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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:39 PM Jan 2016

Hilary Clinton's New Progressive Alignment



A devilishly shrewd idea emerged during the past few weeks from Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign. Rather than argue that her left-wing rival, Bernie Sanders, is simply too radical to be President, as she did at first, Clinton has decided to insist instead that the Vermonter is not progressive enough. Because Sanders has for decades been the only national political figure willing to call himself a socialist, this strategy at first seemed either strange or cynical. But it has been gathering momentum, first when Sanders struggled to defend his record on gun control and then when Chelsea Clinton, the once and perhaps future First Daughter, gave a pointed speech arguing that Sanders’s insistence on “dismantling” Obamacare to build a more radical health-insurance program would, effectively, “strip millions and millions of people of their health insurance.” In the debate last night, this tactic looked clearer, and more effective, than it had before. Sanders’s ideology is an imperfect fit with the institutional progressivism that Democratic primary voters have spent years working for; perhaps, in certain ways, it even undermines it. Clinton’s bet is that the political compass for her party’s primary voters does not point true left, to the Scandinavian social projects that Sanders so admires, but to the tangible gains that Democrats have won. She came to praise Barack Obama. Norway be damned.

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Who does Sanders think is a hero, anyway? Though he praised the examples of Truman and Roosevelt, he used the word only once yesterday, referring not to a progressive political giant nor to ordinary American people but, improbably, to King Abdullah, of Jordan, “one of the very few heroes in an unheroic place,” the Middle East. Abdullah is a complicated and fascinating figure and a longtime U.S. ally; there is a case to be made for him. He is also a monarch who has maintained a secret police and limits on freedom of expression and democracy in Jordan, who was a target rather than an ally of the Arab Spring. Late to foreign policy, unpracticed in it, Sanders emphasized the generational horror of ISIS and argued for working with unseemly regimes to defeat it: Russia, Iran. There was an unexpectedly pragmatic tone. In this, as in much else, Sanders didn’t sound like the progressives to whom liberal American voters have long been accustomed. He sounded more difficult to fathom.

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Political legacies are specific things. The 2016 Democratic convention will be held, in July, at the Wells Fargo Center, in Philadelphia. King Abdullah will not walk on to that stage to be adored and to celebrate the nominee. Neither will Truman or Roosevelt. But Barack Obama will.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/hillary-clintons-new-progressive-alignment




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global1

(25,285 posts)
1. The Dem American Voters Are Smart Enough And Are Wise To The Old 'Bait And Switch' Campaign....
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jan 2016

one of the reasons Bernie is doing so well is that he is authentic. People know that he means what he says as he's held to the same positions all his political career. They know that what you see with Bernie is what you get.

Hillary on the other hand is the consummate politician. She will say and do anything to get elected and once elected will look for excuses to not do what she was saying during the campaign.

The more I see of her in a debate situation like last night the more I'm convinced that she's saying whatever she needs to in order to win a vote. I don't see sincerity in her face. I see contempt in her eyes when a Sanders or O'Malley takes issue with her.

Fortunately she's good at what she does as she weasels her way around issues. She's had years to perfect her craft as a politician. Unfortunately for her - a lot of American's see that in Hillary.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
6. Why do you seem so angry?
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jan 2016

We need more love in this country and less anger.

Let's all be positive.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
4. So how is she more progressive than Bernie on H-1b and other "guest worker" programs?...
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jan 2016

She's not said a word since her pro-corporate anti-worker position back in 2007.



Progressive? NOT!!!! We're not stupid!

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
7. I can't see Obama entrusting his legacy to Hillary and Bill.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jan 2016

Does anyone really think Bill Clinton (especially) would be able to pass up opportunities to dig at Obama?

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
10. So NOW she's progressive? The irony of this article is something to behold.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:32 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary spent the night arguing for limitations. She cautioned about making health care better, she cautioned against any progressive change. But I get how projection works, and she is a pro at it.

Hillary's constant Obama name-dropping was a thinly-veiled attempt to save her own rear end. Completely disingenuous and desperate.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
12. I don't know of anyone but Ms. Clinton who could try to hitch up Obama and Progressive
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jan 2016

and then hop onto the wagon.

I voted for him. Doubted he could do what he wanted, given he was new to the system and Black and all. I saw enough of HRC to last a lifetime or two. But, he tried, I'll give him that. And he's working on it now he doesn't have an election to face, but Progressive? Perhaps on a few positions. But I believe he will go down as one of our best Presidents for many other reasons.

Hillary Clinton, you're no Barack Obama. (wording from some far past debate)

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
13. Gawd, if she had an ounce of sincerity or authenticity in her this whole thing would be
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jan 2016

a completely different story. She's just a calculating opportunist who doesn't seem to have any core ideals other than "It's my turn!"

Number23

(24,544 posts)
16. This is a really interesting and nuanced article.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jan 2016
Sanders drew a contrast with Clinton last night. But he may have drawn it more starkly than he intended—a clear line, yes, but one that put the President on the other side.


I'm not sure that was unintended.


Late to foreign policy, unpracticed in it, Sanders emphasized the generational horror of ISIS and argued for working with unseemly regimes to defeat it: Russia, Iran. There was an unexpectedly pragmatic tone. In this, as in much else, Sanders didn’t sound like the progressives to whom liberal American voters have long been accustomed. He sounded more difficult to fathom.


Good read. Thanks for posting.
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