2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHilary Clinton's New Progressive Alignment
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Who does Sanders think is a hero, anyway? Though he praised the examples of Truman and Roosevelt, he used the word only once yesterday, referring not to a progressive political giant nor to ordinary American people but, improbably, to King Abdullah, of Jordan, one of the very few heroes in an unheroic place, the Middle East. Abdullah is a complicated and fascinating figure and a longtime U.S. ally; there is a case to be made for him. He is also a monarch who has maintained a secret police and limits on freedom of expression and democracy in Jordan, who was a target rather than an ally of the Arab Spring. Late to foreign policy, unpracticed in it, Sanders emphasized the generational horror of ISIS and argued for working with unseemly regimes to defeat it: Russia, Iran. There was an unexpectedly pragmatic tone. In this, as in much else, Sanders didnt sound like the progressives to whom liberal American voters have long been accustomed. He sounded more difficult to fathom.
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Political legacies are specific things. The 2016 Democratic convention will be held, in July, at the Wells Fargo Center, in Philadelphia. King Abdullah will not walk on to that stage to be adored and to celebrate the nominee. Neither will Truman or Roosevelt. But Barack Obama will.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/hillary-clintons-new-progressive-alignment
global1
(25,285 posts)one of the reasons Bernie is doing so well is that he is authentic. People know that he means what he says as he's held to the same positions all his political career. They know that what you see with Bernie is what you get.
Hillary on the other hand is the consummate politician. She will say and do anything to get elected and once elected will look for excuses to not do what she was saying during the campaign.
The more I see of her in a debate situation like last night the more I'm convinced that she's saying whatever she needs to in order to win a vote. I don't see sincerity in her face. I see contempt in her eyes when a Sanders or O'Malley takes issue with her.
Fortunately she's good at what she does as she weasels her way around issues. She's had years to perfect her craft as a politician. Unfortunately for her - a lot of American's see that in Hillary.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Respectfully,
DSB
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)We need more love in this country and less anger.
Let's all be positive.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)She's not said a word since her pro-corporate anti-worker position back in 2007.
Progressive? NOT!!!! We're not stupid!
antigop
(12,778 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Does anyone really think Bill Clinton (especially) would be able to pass up opportunities to dig at Obama?
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Hillary spent the night arguing for limitations. She cautioned about making health care better, she cautioned against any progressive change. But I get how projection works, and she is a pro at it.
Hillary's constant Obama name-dropping was a thinly-veiled attempt to save her own rear end. Completely disingenuous and desperate.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)and then hop onto the wagon.
I voted for him. Doubted he could do what he wanted, given he was new to the system and Black and all. I saw enough of HRC to last a lifetime or two. But, he tried, I'll give him that. And he's working on it now he doesn't have an election to face, but Progressive? Perhaps on a few positions. But I believe he will go down as one of our best Presidents for many other reasons.
Hillary Clinton, you're no Barack Obama. (wording from some far past debate)
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)a completely different story. She's just a calculating opportunist who doesn't seem to have any core ideals other than "It's my turn!"
Number23
(24,544 posts)I'm not sure that was unintended.
Late to foreign policy, unpracticed in it, Sanders emphasized the generational horror of ISIS and argued for working with unseemly regimes to defeat it: Russia, Iran. There was an unexpectedly pragmatic tone. In this, as in much else, Sanders didnt sound like the progressives to whom liberal American voters have long been accustomed. He sounded more difficult to fathom.
Good read. Thanks for posting.