2016 Postmortem
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Michael A. Cohen
Bernie Sanders doesnt get how politics works
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/01/18/bernie-sanders-doesn-get-how-politics-works/GYDR7MTl0Vu3TSAHRMWipJ/story.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed..
By Michael A. Cohen January 18, 2016
Sunday night, I watched the fourth Democratic presidential debate so you didnt have to.
Initial impression: Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and democracy won. This was a substantive debate, devoid of the histrionics, name-calling, and fact-free pronouncements that are pro forma in the Republican presidential confabs. Both of the leading candidates did a good job of playing to their respective bases of support. Clinton came across as the pragmatic, level-headed, wont-rock-the-boat candidate; Sanders as the passionate reformer who wants to start a revolution. As for Martin OMalley, he seems like a nice man who has no chance of being elected president.
Now for my deeper impression of the debate: even with his rising poll numbers in Iowa and New Hampshire, I find it increasingly difficult to take Sanders seriously as a presidential candidate.
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Maybe its that Sanders finds a way to answer virtually every question by turning it back to another predictable and one-dimensional attack on Wall Street and big money.
Maybe its that he gets away with proposing unrealistic policy ideas that have little chance of being passed even by Democrats in Congress, let alone Republicans, and then gets praised for being authentic. Sunday night Sanders finally released his single-payer health care plan, which is all of eight pages and provides little detail on how hell implement a complete restructuring of the US health care system. Thats at least an improvement over his plan for breaking up the banks, which is four pages and just as short on detail...............................
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Especially on his big issue.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)those ass hats?
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)For starters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511024967
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)brentspeak
(18,290 posts)establishment media weasels?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...who was a Harvard law professor. Sanders co-sponsored her bill.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/1709/text
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)BY MICHAEL A. COHEN
Trump ran circles around all of his opponents.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/01/16/donald-trump-big-winner-debate/jdp6C9LJzU6VVuZ4i2kHOO/story.html
Vattel
(9,289 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I love the days following debates, every hack from Timbuktu to Sheboygan is trotted out as some kind of "expert".
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)can't see past their own nose.
It's either black or white.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I know I can't wait to hear how the guys at work would have done everything differently if they'd just been on that field!
And hey, the guy did gush on about how awesome Trump was so why not listen to what he has to say about Bernie?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Someone working in a think tank must know more.
For the sarcasm impaired >>----->
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Perfect case in point.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Sanders' fantasies will take him the rest of the way out of contention.
Not that his proposals are bad things. They are too wonderful. I also learned Santa Claus was not real but a fantasy.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)If something seems too good to be true, it may require effort- and that would be hard. So we might as well keep what we got. At least they toss us a bone every once in a blue moon.
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bvar22
(39,909 posts)...at considerable cost savings and improved Health Care for their entire population and visitors is a fantasy???!!!
Another No. We. Can't! post.
Americans can NOT have what every other developed nation takes for granted....
and someone will vote FOR that shit???
NJCher
(35,662 posts)Remember when GWB stole his first presidential election? Well, there was a very short time right afterwards where no one articulated that it was theft. Then Vincent Bugliosi said it, and enough people jumped on it that he later came out with a book.
Not long after, a huge number of people began viewing that election as a theft.
Well, somebody has to articulate that we, too, can have social programs like universal health care. Other countries have it. In fact, we stand alone as the only major country with such a poor healthcare system. Is that too much to effing ask? Is that too much to imagine?
Wow, if it is, this country is a lot farther gone than I thought it was.
Cher
Gman
(24,780 posts)Is the day the media recount result was to be announced, a plane crashed in NYC.
Not to change the subject.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)meh... Hillary supporters are sure trying hard to get those establishment talking points out today. And the establishment sure is scrambling to find something to nail Bernie on.
Both are failing miserably.
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SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)healthcare - education - ... on so many issues American falls behind most of the developed world
They can do it - anyone who says that we can not do it is spreading bullshit
Agony
(2,605 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I wonder how many pages the writer feels would be appropriate for a plan 10,000? 1,000? 500? 100?
Why does it have to be detailed and specific. He has a good idea how to do it, but he's also going to need input from others, in a final bill. Should he have to list every detail specifically? Does HRC have all of her Wall Street proposals complete down to which bank she's going to tell to "cut it out" next?
earthside
(6,960 posts)Enough already of the let's not even try because "that's not how politics works" in America today.
We know what works: SuperPACs; Citizens United; big money lobbyists; big campaign contributions; conflicts of interest; corporate welfare; tax loopholes; etc.
The Hillarians are taking us down the path of acceptance of the Koch brothers formula for how government and politics ought to work.
Bernie Sanders knows exactly how politics works -- it is corrupt and needs to change.
Mr. Cohen has actually written about a Sanders virtue.
No more politics as usual; this time we can advocate for our ideals.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)One he is pretty good at. There isn't enough out there to make judgement on the other....
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)That's no way to run this country. Gotta take the bribes, right?
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)"doesn't know how politics works". Maybe it's simply because he knows how "people work".
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)The trouble with Sanders' position is that the only way to get rid of Citizens United is to win in 2016. There is no practical way to past a constitutional amendment or statute that would survive the current SCOTUS review. The best way to deal with Citizens United is to win and to change the SCOTUS. President Obama was against Citizens United but had to use a super pac in 2012 to keep the contest close. Hillary Clinton is against Citizens United and has committed to only appoint SCOTUS justices who will vote to overturn this decision https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/14/hillary-clintons-litmus-test-for-supreme-court-nominees-a-pledge-to-overturn-citizens-united/
Clinton's emphatic opposition to the ruling, which allowed corporations and unions to spend unlimited sums on independent political activity, garnered the strongest applause of the afternoon from the more than 200 party financiers gathered in Brooklyn for a closed-door briefing from the Democratic candidate and her senior aides, according to some of those present.
"She got major applause when she said would not name anybody to the Supreme Court unless she has assurances that they would overturn" the decision, said one attendee, who, like others, requested anonymity to describe the private session.
If the make-up of the court does not change by 2017, four of the justices will be 78 years of age or older by the time the next president is inaugurated.
This is the only practical way to undo the damage done by Citizen United in that it will be impossible to get a constitutional amendment through congress and the states to undo this decision. That means that if you want to get rid of Citizens United, then one must support a candidate who can win in 2016 and support the most viable general election candidate.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Some say Berniecare would increase total federal spending by at least 55%
Link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/01/18/bernie-sanders-incredible-28-trillion-plan-to-replace-obamacare-with-single-payer-health-care/#2715e4857a0b759bb8091bba
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Because it would save about, 1.2 trillion dollars per year. http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/02/02/annual-u-s-healthcare-spending-hits-3-8-trillion/#2715e4857a0b3136187d313d
GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)The reason is GREED.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)How many elections has hillary made it through......and successfully
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)It is you and you op article that is naive.