Dear Hillary: RED BAIT People Like Me and Lose My Vote In ANY Election

[Segami]

I will not stand by and let you use Socialists as a political target and give you my vote. Ever.

I wouldn’t do it for a candidate who uses anti-gay smears to get votes.

I wouldn’t do it for a candidate who uses racism to get votes—a major reason I couldn’t stand you in 2008.

You do not have permission to trade my dignity or the dignity of the left as currency to finance your ambition, devoid of conscience as it clearly is.

Should there be anyone in your camp, or any other, who wants to accuse me of helping to elect a Republican because I demand to be treated with respect as part of the coalition, please be advised: it is you and your set who believe that for every vote you lose on the left, you gain more than one on the right.

That is your calculation, not mine.

Loyalty and decency do not require me to serve as a willing target for an ambitious, amoral campaign. If that means ejection from what’s left of the coalition trying to elect a Democrat, please remember: i will already be gone.

I don’t care if you or your “centrists” are angry or dismissive. I don’t care about your career. I will not see my kind trashed by you and give you my vote.

Again, that is your calculation, Madame Secretary, not mine. I hope you’ll be happy with the results.

And yes, that is a portrait of Eugene V. Debs, a person with a level of integrity and care for working people you will never, ever understand, let alone achieve.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/20/1472562/-Dear-Hillary-Red-Bait-People-Like-Me-and-Lose-My-Vote-In-ANY-Election

[beam me up scottie]

1. Ouch.

K & R!

[CorporatistNation]

37. Way To Fucking Go! You Are Echoing the Sentiment of A HUGGGGEEE Number of People

which derived from this dirty crap just serves to demonstrate ... ONE MORE TIME... just how little character and integrity Mrs Clinton possesses in her own right. Entirely her doing with not another soul to blame...

I don't care about surrogates doing the dirty shit... THIS IS Madame' Secretary's campaign and which has been afforded EVERY MOTHER EFFING ADVANTAGE FROM WALL STREET CA$H TO A BOUGHT AND PAID FOR IN THE TANK CORPORATIST MEDIA...notwithstanding BULLSHIT ENDORSEMENTS BY THE LEADERSHIP OF MAJOR UNIONS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE IGNORED THE WISHES OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP e.g., As noted above.

Clinton Incorporated has it all and cannot even begin to win fair and square!

People are not listening to this crap, and we in fact fully expected this shit when the road got a little bit bumpy!

The fact is that the background and history associated with Bernie's major primary opponent (anointed front runner/inevitable nominee), is far more of a drag on her own campaign than anything that Bernie can say or do to detract from her candidacy.

Bernie offers a sincere and well thought out path of hope that his opponent's mealy mouth incrementalism coupled with syrupy lip service cannot and will not fly against. People are demanding... sincerity, truth and integrity this election associated with a drive for real palpable change...

Bernie Sanders offers that script while the Clinton Incorporated campaign cannot and never will.

[beam me up scottie]

41. You don't need to convince me, I've been a Bernista since the early 80's.

I never dreamed that the senator from my home state would have such a huge following.

[Hortensis]

80. Liberals don't red bait. Conservatives do.

Hillary is a liberal, and by far most of her supporters are liberal and independents. VERY few conservatives.

P.S., the vast majority of us are also fine with and/or strongly support socialization of systems that work particularly well that way, like medicine.

[beam me up scottie]

97. Better inform your associates here.

They seem to be confused about which side of the aisle they're on.

[Hortensis]

110. No. My associates often say they would vote for both candidates.

A bunch of them say that right here on DU, and often.

Unfortunately, some others just seem to need opponents to vanquish far more than they want allies to pursue victory with -- even when that means their designated opponents are their natural allies who are pursuing the same goals.

[beam me up scottie]

112. What are you on about? What does that have to do with red baiting?

Anyone who red baits to smear a Dem candidate is no ally, imo.

There's another name for that kind of behaviour and it rhymes with bat trucking.

