Democrats breaking DU TOS!!! Ed Rendell (D-PA) considers backing Bloomberg over Sanders as nominee

[JonLeibowitz]

Well well, and people say that Bernie supporters are paranoid about talking of a so-called "democratic establishment". Guess again! I was reading The Grey Lady this morning (as I do every day, cover to cover) and found this gem nestled in the NY region section:

Bloomberg, Sensing an Opening, Revisits a Potential White House Run

Edward G. Rendell, the former governor of Pennsylvania and a past Democratic National Committee chairman, said he believed Mr. Bloomberg could compete in the race if activist candidates on the left and right prevailed in the party primaries.

“Mike Bloomberg for president rests on the not-impossible but somewhat unlikely circumstance of either Donald Trump or Ted Cruz versus Bernie Sanders,” said Mr. Rendell, a close ally of Mrs. Clinton’s who is also a friend of Mr. Bloomberg’s. “If Hillary wins the nomination, Hillary is mainstream enough that Mike would have no chance, and Mike’s not going to go on a suicide mission.”

In a three-way race featuring Mr. Sanders and Mr. Bloomberg, Mr. Rendell said he might back the moderate former New York mayor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/nyregion/bloomberg-sensing-an-opening-revisits-a-potential-white-house-run.html

Well well well, isn't that swell. Plenty of folks were talking smack about Bernie not paying his dues to the Democratic establishment, and now the establishment is considering backing an independent for president over the people's choice for the Democratic nominee. A candidate who strongly supports the bedrock principles of the Democratic party, but is just too anti-corruption and represents the people too well for the elite party members who Know Better(TM). My DU friends, we truly do live in a corrupt system, and it is only becoming clearer by the day.

P.S. I will soon be making a thread in the Bernie Sanders group, pondering where the country is after 2000 posts. Please join me there.

[Broward]

1. We'd be better off in the long run with these DINOs leaving the party.

I say good riddance.

[roguevalley]

26. rendell is a man without principles. period.

[lobodons]

72. Ya, How's that working for you in the Senate

Dem's had 60 vote majority in the Senate (for 72 days anyway) when they had DINO's.

[Vincardog]

126. Thank DWS and the "we are not as bad as the GOP" strategy for those losses

[MrMickeysMom]

206. Putting the bar lower... and lower.... and lower....

[Vincardog]

208. And blaming the Librils for their every misdeed

[PatrynXX]

76. and the purge continues

like Bloomberg was always Right wing to me but naturally. prove me right again Hillary is a Conservadem. if Bloomberg was actually in the party he'd be called the same thing, Ed's been a Conservadem back when I guess being called Liberal was bad..

[raindaddy]

149. There's a huge void in the Republican party that was left when they got rid of the moderate..

Go fill it and leave the Democratic party to the Democrats!

[Algernon Moncrieff]

155. Bernie Sanders has been (I- VT) for years, but a lifelong Dem is a DINO?

I mean Sanders has been an actual registered Democrat for -- what -- two months now?

[rhett o rick]

157. Why is it so hard to actually make statements on what you think rather than insinuating

via questions?? Some feel that the label is most important. Even more important than what the person stands for.

Sen Sander is a better Democrat that Bloomberg and Clinton.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

161. If Sanders wanted the respect of all Democrats, he should have actually joined the party years ago.

Instead, he's chosen to join an organization because it is convenient to his cause of wanting to become President.

He's a Democrat - of - convenience. Kind of like Charlie Crist.

If he was too good or too leftist or too cool to join the party of fellow Vermonters like Pat Leahy and Howard Dean and remain "I - VT", then he should remain independent now and let those who have actually been Democrats for decades run for the nomination. He didn't seem to need the party before, so he shouldn't need it now.

No questions in this post. All declarative statements.

[rhett o rick]

163. Again you are hung up on labels. Sen Sanders is more of a real Democrat than the likes of

H. Clinton.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

165. I reject your role as arbiter of "who is a Democrat?" or "who is a good Democrat"

Hillary Clinton worked with the Children's Defense Fund; championed literacy campaigns as First Lady of Arkansas; fought for health care as First Lady of the US; served as Senator from New York; and was Barack Obama's Secretary of State.

