Hillary: The "No We Can't!" Candidate

[99th_Monkey]

Hillary: No We Can't!
By TomP * Monday Jan 18, 2016 * Kos

In 2008, Barack Obama campaigned on the theme of “Yes, We Can!” And while Barack Obama did not accomplish everything we and he wanted to, on many things he tried. When Rahm told him not to even try to reform healthcare because it was not practical, he tried anyway. The ACA is far from perfect. It left almost 30 million Americans behind. But it has helped millions and that’s good.

I’m not going to talk about Hillary’s misleading claims about Bernie, the ACA, and single payer. I want to talk about “No we can’t!”

Hillary talking about Barack Obama in February 2008:

“Maybe I’ve just lived a little long, but I have no illusions about how hard
this is going to be. You are not going to wave a magic wand and have the
special interests disappear!”

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-magic-wand/?_r=0

“No, We Can’t!”
Hillary in 2016 taking about Bernie Sanders:

I wish that we could elect a Democratic president who could wave a magic
wand and say, ‘We shall do this, and we shall do that.’ That ain’t the
real world we’re living in!

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-magic-wand/

“No, We Can’t!”
Hillary learned from the debacle in 1994 when her health care plan lost.

“No, We Can’t!”
When it comes to breaking up big banks:

“No, We Can’t!”
When it comes to a $15 an hour minimum wage:

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/18/1471309/-Hillary-No-We-Can-t

[Ed Suspicious]

1. Nope, no change.

[HerbChestnut]

2. I'll be accepting royalties, thanks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1025554

[99th_Monkey]

6. Haa! Gladly .. I saw your OP right after posting this from Kos

is that you TomP?

[HerbChestnut]

8. It is not.

But he sounds like a good guy

[thereismore]

20. Seriously. But I'm delighted that the meme is out there

not just on DU.

[JDPriestly]

23. A lot of this have noticed this negativity. I posted on it recently.

The negativity in the Clinton bunch is noteworthy.

It's grouchy. I'm not saying that Hillary is grouchy. But the "No we can't" attitude is a no go with me. I just can't buy it. I'm older than Hillary, but I'm not nearly that grouchy. I believe we can make a difference and we can have a good future if we work together to achieve what we need to do.

Hillary: No, no, no, can't be done, get real, etc. She puts up barriers all the time. It's like running for office and serving are a chore.

Whereas, for Bernie, running for office and serving once elected seem to be the purpose of his life.

Of course, I'm going to pick Bernie.

And I'm going to hope that Hillary's life changes so that she can be more positive.

[ViseGrip]

3. That was my take as well. What we want, we will not get. I'll never vote for her.

[99th_Monkey]

7. Obama has done well

Bernie is taking "Yes We Can" to the next level.

And I like that.

[99th_Monkey]

19. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1026372

[Ed Suspicious]

5. What do we want? Healthcare! When do we want it? Maybe later!

Hillary - There's no time like the future. Maybe. If it isn't too hard.

[Fawke Em]

10. That sould be her new slogan.

[Ed Suspicious]

14. Do you think they'll pass it if we don't ask them to?

[Ed Suspicious]

17. Sorry. Republican led Congress, would you please. . . oh never mind.

Sorry to bug you.

[99th_Monkey]

18. Aim high, give it our best shot. 29 Million Americans can't wait forever

they need health care NOW.

Bernie's refusing to just write them off as "collateral damage", and is going to fight
for them, with everything he's got.

Obama came into DC as the newcomer. Aimed low, then negotiated. ACA is better
than nothing, but there's no reason to simply give up on them and allow them to
suffer & die because we didn't even try.

[The Green Manalishi]

26. Healthcare is a right

Anyone who is not onboard with this differs not at all for ISI or the KKK as far as I am concerned.

If they don't think that universal access to healthcare is a RIGHT, they want to see me dead. Thus any actions I take or espouse against them are completely justified. *ALL*. I regard anyone against universal healthcare as having stated that I and my family should die, thus any action to eliminate them from influence upon the public discourse, by any means necessary, is justified.

that is how much understanding and dialog the republicans, and any (D) who disagrees deserve- exactly as much as I would give any other attacker who wished to terminate my corporeal existence.

[99th_Monkey]

27. That is the message --> "Fuck-off and die. We won't even try." nt

[99th_Monkey]

12. 29 Million uninsured Americans will just have to suffer, because "it's too hard" nt

[Faux pas]

13. Kickin'

[Douglas Carpenter]

15. knr - "NO WE CAN'T" - a perfect slogan for the Clinton campaign

[silenttigersong]

21. More like "No we wont"

Too many people making a killing off of healthcare,with @30,000,000 as collateral damage.

