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Chuck Todd just called this the "Bernie Sanders Debate" (Original Post) awake Jan 2016 OP
+1000 fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #1
Agree. onecaliberal Jan 2016 #2
She is trying to secure that Southern firewall. nt thereismore Jan 2016 #3
+1 n/t Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #4
...and Sanders is helping her. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #6
African Americans will support Bernie BainsBane Jan 2016 #12
Yeap, Sanders is going to call his campaign a "course correction" and jab at Obama as much as uponit7771 Jan 2016 #17
subtle enid602 Jan 2016 #26
That's not what he said. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #32
That firewall was broken months ago snoringvoter Jan 2016 #18
Cause Hillary is smart, ending Obama = ending his relationship with the Obama coalition... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #5
It was clearly directed at the S Carolina audience BainsBane Jan 2016 #9
Yeap, 8 years ago was politics now they're tight... its a smart move uponit7771 Jan 2016 #11
He looks like a Bundy bro ucrdem Jan 2016 #7
That wasn't a good thing BainsBane Jan 2016 #8
Baaahahahaha HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #10
Exactly! It was not meant as a compliment. R B Garr Jan 2016 #16
I think the more proper phrase is: He gets upset when she lies about him. libdem4life Jan 2016 #25
His expressions were very unprofessional and R B Garr Jan 2016 #28
He certainly was not in her league...thank goodness. One of the most endearing libdem4life Jan 2016 #31
Bernie wasn't in a PRESIDENTIAL league. Laughable R B Garr Jan 2016 #33
No one said "He's a victim" Words in mouth much? Confronted with a liar, I'd expect libdem4life Jan 2016 #37
Isn't it odd how the other poster completely missed the lying elephant in the room several times? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #38
Who the hell are you to tell me what I saw. R B Garr Jan 2016 #39
Now I'm lying and exaggerating. Myopic, no less. Poor Bernie, the victim. Not. libdem4life Jan 2016 #41
Bernie is a one-trick pony and he demonstrated that again R B Garr Jan 2016 #44
Speaking of the victim...OK. We disagree. libdem4life Jan 2016 #45
Hillary does not "scrutinize". She lies. And what we need are more politicians with real emotion, libdem4life Jan 2016 #36
bad performance enid602 Jan 2016 #27
He was clearly not prepared for this debate FloridaBlues Jan 2016 #53
Context: He meant that it was much focused on him. That's it lunamagica Jan 2016 #13
He said it both before and after the debate. ucrdem Jan 2016 #15
Hillary wants the entire coalition behind her. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #14
Yet acts just the opposite. Nt Logical Jan 2016 #22
Well, she's sadly lacking in the Visionary Coalition. She's got the entire Establishment Coalition libdem4life Jan 2016 #42
Sanders dominated. earthside Jan 2016 #19
His presence influenced the thinking of the "opinion makers" hosting the debate for the first time. pa28 Jan 2016 #20
He is correct for once. Nt Logical Jan 2016 #21
Hillary is such a hypocrite trying to hide behind Obama jfern Jan 2016 #23
And the hits just keep on coming...Bernie was real. Hillary was plastic. Martin was pissed. libdem4life Jan 2016 #24
I love Chuck Todd, don't you? gwheezie Jan 2016 #29
I wouldn't expect TOAD to say anything favorable about Hillary. oasis Jan 2016 #30
He is still a toad Kalidurga Jan 2016 #34
He may be a Toad, but he's (kind of) our Toad. (Attributed to Nixon ...substitute SOB) libdem4life Jan 2016 #46
For the time being. But, he will revert back to being a toady for the 1% any moment now. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #48
Toad on Loan...that's priceless. I love it ! But hell yes I'll take it. libdem4life Jan 2016 #51
I found this creepy the way she kept doing it. People are angry, nothing has changed. So she just ViseGrip Jan 2016 #35
ChuckTodd, has been under the bus for years on DU....how nice of you Sheepshank Jan 2016 #40
Oh so sorry that I offended you by quoting Chuck awake Jan 2016 #43
You quoted so one who has for a long time been considered an asshole Sheepshank Jan 2016 #47
So now we must be PC on the commentators? Maybe he's tired of being Under The Bus libdem4life Jan 2016 #49
Yes is You, Bernie supporters are also now crawling up Rove's butt. Sheepshank Jan 2016 #50
How gross. No comment. libdem4life Jan 2016 #52
Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2016 #54
Chuck Todd? underpants Jan 2016 #55
Yes Chuck Todd I just reported what happened on NBC after the debate awake Jan 2016 #56
You're right that was snarky and lazy of me underpants Jan 2016 #57
That ok no harm no fowl awake Jan 2016 #58

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
12. African Americans will support Bernie
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jan 2016

Once they become as informed as the rest of America.
Did you catch that? Now we know where his supporters get that from.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
17. Yeap, Sanders is going to call his campaign a "course correction" and jab at Obama as much as
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jan 2016

... possible then act like Obama'a coalition is stupid for not supporting him.