You don't like her ties to Wall Street of the IWR - I get it. You know what I don't like? In 1993, then-Rep. Sanders voted against the Brady Act, which mandated federal background checks for gun purchasers and restricted felons’ access to firearms.

I suppose we could spend a lot of time arguing over whether voting pro-gun or pro-Iraq war costs more American lives.

[JonLeibowitz]

166. We can't stop counting yet. Secondary effects (ISIS) are still in progress

Certainly the number of deaths before ISIS is somewhere in the neighborhood of 500,000 - 100,000. Unless you think Iraqi lives are worth less (you said "American lives" not "lives&quot .

I think any deaths due to the lack of the Brady Bill would fall far short of those figures. Wouldn't you?

[Algernon Moncrieff]

169. I opposed the Iraq war (and all ME intervention) because of the loss of American lives

I support the Brady Bill because of the loss of a family member and the loss of a coworker due to gun violence.

[JonLeibowitz]

170. I am sorry for your loss.

I only wish to emphasize that the loss of Iraqi lives is just as tragic as the loss of American lives in the war. Needless bloodshed and grief.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

171. I take your point, but I'll be honest enough to admit that I vote out of self interest

That said, the Republicans -- Cruz in particular - are running a referendum on American exceptionalism. Cruz implies in his television ad currently running that he'd have made Iran give our sailors back unconditionally or started military action. If he -- or any other President -- does that at this juncture, then we will be simultaneously be fighting forces that support and oppose ISIS -- which would be beyond stupid and raise civilian casualties in the Middle East to unprecedented levels. I have faith that no Democrat -- Bernie, Hillary, or martin will put us in that position.

[JonLeibowitz]

172. +1, I sure hope not. One of them will be the 44th President.

[Lordquinton]

173. I reject your role as arbiter of "who is a Democrat?" or "who is a good Democrat"

Right back at ya

[Algernon Moncrieff]

192. Right. However my candidate has served the party well at the state and federal levels for decades

Your candidate is using the party to serve himself. [link:http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/03/time-bernie-sanders-campaign-confirms-democrat.html|A conversation between Chris Matthews and Tad Devine on MSNBC:

]

Transcript via MSNBC’s Hardball:

CM: If he [Bernie Sanders] gets the nomination of the Democratic Party, will he become a Democrat?

Devine: He is. He’s running as a Democrat. In this campaign he decided to run for the Democratic Party nomination. He’s running as a Democrat.

CM: He is a Democrat? Is he a member of the Democratic Party?

Devine: He can’t technically be a member of the party because there’s no registration in Vermont.

CM: Is he a Democrat?

Devine: Yes, he’s running as a Democrat.

CM: I thought he was a Socialist. Which is it?

Devine: Well, his philosophy is Democratic Socialist.

CM: Oh, I thought that his title was Socialist?

Devine: No.

CM: He’s an Independent in the caucus. He is a member of the Democratic Caucus in the Senate, but he’s not a member He’s an Independent member of the Democratic caucus of the Senate, but he’s not a member of the caucus.

Devine: He’s a member of the Democratic Caucus.

CM: But he’s not a Democrat.

Devine: He’s running as a Democrat for President of the United States. He signed an affidavit.

CM: Ok. I personally – don’t argue with me it’s a weird situation. He’s now a Democrat because in the past he’s ran against Democrats. He ran against Democrats for mayor. He ran against Democrats for Congress.

OK Batman, riddle me this: why can't Bernie Sanders technically not register as a Democrat, but Pat Leahy and Howard Dean can be Democrats? They are all from Vermont, yes? Bernie doesn't have a birth certificate issue of which I'm not aware?

[Lordquinton]

216. Maybe if you didn't pull up a piece of red baiting you'd have something resembling a point

But if GOP talking points is what you're gonna come out wih, I think any question about party allegiances answers itself.