[AzDar]

22. Ayup.

[n2doc]

24. Pessimistic candidates rarely win elections

People want to hear that a person is going to try and fix the Nation's problems. Most of us are smart enough to know that those problems are going to be very hard to fix. But to not even try is just political poison.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

25. "No, We Can't" when it comes to Peace In Our Time.

[Thenewire]

28. Special interest is still a thing.

I don't understand how you can expect single payer to go through congress after ACA barely had enough votes to pass when the Democratic party had near full majority and Obama had incredible political capital. Of course this comes down to the fact that special interest are predominant but if you think about it. Some of these politicians might vote against a law like single payer in fear that some of their constituents who work for insurance companies might lose their jobs. It is a pathetic justification considering the improvements overall but it is a justification nevertheless. So the only solution here is for there to be a Socialist and Democratic party and hope that the Democratic party the second largest in order to pass single payer, completely removing the extremist republicans from the political sphere. Of course this will not happen any time soon and neither will single payer.

[99th_Monkey]

29. It's called momentum, and building on what Obama has done

too bad Hillary stole that last line (building on Obama's legacy) because it should belong
to Bernie. Single-payer is straightforward, and addresses the urgent need of 29 million
Americans who are still UN-insured altogether and millions more who are underinsured.

Obama aimed low, then negotiated for the crumbs left-over, and cobbled together what
he could salvage from his initial mistake of aiming low in the first place, an incredibly
complicated plan, with many vulnerabilities to law-suits and specious arguments with
some basis in truth. <-- this accounts for all these protracted legal hassles it's facing.

So is your answer to just abandon the idea altogether, that healthcare is a right? and
just let 'the little people' die by the thousands for lack of healthcare? Really?

[Thenewire]

30. It just wont go through congress.

And the problem is very complex, the industry is corrupt, the millionaires who profit from this system are inconsiderate assholes which need to be driven out of business. Implementing single payer will solve a lot of problems and no democrat I feel is arguing against that fact. Currently the argument is between irrational populism and pragmatic ideas. You do realize that at least nearly 1/3 of the nation has no problem in electing either Trump or Cruz? The cultural and political environment isn't ready to tackle these issues head on. A pragmatic politician might be able to change the course in order for a more progressive individual to carry over.

[99th_Monkey]

31. "It won't go thru Congress" <-- just like "Bernie can't ever win".

The people of this awesome nation are rising-up by the millions and saying otherwise, with
their hard-earned money and their precious time and energy, to say otherwise.

This does not stop in Nov 2016, this really is a 'political revolution" in the making that simply
won't take "no we can't, it's just to difficult" for an answer. <-- fuck that.

[Thenewire]

32. It will not happen.

The democratic party will not allow it. In essence it will not change, it has too much riding on being the centrist 'third-way' economic alternative to the insanity heralded by the republicans and conservatives who only exist to make humanity suffer. The only way I can see your vision panning out is if a split occurs within the democratic party creating a socialist alternative and the complete disintegration of the republican establishment. With Sanders there is too big of a power vacuum in the middle and when that happens the right-wingers take advantage.

[99th_Monkey]

33. Well then we simply disagree, which is fine.

I see no point in repeating ourselves back and forth any further. Have a great evening.

[Thenewire]

35. Same to you!

I just don't want to see the effort of the millions of people 8 years ago be in vain.

[EndElectoral]

34. MLK: "I have a dream." HRC: "No, we can't! I'm a pragmatist."

JFK said we could go to the moon. FDR promised Social Security to the elderly within a few years of the Great Depression. LBJ promised to enact Kennedy's goals and get Medicare through.

MLK spoke of "I have a dream."

HRC dreams and many of Hilary's supporters. "It's unrealistic." 'We can't get it through." " Impossible." ' A nice dream, but i'm a pragmatist." "We're the grown-ups."

Thank God for visionaries like MLK on this date and all the others who wouldn't accept "NO, we can't!"

Even Lincoln who would not accept that slavery couldn't be overturned.

HRC's message is unacceptable.

[Warren DeMontague]

36. It's the same shit she threw at Obama, crap about unicorns and fancy words.

Which is ironic, because I still remember her giving stump speeches in '92 talking about how nice it will be to wake up the morning after the election, and "birds are singing, the sun is shining, a refreshing breeze blows through the curtains, etc." because Bill had defeated Poppy.

I guess the magic only works for them.