored the DMCA notice had his name redacted by Wikimedia, but the firm responsible is Seattle-based Garvey Schubert Barer. That's the same firm that handled Sanders' high-profile but short-lived lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/sanders-campaign-threatens-to-sue-dnc-216942

Nonetheless, Sanders' team — represented by attorneys Benjamin Lambiotte and Sean Griggin of Washington lawfirm Garvey Schubert Barer — was still weighing its legal options late into Friday night. Fallon, in a statement released late Friday, had urged the court to resolve the situation swiftly.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/sanders-campaign-threatens-to-sue-dnc-216942#ixzz3xPFKvQU4

[Bubzer]

36. Huh. Then I have to assume that the lawyer acted on his own in this instance.

It would explain why the take-down request was withdrawn.

[Sheepshank]

37. Well that assumption has no legs, but does provide a "pass" for your favorite guy nt

[Bubzer]

39. There's nothing to show the lawyer acted at Bernie's behest.

The assumption that he's somehow directly involved, not only has no legs, but it just doesn't pass the sniff test.
More to the point; there's no evidence that the lawyer acted at Bernie's direction.

On the other hand, it's exceedingly common for lawyers to jump-the-shark in this manner... especially when dealing with intellectual properties. So, the scenario you claim has no legs, is actually very likely the case. It's so common, in fact, that a whole industry of IP trolling cropped up, and laws were needed to stifle such actions. Were the rolls switched, and it was a lawyer for hillary doing this, I'd say the same.

[nxylas]

22. I'm a little bit puzzled as to why Bernie would do this

But as you say, it's not a big deal, and if HRH and her courtiers are going to try and turn it into one, it'll be a lot more difficult to sympathise when Republicans harp on about BENGHAZI!!!11eleven

[tazkcmo]

28. That's right.

It's crazy. All my life, single payer, universal healthcare has been a Democratic platform plank. Now? Nope. Forget it. Too hard. We have access to insurance we can't afford to actually use so STFU and vote for the big D. Oh, and get back to work while we dismantle SS, Medicare and anything else the Inevitable One deems "radical" or "dangerous", i.e. anything that reduces corporate profit.

Sure would be interesting to comb the DU archives to find all the traditional Democratic support for universal coverage to comapre and contrast to today's demonization of it. Astounding and another reason the Democratic "Party" is shrinking.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

17. Withdrawn, but at least linking to boingboing provided a great "Trump as a penis" gif...

[restorefreedom]

30. rotlfl! this might need a warning....

i almost spit up on my ipad!

[chervilant]

18. ...

[Change has come]

21. This sounds serious!

Thanks so much for sharing your concerns. This does seem important

[kristopher]

23. So a letter that is completely standard legalese is "abusive"?

Riiiiight.

Way to roll Hillary.

[Alfresco]

27. I just knew you were a Sanders supporter. :-)

[beam me up scottie]

24. ZOMG!!!

[Alfresco]

25. Wikipedia has felt the bern. :-))

[99Forever]

29. Oh NOEZ!

Well that goes right to the top of my...





Shit I REALLY Don't Give a Fuck About List.

[PowerToThePeople]

40. This.

eom

[restorefreedom]

31. thank goodness this came to light! now on to the "meaningless" issues...

ok, who is ready for another wall street bailout? maybe a war? anyone?

[Blue_Adept]

32. How can we blame Hillary for this?

[Vinca]

34. Update: request withdrawn.

[Alfresco]

35. Who is making the decisions over at team bernie?

[Sheepshank]

38. May not seem important but appears to be indicative of poor management skills nt

[Fawke Em]

41. You facepalm yourself about something so boring?

[Gothmog]

43. This move backfired