[rhett o rick]

210. I am voting against the culture that has brought devistation to the lower 99%.

H. Clinton is a strong part of that culture. To cure our ills we must stop the looting of the resources of the 99%. While H. Clinton my work to help those in trouble in the 99%, she will not take the resources from the 1%. She will redistribute the resources of the 99%. The Wealth gap will continue to grow if she becomes president.

[tazkcmo]

184. Ih he wanted their respect

You're right, he would have but he doesn't. He wants the People's respect, regardless of party as we're all Americans first. The military for example. Full of all kinds of folks united in accomplishing a mission. That's what Sanders is trying to accomplish. I agree because I have brothers and sisters (siblings) that are Republicans and I still love them. America first, as corny as that sounds, not Party.

[Baitball Blogger]

189. Charlie had too many inconvenient relationships.

He was as old guard as they come.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

190. Florida politics is odd

Crist came up in the ranks of the GOP with Tom Gallagher back in the 80s about the same time Ken Jenne was rising in the Democratic ranks. All three are cut from the same cloth, as far as I'm concerned. Still -- Charlie joined because it was convenient, and because he thought Barack Obama could help him go on to bigger and better things.

[Baitball Blogger]

194. Florida politics is an example of what lies ahead for all of us if the DLC types prevail.

It is a political amphitheater that relies on loose ethics from professionals and community leaders. In this kind of atmosphere, good ole boy backroom deals thrive. Our communities are deteriorating because of it.

Common people may be powerless, but they're not stupid.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

202. Florida's voted for Rick Scott twice

I think they're stupid -- at least in Florida.

[Baitball Blogger]

205. Point taken.

[Dustlawyer]

191. Bernie's principled stands and policies are bedrock Democratic policies and positions.

He has held them and supported them for his whole career. You cannot say the same for these other so-called Democratic politicians like Rendell. Whatever label you use to put on these people, it is their actions that define who they really are.

Bloomberg, like Trump, is a Plutocrat who chose to become personally involved rather than just buying his politicians like the other Plutocrats. It's an ego thing, and it is the result of the increasingly brazen corruption where they feel they can operate openly now because there is no penalty for doing so. Trump even admits to greasing palms with campaign donations in the past to get whatever government approval or law change he needed to help his business! Chief Justice John Roberts, are you paying attention? It's called a "Quid Pro Quo", something you claim to have never seen!

[Algernon Moncrieff]

193. If he supported the bedrock principles of the party, why didn't he join the party?

Pat Leahy and Howard Dean are hardly considered conservatives in their outlook. Both joined the party.

I also find it fascinating that you choose a sig line icon of Castro's executioner and jailer Ernesto "Che" Guevara wearing a Sanders shirt.

[Dustlawyer]

200. Because the Democratic Party has sold out to big money.

Dean now works for the medical device industry because being a champion of the people doesn't pay the bills.

It's time for a political revolution to get rid of corruption where the top Democratic candidate can accept millions of dollars from Wall Street to run for the job where one of the biggest issues is Wall Street corruption. She can and has accepted millions from the MIC when she takes her hawkish stands on foreign policy. She has taken millions from the private prison industry when we are having serious issues related to that same industry...

Hillary, like most politicians these days, owes her position to these financial backers. Like most politicians, she has shown support for the industries/groups that she took the money (bribes) from. This is the ROOT CAUSE of most of our current problems. You may be fine with this system of corruption, but I am not! You would have us believe that it is useless to try to change this corrupt system, but many of us refuse to believe that. You, like Hillary, would would have us believe that all of that money does not change her positions one bit. You would have us believe that Representative Democracy is alive and well in America. It is, only if you are a big donor, otherwise, you don't count!

We are not fooled and will continue to fight for political revolution. Fight to end campaign donations and restore our Democracy. I find it "interesting" and confusing that you prefer corporate rule over the people. I hope that you realize that you have been deluded into believing that Hillary can ignore the millions and millions of dollars in payments to her to support TPTB on their issues, despite her track record of doing so in the past.