[Hortensis]

116. Liberals don't red bait. Conservatives do.

[beam me up scottie]

120. Since they red bait you just reclassified several of your associates here as conservatives.

I agree with you, ANYONE who red baits isn't a liberal.

Thanks for clearing that up!

[PatrynXX]

103. do'h.

yeah and I'm the Easter Bunny.

[Hortensis]

117. Hillary is a liberal and her supporters liberals and independents.

[Art_from_Ark]

137. Hillary is not a liberal

She is an opportunist. She is a "liberal" to one group when the need arises, a "centrist" or "moderate" to another, a hardliner to yet another. She has been a corporatist since at least her early days in Arkansas as a corporate lawyer who worked against residential utility ratepayers in Little Rock, even going so far as to claim in court that giving residential utility customers a break on their rates would amount to "unconstitutional confiscation of property". She was best buds with Arkansas's richest Republicans in her later days as the state's first lady, and she got "Mr. Arkansas Republican", Jackson Stephens, to help fund her husband's 1992 presidential campaign.

As President Bill Clinton's wife, she supported some of her husband's really crappy legislation, including "the end of welfare as we know it", and repeal of Glass-Steagall. As Senator from New York, she championed the "vast right-wing conspiracy's" bogus case for war against Iraq. She has supported regime change in secular Middle-Eastern countries that has resulted in chaos and loss of rights for women in those countries. And now she is red-baiting Bernie, who is no more left than Robert Kennedy was.

Really, she is NOT a liberal.

[Hortensis]

141. Ridiculous premise. Hillary is a progressive liberal.

This is basic stuff, Art. Intro to Politics.

[robbob]

106. "No true Scotsman...."

...that's your argument?

[Hortensis]

118. Hillary is a PROGRESSIVE liberal.

Her supporters are all PROGRESSIVES by definition as they want to tackle and fix large problems, using the power of government as needed.

[arcane1]

129. Like the progressively-resolved problem of Saddam's WMDs and al-Qaeda membership?

[Hortensis]

142. "Clinton...always been..pretty far to the left."

Last edited Fri Jan 22, 2016, 07:27 AM - Edit history (1)

From FiveThirtyEight: "Hillary Clinton Was Liberal. Hillary Clinton Is Liberal.
A bunch of reporters have recently discovered a shocking truth: Hillary Clinton is liberal! (I heard a rumor that Columbo has been helping with the investigation.)

We’ve gotten this raft of “Clinton is liberal” exposés as Clinton has revved up her 2016 campaign, speaking out in support of gay marriage, a pathway to citizenship for immigrants in the U.S. illegally, and criminal justice reform. But what many of these articles miss is that Clinton has always been, by most measures, pretty far to the left. When she’s shifted positions, it has been in concert with the entire Democratic Party."

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/

[840high]

59. k/r

[lewebley3]

94. Their is not red bate: Sanders is a socialist he choice to be one Himself

[beam me up scottie]

99. Well that was coherent.

[geardaddy]

107. I wonder if Red bating [sic] is like masturbating. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

108. They want our precious bodily fluids...

[green917]

115. that's why...

I only drink grain alcohol and rain water.

[beam me up scottie]

121. No flouride in your dihydrogen monoxide!

[geardaddy]

122. Jack D. Ripper

[beam me up scottie]

123. Some folks seem to think that was a documentary.

[H2O Man]

111. yikes!

[Bohunk68]

130. Just checked out lewebely3 stats, interesting.

Status is in review, 0% chance of serving on a jury. Tells a lot.

[beam me up scottie]

132. I didn't notice that.

That is interesting.

[zazen]

109. I hope you feel better--seriously, whether it's flu or exhaustion. Get some rest. n/t

[dorkzilla]

119. Another day, another incoherent one liner.

By the way, SOCIALIST is not the same thing as COMMUNIST.

