Wait - What happened to the juggernaut

[Punkingal]

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/20/1472311/-Wait-What-happened-to-the-juggernaut


Hillary Clinton built the most formidable campaign team ever assembled — an all-star squad that included many from the group that led Obama to two victories and was considered by most political observers to be the best ever.

They would use the latest data mining technology and voter tracking systems to target voters and GOTV.

Her epic campaign would put paid staffers in all 50 states (at least for a couple of weeks) and build a true 50-state strategy.

Endorsements would be non-stop, with fellow pols and organizations lining up to sing her praises.

More at link......

[Ferd Berfel]

1. One of the Most CORPORATE campaign teasm ever

[Punkingal]

3. This is a very amusing article.

"He’s a socialist! Run for your lives!”

It’s come down to that for the vaunted Clinton juggernaut.

[TheBlackAdder]

23. Observations from a Neutral Primary Candiate, Democrat poli-sci student.

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I'm a fifty-something neutral poli-sci continuing ed student, asked to upgrade to honors level, and I am uncommitted.

I am a staunch Democrat and only want to see a Dem in the White House and in down ballot elections.


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I'm seeing a lot of people here who have lost their objectivity, polarized to one candidate or another. As someone who looks at this through the lens of critical analysis, I am seeing a small group (10 or so) in both the HRC and SBS sides going at it for months. Both sides were flaring up and I thought about stepping away for awhile, when things were getting really ugly.


Truth be told, the HRC campaign made some serious mistakes that are now coming home to roost. Whether there was influence on the DNC or what, that cast a really huge presentation of a rigged system. I care about getting the Dem message out, and it's hard to do when the debates are limited. But, that seems to be an almost moot point, even though DWS can schedule more debates midweek--they just don't want to.


The co-opting of SBS ideas, several weeks after SBS adopts them and they gain traction, followed by HRC slowly backing off of them leaves those who are politically savvy wondering what does she really believe in? That was transparent to those studying politics.


Now, her complete reversal of Single Payer is the most stupefying move I have ever seen in politics (and I've seen a lot). Here is someone touting it for decades, and then all of a sudden comes out against it. Not only that, but Howard Dean, who works for a law form supporting the industry echos that position in an almost coordinated manner. The red flags immediately go up!


Whether people like my posts or not, I am trying to tell it the way I see it. (Oh, based on some good info, she's lost most of the Northeast, possibly retaining CT and maybe MA, but MA is looking doubtful.) The only way to really see this is to detach from the candidates. I took a wonderful 'Women and Politics' course, and I swore HRC was going to walk away with this last year. I would really like to see a gender change in the high office, even though there are great institutional barriers in place. But, when I see HRC, someone I've loved since the 1990's, do and say the things she is doing in her campaign--it's really upsetting. This brings flashbacks of 2008 and her actions are self-destructive. There are no other forces causing this damage, but her and her campaign's actions. (To my SBS fans, I love Bernie too. For me, this contest is the best match-up that could occur. It puts old versus new political styles in play, with two very strong opponents.)


Campaigns want people to donate $3 dollars. Why? It's not for the money, political science shows that even $1 will politically align a donor with a candidate. The more small donations a candidate gets, the larger their base becomes. HRC still seems to struggle in this area. It's not a good sign, especially when you break those numbers down on a state by state basis. Extrapolated out, she's hurting in many states.


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[passiveporcupine]

25. OMG your avatar!

But I agree with your assessment.

[TheBlackAdder]

27. I dislike Blue Dogs, they're just rebranded Reagan Republicans. What can I say? :-)

[passiveporcupine]

30. OK...I didn't get the connection. I just saw a cute puppy!

[TheBlackAdder]

35. It is a cute puppy. Look closer ;-)

[passiveporcupine]

36. Oh, I saw the tire tracks and blood

That's what had me aghast!

[cherokeeprogressive]

2. JuggerNOT?

[KansDem]

5. !!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

7. A knotty question.

Yesterday, I got push polled by her supper PAC (during dinner. Of course). I politely listened to the real live human person reading me her text. It attacked the GOP, it attacked Bernie, and made hilarry sound as though she was the third coming of the lard. After I answered 10, 12 questions, I was asked to donate to Hillary's PAC. I advised her, again. politely, that I had met Hillary, that I cannot stand nor trust Hillary, and that I was firmly in the Bernie camp

As polite as she was, it seemed that she was getting a lot of responses like that.

[JonLeibowitz]

10. DUzy!!

[winter is coming]

4. It was all an illusion, as many here guessed a lot time ago. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

13. A Grand Illusion:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. It was hit by its own baggage car.

[Punkingal]

8. ...