[liberalnarb]

195. I'm from Pennsylvania. Rendell is pathetic.

Maybe you don't know this but in 2012 he said he would be happy with RMONEY as president. Just recently he came close to endorsing Jeb Bush
Rendell is a joke. One of the biggest DINOs in the business.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

203. He's no Tom Wolf, I'll give you that

Rendell was better than Corbett & Ridge, IMO.

Completely off topic question: Did they finally allow beer to be sold in grocery stores and c-stores in PA? I heard a while back that it was in the works.

[liberalnarb]

209. Nope. Pennsys still have to go to private beer distribuers to get the weekend juice.

[CorporatistNation]

199. Rendell Has Been A (Republican) for Years! His Party of Registration Does Not Mean Shit!

Total ESTABLISHMENT Hail Mary to STOP SANDERS... whose ideals and actions despite being a registered Indy have most often been far superior to those of pols who are actually registered as Democrats (officially.)

[Algernon Moncrieff]

204. I SEE YOU TYPE A LOT IN ALL CAPS

If you really feel that registered Democrats are that bad, why do you participate in a message board operated by supporters of Hillary Clinton?

[Ferd Berfel]

207. Agree! It's Clear that The DNC is NOT planning on supporting Bernie when he wins.

I don't want to hear any more of this shit about how Bernie Supporters are obligated to support Hillary if she wins...because...the republican boogie-man

THE DNC is going to put up DINO Oligarchs that WILL Loose just so they don't have to support Bernie

Can you just taste the Hypocrisy?

[stillwaiting]

2. If Bernie beats Hillary despite all of the endorsements from elected Dems that Hillary received,

the people aren't going to care much about this either.

I think and hope we are well past the point where endorsements from elected politicians carries any weight. The people realize our system is corrupt and when elected politicians fight the common-sense reforms that Bernie Sanders wants (and the people want) it reveals the little man behind the curtain.

We might have Bernie Sanders running against two billionaires. Oh my. Bring it.

[Kentonio]

11. My thoughts exactly!

This would be perfect, they'd be handing Bernie a campaign worth of ammunition. Please let this happen, it'd also serve the bonus purpose of filtering out the third way people who would otherwise be trying to undermine his campaign at every turn.

[vlakitti]

39. Thanks. Really good point!

[Hulk]

63. A four nominee split?

I'm not believing for a minute that tRump would "gracefully accept" cruz, or any other clown besides himself as the nominee, and that he wouldn't defect to run on his own. He gets NO support from the rnc, and his ego isn't going to let him accept defeat, especially when the rnc is ganging up to squash him.

Then we look at the GOP clown, mr. Combover, Bloomberg and a democratic candidate...whoever that might be.

Lots of possibilities for a real cluster-fuck on the ballot next Nobember.

Let's start working hard on ridding Congress of tea-baggers, gopers and Dino's! Whichever democratic candidate gets the nod isn't going to be able to move that pile of human shit, known as Congress, unless we switch the power beck to the people....progressive/liberal congressmen and women!

[madokie]

114. Bring 'm on

Bernie is no light weight, nor is he wanting.

Bernie Sanders will be President Bernie Sanders come 1-20-2017. Hide and watch

[cui bono]

152. Yeah!

Bernie.

Because FUCK THIS SHIT.

.

[Metric System]

3. Sanders won't be the nominee, so it's a moot point. Besides, I've seen most Sanders supporters say

they won't vote for Hillary as the nominee.

[last1standing]

10. No you haven't. Why post something that you know isn't true?

n/t

[roguevalley]

27. because that's all they got

[KoKo]

60. ....!

Yes...it's all they've got.

[Gene Debs]

70. I'm a Sanders supporter who won't vote for Hillary Clinton if she's the nominee.

[ish of the hammer]

83. Sanders in the Primary... Sanders as a write-in IF I have to.

Clinton will never have my vote. my vote is all I got and Sanders is the first chance I've ever had to vote for a Socialist - Democratic or otherwise.