[kath]

2. Great piece! Thanks to the person who wrote it on DailyKos, and to you for posting it here.

[roguevalley]

21. my grandpa was a socialist and got blackballed trying to organize a

Railroad union. I am a trillion percent with the op

[kath]

45. Both of my grandpas were union organizers back in the '30s and '40s. At least one of them was

Blackballed for this. My dad was president of the faculty union at his college, and led them out on strike over healthcare benefits.

Both of my Dad's parents were Irish immigrants. When my dad was growing up, a pic of the Sacred Heart of Jesus hung on one wall of their living room and a picture of FDR on another. How appalled they would be to see what has happened to the Party of the New Deal.

[Metric System]

3. Hillary isn't responsible when people tangentially connected to her say and do things that displease

you.

[thereismore]

6. Haha, like Claire McCaskill is "tangentially" connected to Hillary?

More like Siamese twins those two.

[Metric System]

9. Bull. McCaskill is supporting her bid for the presidency but she is NOT close with the Clintons. She

speaks for herself, not the campaign.

[thereismore]

10. She is her attack person. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

87. . . . with just enough distance for plausible deniability.

[pangaia]

23. My ass she doesn't speak for the campaign.

Biden.. we don't need socialism wasn't for the campaign either, eh.

And the rest of the exact same communist references that are about to start popping out.

[CorporatistNation]

38. Get Reallll!

[Armstead]

57. Yeah, funny how she and other "independent thinkers" all say the same thing at the same time

[CoffeeCat]

104. McCaskill DOES and IS speaking for Hillary Clinton and her campaign.

Who are you kidding? Just like Hillary used Nebraska Senator to enter my state of Iowa, in 08, and declar during a press conference, "I just love it that his name is Barack Hussein Obama!" Yeah, Hillary often tasks her cohorts with speaking the dirty words for her. To suggest that Clinton and McCaskill are not working in tandem, is ludicrous.

Kerrey later apologized for his remarks. I doubt that McCaskill will.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Claire McCaskill Headed to Iowa to Campaign For Hillary Clinton"

With Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton in a tight race in Iowa, Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill will head to the Hawkeye State this weekend to campaign for the Democratic frontrunner.

McCaskill will join fellow Sens. Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii and Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota in a series of stops in eastern Iowa, which tends to be the most Democratic part of the state.

The group will focus on Clinton’s “commitment to moving America forward by guaranteeing women’s right to make their own health-care choices,” a statement from Clinton’s campaign said. “Hillary Clinton will always stand up for Planned Parenthood and for a woman’s right to choose.”

The group will stop in Mount Vernon, Dubuque, Waterloo and Mason City Friday and Saturday. Baldwin will make an additional stop on Saturday in Iowa City.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article54098965.html

[hobbit709]

8. "Tangentially"? WTF? Do you expect anyone to be dumb enough to believe that one.

The spinning at Camp Weathervane must be redlining the turbine blades by now.

[Metric System]

12. Where's your proof that she's being told by the campaign to do this?

[hobbit709]

13. Where's your proof that she has absolutely no connection to the campaign?

You started this spin post, you prove your claim.

[pangaia]

30. The same 'proof' that told me Saddam didn't have any WMDs.

My fucking common sense.

[PowerToThePeople]

35. For me it was

the NATO weapons inspectors on the ground in Iraq saying that they had no WMDs that got me to believe that he did not have any WMDs.

[pangaia]

62. Well, yes. That too. Hans Blix knew the score.

[morningfog]

31. Give me a decade and a FOIA request.

For fucks sake, have the backbone to step the fuck up and own it.

It's pathetic to watch you and your ilk try to have it both ways. This is why you LOST in 2008 and why you will LOSE in 2016.

[Segami]

15. ROFL!

"..The spinning at Camp Weathervane must be redlining the turbine blades by now..."