They still think everyone hates Obama and Hillary as much as they do

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
32. That's not what he said.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:41 AM
Jan 2016

He said they'd come to like him as the learn more about him like everyone else.

Tell Hillary to get out of her #ObamaSnuggie (young AAs are using that on social media).

 

snoringvoter

(178 posts)
18. That firewall was broken months ago
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:15 AM
Jan 2016

Clinton is about to see the end results of her campaign.

Hint; She won't like it.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
9. It was clearly directed at the S Carolina audience
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jan 2016

as well, to show how different their relationship is now from 8 yrs ago.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
16. Exactly! It was not meant as a compliment.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jan 2016

It was definitely his worst performance. He clearly gets upset at being challenged outside his zone.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
25. I think the more proper phrase is: He gets upset when she lies about him.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:27 AM
Jan 2016

The camera caught real human emotions on Bernie's face as she lied and hammered, etc. At first I thought it was for Hillary, but it showed Bernie as a real person with feelings.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
28. His expressions were very unprofessional and
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:33 AM
Jan 2016

childish. It made him look totally out of his league. This is politics. If he can't stand up to scrutiny, he shouldn't be there. He's not a victim.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
31. He certainly was not in her league...thank goodness. One of the most endearing
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:39 AM
Jan 2016

parts of Obama is his ability and willingness to show emotions. Bernie does it, but differently. When someone lies about you, what should you do...rebut it, let it go or just chuckle at it.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
33. Bernie wasn't in a PRESIDENTIAL league. Laughable
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:44 AM
Jan 2016

that you are making Bernie a victim and everything he does is somehow Clinton's fault. He's a grown man. His facial exaggerations are his responsibility and his doing. If he can't handle debate and scrutiny, he shouldn't be there.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
37. No one said "He's a victim" Words in mouth much? Confronted with a liar, I'd expect
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:03 PM
Jan 2016

a human to respond. Ms. Plastic's face never moved. But then no one stooped to her level. Bernie did attempt to correct her half-truths and lies. What he should just let her have her way? I want a President who's more then It's Show Time. I'[m impressed when we see tears on Obama's face...when his pain shows...when he plays with little kids. Some think that's (you can fill in the word) or not Presidential.

"everything he does is somehow Clinton's fault?" Had to reread my post. You sound like her.

Exaggerations...not present.

Don't put words in my mouth followed up by "talking points" and hyperbole that's old. I don't mind disagreement and discussion, but this? Pfft.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
38. Isn't it odd how the other poster completely missed the lying elephant in the room several times?
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jan 2016

He ignored the word liar--and that's the word that is going to keep her from ever being the President.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
39. Who the hell are you to tell me what I saw.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jan 2016

You should take your own advice about lies and exaggerations and stop it. You are the one who showed up to badger me, not the other way around, but this irrationality is sadly commonplace now with the BS supporters.

Bernie is not a victim. Quit making it out like he was victimized and quit harassing me with your myopic Bernie fandom. Sick of it.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
41. Now I'm lying and exaggerating. Myopic, no less. Poor Bernie, the victim. Not.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jan 2016

And it seems most, if not all of the MSM agree with me after last night. Bernie is presidential material. I don't think the term "myopic" has any hint of viability in this context?

Let me rephrase what it seems is upsetting, Bernie is presenting a new direction to the Democratic Party, and likely the nation. And many of us like it, as opposed to the same-old same-old. He is doing something no other candidate has done in decades...creating a vision and champion the "little people" while disavowing the Corporate Overlords who could care less. And the MSM is now reporting it. That's the shock.

Myopic vision doesn't "get" a visionary. That is by definition...not just my opinion.

(one more thing...I did not know it was bad form to respond to a poster that had not responded first. DU would not be here for that "rule".)

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
44. Bernie is a one-trick pony and he demonstrated that again
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jan 2016

last night. There's more that I could say, but my post would be hidden because of the Berniebros here; whereas you can indulge in vulgar name calling and call people liars and you can get away with calling Clinton nasty names, so you do it. Says a lot about the character of people who like to dish it out knowing that the responses have to be tepid or they will be hidden.

Unfortunately, I can't call Bernie a liar or my post would be hidden. But he's phony, that's for sure. Lots of press and media are seeing through BS's phoniness and lack of Presidential demeanor. How about I read and believe what I want, and you do the same.