[Omaha Steve]

93. Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

On Sat Jan 23, 2016, 02:04 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Sanders in the Primary... Sanders as a write-in IF I have to.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1052818

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This goes expressly against the DU TOS.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jan 23, 2016, 02:11 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So what? I'm not an admin. I judge alerted posts based on whether or not they violate community standards. Terms Of Service is an admin issue.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bernie is running as a Democrat, this is a fact. Besides, the meaning of small 'd' democratic must continue to mean something, the party does not have a monopoly on what it signifies.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is an opinion. ish of the hammer is not asking others to do the same. And yesterday a Hillery person said the said thing and as far as I know there was no alert on it. Leave it.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Borderline. The TOS say "When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them." I think this goes beyond "ambivalence", so I'm voting to hide, but it's less clear-cut than some.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Stryder]

181. WOW

That is all.

[olegramps]

183. So, you want to help elect a Republican. This board has gone bonkers.

[Gene Debs]

197. You know, it's long past time that tired, lame old canard was taken out behind the barn and shot. I

might actually point out that as far as I'm concerned Clinton practically IS a Republican.

[olegramps]

217. Ridiculous accusations. Help elect a Republican. Now is that really in your best interest?

When Democrats voted for Nader and got Bush elected that just worked out swell. It led to one of the biggest disasters in the nation's history when the PNAC neo-cons took over. Our great, great grandchildren will still be paying price for that fiasco when we are long gone.

Oh, yeah! The Clinton's presidency was a real flop. Not enough wars and a lousy surplus to boot. Let's ban together, boycott the election and get someone like Cruz or Trump elected and await the total collapse of the country. Sounds like a damn fine plan indeed.

[JonLeibowitz]

198. Ironic that you say that given the thread topic. Yet don't call out Rendell for the same

[bvf]

100. I'm sure you'll get a rational reply from Metric in

in 1,000,000... 999,999... 999,998...

[kjones]

145. Someone needs glasses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511053874#post17

Feel free to find more at your leisure.

[TDale313]

12. Wrong. Some might say that, many don't.

And I wouldn't be too sure about that whole "Bernie will never be the nominee" thing.

Funny how Hillary supporters scream about party loyalty and how dangerous it would be to not support the Democratic nominee- as long as it's *their* preferred nominee. If it's not, they get a little dodgy.

[KingFlorez]

14. Agreed

[Armstead]

29. It's not a moot point. A matter of principle on a fundamental level.

Bernie may be a longshot. But are Democrats who support Clinton willing to "walk their talk" and back WHOMEVER is the party's nominee when the chips are down, if Bernie were to pull off an upset?

If a party leader is willing to float that balloon at this point ,how many others would join a spoiler candidacy like Bloomberg if it came to that?

It reeks of hypocrisy to tell Sanders supporters they HAVE to Clinton in the GE or the sky will fall, while publicly exploring options to cutoff his knees if he manages to do what Obama did in 2008.

[draa]

67. That point goes over their heads.

It's hypocrisy at it's worst. How can people just toss their values and principles away to support a corrupt party that WILL NOT let you succeed. And that's what the gist of this is. We'll choose our candidate and the party will endorse someone else after he wins. It's damn pathetic and I'll leave this shit before I become a part of it. And when I leave my vote goes with it.

I have principles that I refuse to throw away, even for this party, but especially for anyone named Clinton. They simply aren't worth that to me.

[cali]

30. Fail. Hell, I'll even vote for her and I think she's corrupt to her eyeballs

[CoffeeCat]

31. Sanders is doing better than Obama did

Obama was never beating Hillary by 8 points, 10 days before the Iowa caucuses. And Obama certainly wasn't beating Hillary by 20 points in NH.

Bernie has caught fire. And after he wins IA and NH he will be unstoppable. It will be a completely new race.

[ejbr]

37. Most Sanders supporters

can't be proven, many, well yeah, I'll give you that.