[pangaia]

29. I thought of this..

WIKI--
"The turbofan or fanjet is a type of airbreathing jet engine that is widely used in aircraft propulsion. The word "turbofan" ........."refers to a gas turbine engine which takes mechanical energy from combustion,[1] and the fan, a ducted fan that uses the mechanical energy from the gas turbine to accelerate air rearwards.

"...whereas all the air taken in by a turbojet passes through the turbine" .......," in a turbofan some of that air bypasses the turbine. A turbofan thus can be thought of as a turbojet being used to drive a ducted fan, with both of those contributing to the thrust."

Claire McCaskill, and it now looks like Biden, is/are the air that bypasses the turbine.

And in the end, it is all just hot air anyway.

I was going to edit this better, but I have already had a couple margaritas.

[CorporatistNation]

40. Well Conceived... Nice Job!

[Melissa G]

44. ROFL!

[senz]

63. This is where the internet becomes educational.

I kind of knew what a turbine was but had no idea about "redlining." Thought maybe it was an accounting term. So good ol' wikipedia informed me that the red area on the tachometer is called the red lines. Nice to know. Thanks!

And, as a bonus, it's an apt metaphor for Camp Weathervane's spin operation. So thanks again!

[DemocraticWing]

16. Oh I see, Senators aren't connected to candidates but Twitter supporters are.

[A Simple Game]

24. Now how does that go? I have read it a thousand times on DU.... Oh, I remember!

It goes something like this; " I really like Bernie and would like to support him but if his supporters are going to be so mean and lie about Hillary I just can't support Bernie."

Sound familiar to you? So... "I would really like to support Hillary but her supporters and spokespersons are so mean and lie all the time so I really can't support her."

Goose and Gander.

[morningfog]

27. BULLSHIT and you know it. Don't play fucking stupid.

We both know you aren't.

[TBF]

138. Nice try.

[thereismore]

4. Bernie wrote a book about Eugene V. Dobs.

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Actually I take that back. It was a documentary that he made.

[pangaia]

33. He also read Marx, Engels, et al.

That PROVES he is a Red Communist.

10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 - -----

[thereismore]

36. So did I. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

88. Yeah me to. You know what? I actually learned something from it.

[OilemFirchen]

5. Well. SHE's toAstT now!

[Motown_Johnny]

7. How can they not see that this will backfire?

Honestly, I just don't get it. Even being desperate doesn't account for this one.




http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/17/1471163/-Red-dawn-More-Iowa-Democratic-caucus-goers-identify-as-socialist-than-capitalist


^snip^


A little-noticed data point in the new Selzer & Co. Iowa poll, in fact, shows that 43 percent of likely voters in the Feb. 1 caucuses say they would use the word "socialist" to describe themselves.

And to be very clear, this question was not whether they would vote for a socialist or sympathize with socialism; it's whether they consider themselves socialist.

The 43 percent of likely Iowa Democratic caucus-goers who self-identify as socialist is actually more than the number who identify themselves as capitalist — 38 percent.

[pa28]

11. Recommended and BOOKMARKED.

Running such a deeply cynical campaign is going to leave permanent scars on the party.

[Uncle Joe]

14. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Segami.

[CharlotteVale]

17. K&R

[SoapBox]

18. K & R

[EndElectoral]

19. Thanks for the post and the reminder

[ValasHune]

20. Damn son is your name really Dylan ?

Do you spit hot fire ? I think so....

[FrostyAusty]

70. DY-LAN

Love the post, and also this Chappelle's show reference.

[ChiciB1]

22. KICKING, Need To Bookmark, Too Much Info In My Head

right now. Between the Australian Open (love my tennis) and the NASTY, UNDERHANDED way the Clinton campaign is COMPLETELY turning me into a raging maniac, I gotta take a break!

Keep fighting back, keep EXPOSING all the LIES! DISGUSTING!

[99Forever]

25. K&R

[WillyT]

26. Hear, Hear !!!

& Rec !!!