Bernie couldn't name a Wall Street exec he would prosecute, so his phony diatribes are just applause lines. Who cares if you buy into it.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
36. Hillary does not "scrutinize". She lies. And what we need are more politicians with real emotion,
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jan 2016

not automatons. That's probably why Bernie is the Man of the People, while HRC is the Woman of the Goldman Sachs, et al.

enid602

(8,616 posts)
27. bad performance
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:32 AM
Jan 2016

She's obviously the better debater; she's mastered being assertive, yet cordial and attentive at the same time. Bernie was definitely off his game.

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
53. He was clearly not prepared for this debate
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jan 2016

He didn't have answers at the ready.
He lost what" ever " momentum he ever had last night .

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
15. He said it both before and after the debate.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jan 2016

It sounded like, "for me it's all about Bernie." Which wouldn't surprise me.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
42. Well, she's sadly lacking in the Visionary Coalition. She's got the entire Establishment Coalition
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jan 2016

behind her.

That's our choice, seems. It's almost like it's Goldman Sachs vs The Unions/workers/Middle Class (pretty much synonymous) or some such divide. We know who has been winning that contest.

Time to take the first steps in turning that around. We've not had the voice...especially since Goldman Sachs became a person. Now we do.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
19. Sanders dominated.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:15 AM
Jan 2016

Not even arguable in my opinion.

Almost all of the discussion revolved around Sen. Sanders' issues, ideas, proposals, and arguments.

He displayed the passion and energy of a President of the United States that will fight for me.

Mrs. Clinton was indeed the spokesperson for the status quo -- she was the Eisenhower Republican of this debate.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
20. His presence influenced the thinking of the "opinion makers" hosting the debate for the first time.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:19 AM
Jan 2016

The networks and moderators have treated him as a sideshow until now and suddenly the consensus has changed. Spotlight was on Bernie, he earned it and he nailed his message down.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
23. Hillary is such a hypocrite trying to hide behind Obama
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:21 AM
Jan 2016

8 years ago, she was attacking Obama for being for gun control and for criticizing her for supporting universal healthcare. Now she's trying to hide behind Obama while she's attacking Bernie for supporting universal healthcare, and supposedly being against gun control.

oasis

(49,381 posts)
30. I wouldn't expect TOAD to say anything favorable about Hillary.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:36 AM
Jan 2016

Very few here at DU can stand that clown ass excuse for a journalist.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
48. For the time being. But, he will revert back to being a toady for the 1% any moment now.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jan 2016

Then he will no longer be our toad as if he ever really was. I guess you could say he is a toad on loan.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
51. Toad on Loan...that's priceless. I love it ! But hell yes I'll take it.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jan 2016

Certainly didn't cost us anything, and if you look at ALL the MSM comments...almost all called Bernie the Winner. And all of them have poo-pooed and/or ignored him in the past and up until now.

He's earned his position the good old fashioned hard way...from the bottom up. That impresses many people and then the MSM began to cover him. Suddenly he's all the rage. He's new. He's fresh (nationally speaking). He's honest. He's trustworthy. He's consistent. No wonder he has the gravitas to lead a revolution of the middle class. Someone who won't sell them/us out. Lord know, what's left of it is in dire need.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
35. I found this creepy the way she kept doing it. People are angry, nothing has changed. So she just
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:54 AM
Jan 2016

wants to continue on in the same direction? OMG!

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
40. ChuckTodd, has been under the bus for years on DU....how nice of you
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jan 2016

....to suddenly think his opinion is of any value. But it seems the hypocricy of warm fuzzies vs. demonization here on DU is completely dependent up the like or dislike of one Bernie Sanders. Substance and history mean absolutely nothing here anymore. Thanks for the shining example.

awake

(3,226 posts)
43. Oh so sorry that I offended you by quoting Chuck
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jan 2016

Since NBC was the host of the debate I thought those who were not able to catch it may want to know how Chuck "spun" it. I was not taking sides just reporting the 1st words after the debate that he came out with.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
47. You quoted so one who has for a long time been considered an asshole
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jan 2016

There are reasons I left my post, and your apology is not accepted.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
49. So now we must be PC on the commentators? Maybe he's tired of being Under The Bus
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jan 2016

and not just on DU. Also, "Us" is changing and (for some of us) our favorite candidate is changing people's minds. What's hypocritical about that?

Yeah, and if Bill O'Reilly said it, I'd second his first right opinion in his career. God a problem with that, too? It's not so much the Messenger as the Message.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
50. Yes is You, Bernie supporters are also now crawling up Rove's butt.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jan 2016

You chuck Todd sudden loving, is transparent as hell.

awake

(3,226 posts)
56. Yes Chuck Todd I just reported what happened on NBC after the debate
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jan 2016

What do you think I should have said something else was said or someone else said it? After all I did not cut the deal with NBC the DNC and D.W.S. did.

underpants

(182,788 posts)
57. You're right that was snarky and lazy of me
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jan 2016

Chuck and Andrea Mitchell give us insight as to what was decided at the cocktail parties last night.

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