[scottie55]

62. Since I Always Vote Let Me See Hillary or Trump / Cruz

Like that will be a tough one.

Gimmee a break.

[pocoloco]

42. Good God!

If that is true she must really be an asshole?

[A Simple Game]

66. It would seem some higher ups in the Democratic party are worried you may be wrong.

If as you say most Sanders supporters will not vote for Hillary along with all Republicans and a majority of unaffiliated voters, she can not win the general election. Better for you to vote for Bernie in the primary and then you will have a true Democrat in Bloomberg to vote for in the General.

I mean someone has to think of Rendell's paycheck, it may as well be you.

What I don't understand yet, and maybe you can help me with this, is does this puts Bloomberg and Rendell on the Clinton hit list?

[riversedge]

80. I have seen many posts wherey Sanders fans they would not vote for Hillary as the nominee.

so, for me it is not most--but i always just cringed when I saw those posts. What are they thinking??

[TheBlackAdder]

118. They aren't thinking, at least like mature Democrats.

.


It's like the Trump, take my balls and go home, bit. I see this on both sides and it's disturbing.


Sure, there will be tensions during a primary, but incessant muckraking, campaign operative posts, and the like just drive some people into a frenzy. I'm seeing it here, where some are losing their collective S#!+ as the days go on. I get the panic in some of the hardened supporters, but that also leads to a bitterness that might keep them home on voting day.


The posts, over and over, by a select few are not helping their candidates, regardless of their intentions.

It's like, "OK, more of the same." No balance, no nuance of thought, no worth--just more blather.


.

[mountain grammy]

186. and I cringe when I see Hillary supporters post

they will never vote for Bernie Sanders, and I wonder, what are they thinking?

[riversedge]

211. You flatter me by imitating me. Thanks.

[mountain grammy]

212. I actually was agreeing with you, so you're welcome.

[SammyWinstonJack]

85. Ugh.

[Gore1FL]

98. "Most" has a dictionary definition.

Do you have at least polling data to support your claim, because it sounds pretty dubious enough to require a link.

Of course that claim followed a bit of soothsaying, so I suspect a link will not be forthcoming.

[INdemo]

119. Will Hillary supporters vote for I- Bloomberg over

D-Sanders?

[farleftlib]

120. That's the $64K question

Let's see if the Hillbots rush to reassure us they'll unite behind the Dem nominee no matter who it is.

[truebluegreen]

196. That would be telling, wouldn't it?

Since if, like Rendell, they're prepared to vote for Bloomberg maybe, just maybe that means they aren't all that progressive...unlike Hillary herself.

in case it is needed

[Warren DeMontague]

147. Rendell sure seems to think it's a possibility.

Let me ask you, on the off chance Sanders actually does win this thing, are you guys stocked up on sedatives? Earplugs?

Some people are going to have massive emotional breakdowns. I hope you're prepared.

[roody]

150. How many is most?

[Algernon Moncrieff]

156. I've only actually seen a few say it

...others have simply implied it.

In the end, I think most Dems will vote for the nominee, regardless. Bloomberg figures he can pick up swing voters, independents, and country-club Republicans that see Trump and Cruz as toxic.

[7962]

185. I've seen two. Thats it.

[global1]

4. Looks Like Another Reason For Me To Make A Donation To Bernie....

They must really believe that Bernie will derail their gravy train. This is why we need Bernie and a 'political revolution'.

[tokenlib]

5. Oooh, A Third Way open to a Three Way.....

I'm not surprised..

[Segami]

7. LOL!

DUzy......

[restorefreedom]

44. snort! nt

[TDale313]

6. Fuck Ed Rendell.

Can you say PUMA?

[INdemo]

121. and Harold Ford and

___________________________________________________________________________

_________________________________________________________________________________

all the other Republicrats

[tk2kewl]

8. Lame

And I fail to see how Bloomberg is suppose to excite democrats more than Sanders or even HRC. Bernie got so much shit for not being a "real Democrat" - Bloomberg was Republican.