[Purveyor]

28. K&R Thanks for posting. eom

[azmom]

32. Kick

[John Poet]

34. AMEN!! Tell it, bro!

K & R

[Kalidurga]

39. There are enough of us to take over the Independent party

just sayin. I don't think they would like it, but they should have thought of their numbers and putting up a serious candidate which they never do.

[ecstatic]

42. It's not red bait. Bernie IS a socialist

That is the truth. Most Americans are comfortable with the current mix of socialism and well regulated capitalism. Bernie's views are not mainstream and would cost us the White House and up to 4 Supreme Court nominations.

[artislife]

47. This shows a lack of understanding the difference between communism

and being a Social Democrat. This also shows a lack of understanding what the phrase red menace means.

[ecstatic]

48. And that's what he'd be facing and it's why he'd lose. nt

[artislife]

50. Because people don't understand more than you do?

He is going to win.

[redstateblues]

52. Running on Socialism and raising taxes

Is a loser in the GE. Sorry.

[artislife]

55. Ha..I like that you have a favorite meme to push. nt

[redstateblues]

56. Calling it a meme doesn't mean it's not true

If Bernie wins the nomination he will get crushed in the GE

[artislife]

60. I think you meant to write Hillary in that little scenario...nt

[blackspade]

75. And you base that theory on what?

[Dawson Leery]

51. +1,000,000

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/19/karl_rove_has_a_secret_plan_to_ratfck_hillary_and_make_himself_millions/

[senz]

65. This is totally wishful thinking on your part.

If Bernie's views were not mainstream he wouldn't be picking up so much steam (and voters) as he rolls along. People hear him and love him.

Apparently you are not familiar with Franklin Delano Roosevelt who made life more livable for millions of Americans for decades, until Reagan undid the New Deal, and was constantly called "socialist" by Republicans.

[eridani]

67. So the 81% of Dems and 58% of the general population who want Medicare for All--

--are not mainstream?

[blackspade]

74. Are you trying to be funny?

"Most Americans are comfortable with the current mix of socialism and well regulated capitalism. "

Obviously not. The American People want more socialism and actual regulation of Wall Street.
Sanders views are very mainstream and polling proves it.

[passiveporcupine]

79. "Most Americans are comfortable with the current mix of socialism and well regulated capitalism."

They are? The crowds showing up for Bernie might just prove you wrong. The raging and rising economic inequality in this country is another way that you might just be proven wrong.

[Ed Suspicious]

89. They have been whittling away at a half way decent mix for the past 40 years. We need to get back

to a good mix.

[7wo7rees]

43. Absolutely! nt

[Autumn]

46. Wow!

Bravo MrJayTee

[RoccoR5955]

49. Tell it!

My feelings as well!

[Babel_17]

53. :) The certainty of that reminds me of this

[virgdem]

54. Snap!

Well written and to the point.

[SMC22307]

58. That last paragraph makes me really sad.

Perhaps because I just learned the name of my father's biological parents, and my brother and I are *wailing* on ancestry.com. Cambria Steel machinist, janitor, baker, electrician, WWI veterans, farmers... like most American families, we're workers. How have things gotten *so* out of whack in this country?!

[AOR]

61. The Legacy of McCarthyism

--by Ellen Schrecker

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/mccarthy/schrecker6.htm

(Snips)

"Quantification aside, it may be helpful to look at the specific sectors of American society that McCarthyism touched. Such an appraisal, tentative though it must be, may offer some insight into the extent of the damage and into the ways in which the anti-Communist crusade influenced American society, politics, and culture. We should keep in mind, however, that McCarthyism's main impact may well have been in what did not happen rather than in what did the social reforms that were never adopted, the diplomatic initiatives that were not pursued, the workers who were not organized into unions, the books that were not written, and the movies that were never filmed."