[kath]

11. Ha!

[A Simple Game]

22. Oh, that is a good one. Thanks for the laugh. n/t

[kath]

9. Slip slidin' away, slip slidin' away...

[thereismore]

12. Juggernaut was built for a weak candidate. nt

[NightWatcher]

14. She was supposed to win in 2008 as well but lost to a black guy with a middle name "Hussein"

She got spooked at this same point in the primaries in 2008 and went negative and appeared panicked.

As long as Bernie stays the course, I believe he'll be fine.

[Arugula Latte]

15. As Larry Wilmore put it, "Hillary is getting Obama'ed by an old white guy."

[Punkingal]

16. LOL....

From the article:

"WTF"

[PowerToThePeople]

17. something like this?

[Punkingal]

18. Also from the article:

"Where Did This Guy Come From?"

[Warren DeMontague]

19. because they left out one minor detail, namely, actually convincing people to support them.

I think they figured that as long as they built the external trappings of a campaign, soft-focus videos, some nice sounding but ultimately meaningless catchphrases- "the middle class needs a champion", and like you said, an endorsement list that includes simply everyone, dah-ling! ... then the mere fact that it was Hillary™ would be enough to give her the thing by a landslide. By default.



I think it never occurred to them that they might actually have to, you know, compete on the playing field of actual issues and policy proposals.

[sorechasm]

34. Deaf ears to good criticism didn't help.

There's hardly a fault mentioned that wasn't pointed out on numerous occasions, but they refused to listen or adjust.

Incapacity to change, a liberal does not make. - Yoda?

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Both she and the people who threw tons of donations to Jeb! thought this would be a status quo cycle

it is not.

[zeemike]

43. There was never supposed to be anyone running against her.

Just some unknown names like O'Mally and Web. And I believe she made sure Warren did not run.
And when Sanders first announced she was not worried at all...thought him just another no-body.

But the best laid plans of mice and men they say, often go astray.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Yeah, the hubris was a problem from the get-go.

She figured it was hers by default, "her turn". She just had to show up with some soft focus videos and a nice logo and claim it.

[kas125]

20. I don't know why anyone is surprised. The People overwelmingly rejected her eight years ago

and they will do so again. Why anyone thought it would be different this time is what I don't understand; we didn't want her then and we don't want her now.

[Ino]

29. She thought it was hers this time...

because she intimidated everyone who might run against her. It was going to be an unopposed cakewalk! The "boutique" candidate -- one person who couldn't be bought or bribed or intimidated -- was so beneath her notice she never mentioned Sanders' name, acting like she was running against Republicans instead. Soiree-ing around to fundraisers, having tea with hand-picked commoners on her "listening tour," she wasn't campaigning as much as she was taking a victory lap.

It's so sweet watching her fall apart.

[840high]

46. It's very, very sweet.

[ejbr]

24. I'll tell you what happened

A Sanders surrogate got his hands on unimportant information (according to the vendor) and used it in unimportant ways, making this theory unimportant.

[Punkingal]

31. ....

[Jack Rabbit]

26. That's an easy one

The candidate is flawed. With Americans an anti-establishment mood, she presents herself as the establishment candidate and whatever attempts she makes to distance herself from the oligarchy appear halfhearted and are therefore completely unconvincing.

All the oligarchs' horses and all the oligarchs' men can't clothe the Empress once the little boy points out that she's naked.

[NCjack]

28. Yeah, I like that about the oligarchs and the naked. She also has some

naked surrogates and agents.

[Jack Rabbit]

32. Perhaps we can say "all the oligarchs' PR firms"?

[NCjack]

39. Can you work in Sweet Debbie?

[Motown_Johnny]

33. Mired in quicksand, lashing out mindlessly and sinking quickly.

Maybe the juggernaut can't be stopped, but it isn't moving in the direction they expected.

[Le Taz Hot]

37. They ignored a 51% disapproval rating.

What part of THEY HATE HER aren't they understanding here?

[Punkingal]

42. +1

[Still In Wisconsin]

40. Unsinkable! Undefeatable! Inevitable...

um, in trouble.

[Smarmie Doofus]

41. The Sanders Movement is a catastrophe for the entire election industry.

From consultants on down to the networks and their parent multinationals.

Gonna be a lot of "professionals" and "insiders" looking for less exalted ( and more modestly remunerated) work come Jan. 2017.

Gooooooooooooood !!!!!

[Warren DeMontague]

45. I don't know why anyone listens to the fucking beltway conventional wisdom asshats.

They're still operating like it is 2004, that "Security Moms" and "Values Voters" rule the day. That's why Hillary gets up there and tries to pass off inanities like "Being supported by huge Wall St. Entities is okay because nineeleven". Listening to her, you would think that the biggest concern of the electorate is that apple is letting people encrypt their iphones.

You won't get fifteen seconds on the topic of marijuana legalization (despite 4 states and counting) but you will get lots of platitudes and promises for billions of dollars to fight the failed drug war because of "the addiction crisis". And so on.