"The most obvious casualty was the American left. The institutional toll is clear. The Communist party, already damaged by internal problems, dwindled into insignificance and all the organizations associated with it disappeared. The destruction of the front groups and the left-led unions may well have had a more deleterious impact on American politics than the decline of the party itself. With their demise, the nation lost the institutional network that had created a public space where serious alternatives to the status quo could be presented. Moreover, with the disappearance of a vigorous movement on their left, moderate reform groups were more exposed to right-wing attacks and thus rendered less effective."

"In the realm of social policy, for example, McCarthyism may have aborted much-needed reforms. As the nation's politics swung to the right after World War II, the federal government abandoned the unfinished agenda of the New Deal. Measures like national health insurance, a social reform embraced by the rest of the industrialized world, simply fell by the wayside. The left liberal political coalition that might have supported health reforms and similar projects was torn apart by the anti-Communist crusade. Moderates feared being identified with anything that seemed too radical, and people to the left of them were either unheard or under attack. McCarthyism further contributed to the attenuation of the reform impulse by helping to divert the attention of the labor movement, the strongest institution within the old New Deal coalition, from external organizing to internal politicking."

"The nation's cultural and intellectual life suffered as well. While there were other reasons that TV offered a bland menu of quiz shows and westerns during the late 1950s, McCarthy-era anxieties clearly played a role. Similarly, the blacklist contributed to the reluctance of the film industry to grapple with controversial social or political issues. In the intellectual world, cold war liberals also avoided controversy. They celebrated the "end of ideology," claiming that the United States' uniquely pragmatic approach to politics made the problems that had once concerned left- wing ideologists irrelevant. Consensus historians pushed that formulation into the past and described a nation that had supposedly never experienced serious internal conflict. It took the civil rights movement and the Vietnam War to end this complacency and bring reality back in. "

[blackspade]

77. Great read, Thanks!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

64. Another couple of Socialists...

[tblue37]

92. Don't forget MLK. nt

[hobbit709]

113. And another one

[Manifestor_of_Light]

133. And a Presbyterian minister as well, like Fred Rogers.

My oldest friend is a multi-generational friendship. Her grandfather and my father were union organizers in the bad old days of the 1930s when they were trying to get labor laws passed.

Norman Thomas had Sunday dinner with her grandparents, and she has "Dear Comrade" letters from him to her grandparents.

He ran for President six times. His grandson is Evan Thomas, journalist, who has written most recently a book about Nixon.

[senz]

66. "An ambitious, amoral campaign" -- succinct and true. nt

[malthaussen]

68. That's worth a hoo-rah.

It's kind of amazing that a savvy politician would allow contempt to creep out so obviously. Setting aside accusations of "desperation," running a campaign on the principle of "yes, I suck, but the other guy is worse" is bad tactics. Isn't it a principle of advertising that if you downgrade the other guy's brand too much, the marks begin to wonder if all the products suck? We surely have a "plague a' both your houses" mood in this country. It used to be, democrats wanted to court the voters and get the largest turnout possible. Clearly, the GOP employs a strategy of alienating and disempowering as many as they can, so that only their fanatical faithful will vote. Surely it isn't possible that the 3rd-way Democrats think in much the same way? Surely.

-- Mal

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. I, in_cog_ni_to, STAND WITH by MrJayTee! RED BAITING is the lowest of Hillary's lows and she has

Plenty of others, but this one takes the cake, ices the cake, sprinkles the cake, decorates the cake and adds a freakin' cherry on top of the cake!

Yeah, I stand with by MrJayTee!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[blackspade]

71. +1000

I can't rec this enough.

[Helen Borg]

72. All it takes for the word "socialist" to be OK again...

Is million of people on Youtube, on their blogs, whenever they speak, to use the word proudly, knowing that at the core there is a call for compassion and solidarity.

[deutsey]

81. Or to have capitalism fail again as miserably as it did in 1929. n/t

[Helen Borg]

82. Perhaps, but it kinda did in 2008 and yet...

Now we seem to be back to square one. Bubbles emerging and popping, same crap all over...

[deutsey]

83. Not as bad as 1929.

2008 was very bad, but '29 was catastrophic.

[Gamecock Lefty]

73. But wait!

Ol Bernie is being called a socialist. Well duh - isn't he?

And ol Bernie is railing against the establishment yet he's been in politics for how long - since 1972?

And ol Bernie is now talking about Hillary's "coronation," falling back into the same tired old argument that Hillary expects to be crowned Queen. King Bernie can't have it both ways.

And Hillary's so-called surrogates are nothing near as nasty of King Bernie's supporters on DU!

You want a fight? You got it!

[blackspade]

76. Need some vinigar with your word salad?

[AlbertCat]

96. And Hillary's so-called surrogates are nothing near as nasty of King Bernie's supporters on DU!

Oh well then....

I'll have to vote for Sarah Palin... or something.


Every time the "Bernie's supporters are meanies" comes up, it just proves Queen Hillary ain't got nothing to offer. Her supporters are all in a tizzy because she didn't just slide into home plate without anyone pointing out her flaws.

Which is curious because she lost the last primary too.

[oldandhappy]

78. amen!!!!!!

In the last two weeks I have gone from supporting Hillary to sitting on the fence. Thank you Claire and Hillary and Chelsea.

[raindaddy]

84. It's becoming obvious the the Democratic wing of the Democratic party has had enough!

No longer willing to be marginalized, counted on to support a corrupt a neoliberal agenda or be their scapegoat when the public grows tired of voting for candidates that are more interested in representing plutocrats than the poor and middle class...

[Tarc]

85. Then you will get the president that you deserve

and will be laughed out of the room if you utter one complaint about something bad that President Trump or President Cruz did.

[Lordquinton]

95. Going by the polls, that'll be the case if Hillary wins the nom

She barely equals those two, while Sanders easily defeats the entire pack.

[phleshdef]

86. If she goes down that road, I won't be voting FOR her, I'll be voting AGAINST the Republican.

Which means she will still get my vote, but thats a sad state of affairs and I hope I don't have to feel that way come November.

[Nitram]

90. Look out, there's a straw man over there!

One under your bed too, I suspect.

[Kermitt Gribble]

91. K&R

I've said that I'll have no problem voting for Hillary if she is the nominee. Her attacks on single payer are making me rethink that.

[Jack Rabbit]

93. Thank you for this courageous OP

Right on, brother.

Time and time again we have sat patiently while Rahm Emanuel calls us "retards" or Jon Cowan writes a position stating that there is no evidence that rank-and-file Democrats think the way we do. There seems to be plenty of evidence that we do and that evidence is the success of Bernie's campaign. How do you like that 800-pound gorilla, Mr. Cowan?

Apart from insulting the base of the party or brazenly lying about the base's existence or what the base thinks, Mayor Emanuel and Mr. Cowan are little more than Republicans who support gay rights and equal pay for women; they can even give lip service to Black Lives Matter, but Mayor Emanuel has absolutely no credibility when he does. They are fascists who think the party's rank-and-file should just get in line and vote for the Republican-lite candidate of their choice while they collect bribes generous campaign contributions from Wall Street donors for not sending Wall Street criminals to prison or keeping the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall off the table.

If it makes anyone happy, I will vote for Mrs. Clinton in the general election if she is the nominee of the party, although I may rethink that should she become the nominee through subterfuge after being rejected by primary voters. I will vote for her, but that will say less about what I think of her than it will say about what I think of Donald Trump or Ted Cruz or whatever clown is left standing in the GOP. I will vote for her, but I will not give her one minute of my time or one dime of my measly money, Make no mistake about it, I have no confidence in Hillary Clinton or any other neoliberal to be a good or even adequate leader for the American people.

I will vote her in November and then hit the streets starting in January to call for an end to poverty and income inequality, for renewable energy to supplement and eventually supplant fossil fuels, for civil disobedience to ISDS rulings and direct action against any corporate executive who even thinks out loud about taking a case to an unelected board of corporate shysters. We can start with Trans-Canada. I will hit the streets to call for the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall, the repealing of Gramm-Leach-Bliley and the jailing of Legs Dimon, Pretty Boy Lloyd and rest of the Wall Street criminals. I will hit the streets calling for single payer healthcare. I'll even be willing to call it (gasp!) socialized medicine. Why? Because socialism is no longer a dirty word, and we have today's crooked captains of industry and their corrupt stooges in the Republican Party or the Republican wing of the Democratic Party to thank for that.

I will hit the streets and call for democracy and an abrupt end to oligarchy. I will tolerate no nonsense about how the Founding Fathers, who owned slaves and suppressed the right to vote for the common man and all women, didn't want a democracy and thus created a mere republic. We are going to correct that serious flaw in their otherwise fine work.

I will hit the streets because though I may vote for Mrs. Clinton in November, I will not follow her off the cliff toward which every American president of both parties since Reagan has marched us. She clearly has no plans to change course from the road to that abyss.

[Utopian Leftist]

98. + 1, well said!

The American public in general are quick to forgive and forget . . . on most things.

The American Left has still not forgotten the many ways a Clinton betrayed us. To quote the phrase that Shrubya so mangled, "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." The point being that we were fooled by Bill Clinton. We are not going to be fooled by Hillary too (and they can keep Chelsea, as well, from what I've seen of her.)

[MadDAsHell]

100. Off topic - Anyone else think Debs looks like a bald George W. Bush in that picture?

Ironic.

[saidsimplesimon]

101. I agree Segami. It would be a shame

if the leadership in the Democratic Party begins to sound like that slime ball Senator Joseph McCarthy.

[HassleCat]

102. Hasn't been too bad so far.

The only thing I have seen is the old, "Bernie can't win because he's a socialist." No direct comparisons to Joe Stalin. Just the implication that Republicans will attack him as such. Of course, they will attack Clinton the same way.

[Faux pas]

105. Kickin'

[Scruffy1]

114. And I don't even consider Bernie a leftist.

Through the power of MSM whole schools of serious political thought have been rendered non existent. I shudder what she would think of my anarchist-syndicalist friends. To me, she's just another ignorant bourgie with no respect for anyone whose ideas differ from her own. far as I'm concerned the whole power structure is a form of totaliarism, and anyone who wants to keep the status quo either likes being a slave or likes owning them. I put her in the second group.

[TBF]

139. Right? K&R to your post -

nt

[TIME TO PANIC]

124. K & R !

[reACTIONary]

125. So, we've gone from FDR to Eugene Debbs . ...

..... well at least it's honest and authentic . And a complete loss in the general election.

[randys1]

126. More "I wont vote for HIllary in the GE" thread, while this should be RARE at DU

it is all day every day.

[arcane1]

127. David Brock was already at this a couple of months ago, and now the other employees are on it.

[Bohunk68]

128. I must be losing my hearing, but I could have sworn I just heard Chuckie Toad on MTP

declare that Hillary was the party of the past and Bernie was the party of the future. I don't know folks, what is going on?

[hopemountain]

131. hillary's self serving attacks on

bernie are really aimed at all of us - the voting public, unless you have money in your pocket to make her richer and put her on the throne she desires. all of her efforts to win over women and people of color and the working class is pure pandering and fake. if she gets her dream to come true she will only wield power for her personal interests and our causes will be thrown in the trash heap. dispicable.

[mrsadm]

134. Thank you

For your brilliant post! I too often think I am completely alone...

I've admired Bernie for many years... and some personal experience, back when IBM was cheating its employees, he stood together with us at the company shareholder meeting. A man of great integrity.

[Odin2005]

135. I am a Socialist. I will not vote for ANY candidate who engages in red-baiting, ever.

[Bill USA]

136. wait for the the General Election if BS is the candidate. the GOP are masters of demonizing

opponenets!

[Warren DeMontague]

140. It's a sign of the times