[A Simple Game]

74. But he was a Democrat before he was a Republican, so he is the perfect

anti-Hillary who was a Republican before she was a Democrat.

Wasn't Trump also a Democrat before he was a Republican?

So if Hillary wins the primaries we may have a Democratic candidate that used to be a Republican running against a Republican candidate that used to be a Democrat.

So without Hillary we may have a three way race, a Republican candidate that used to be a Democrat, a Democratic candidate that used to be an Independent, and a Independent who used to be a Democrat before he was a Republican before he was an Independent.

We will need score cards.

Someone, anyone I dare you, tell me the two party system is not about to collapse.

[brooklynite]

9. UNREC

Nothing in the article says Rendell would support Bloomberg. He's offering an opinion on whether Bloomberg would have a window of opportunity

[Kentonio]

13. Didn't you actually read the article?

"In a three-way race featuring Mr. Sanders and Mr. Bloomberg, Mr. Rendell said he might back the former New York mayor.

“As a lifelong Democrat, as a former party chairman, it would be very hard for me to do that,” he said. “But I would certainly take a look at it — absolutely.”"

[farleftlib]

18. Except it wouldn't be hard for him at all

I live in PA and I've always loathed Ed, especially after he mocked Gore for demanding a recount. Ed is all about getting Hillary elected and barring that, doing whatever he can to prevent BS from being elected.

[Kentonio]

21. Yeah, I'm fairly sure he wouldn't struggle with the decision so much..

[toshiba783]

87. This isn't helpful for Clinton and he knows it...

He seems to have a grudge against Clinton this election, which is odd since he was such a vocal supporter in 2008. He's been the only "supporter" floating the idea of a Clinton loss on numerous occasions.

[Segami]

20. Hmm,...text wasn't bold enough and should been typed in all CAPS!

Its must have been the 'Italics' that threw them off.......

[Bread and Circus]

33. Wow, you just served Brooklynite a humble sandwich

[Bread and Circus]

34. Wow, you just served Brooklynite a humble sandwich.

[Armstead]

41. C'mon he's being a total hypocrite and you damn well know it

The short answer should have been according to the "anyone but a Republican" crowd is

"I don't know what Mr,. Bloomberg will choose to do. I support Clinton but I and otehr loyal Democrats will support our prarty's nominee, whoever it is."

[JonLeibowitz]

168. Funny, brooklynite seems to have vanished. Thanks for posting on my thread, Armstead.

[paleotn]

65. posting misinformation now, brooklyn?

...or is reading comprehension not one of your strong suits?

[RoccoR5955]

15. WTF?

Bloomie is nothing more than tRump lite. He's a billionaire from NYC with conservative to middle of the road views.
Who the heck is his "candidacy" supposed to attract but RepubliCONs?

[tokenlib]

16. Third Way Corporatist DINOS of course.. n/t

[PADemD]

96. He'll lose the open carry and soda voters.

[Cali_Democrat]

17. Ed Rendell posts on DU?

Who knew.

[cali]

32. Ed Rendell, like so many Hillary pals is an asshole.

[Cali_Democrat]

99. Well...I guess I won't be voting for Ed Rendell then

Thanks for the information.

[book_worm]

19. Ed Rendell has always been a prick

[Snotcicles]

24. I always thought he was a POS too. eom

[Depaysement]

22. Hillary should denounce this nonsense

Supporting Bloomberg is akin to abandoning the working man, unions, the poor, those with special needs and so on.

Ed Rendell. Dinocrat.

[roguevalley]

92. he with this would split her tiny vote

[cui bono]

153. She would never do that. I bet she uses that in a campaign ad against Bernie.

[CharlotteVale]

23. Rendell makes my flesh crawl and is one of the reason I stopped watching MSNBC

years ago. Never knew when his smarmy mug would show up.

[tokenlib]

25. Rendell will walk this back how soon?? n/t

[cali]

28. Pigs.

[Fawke Em]

35. That Bloomberg is considering this if status quo Clinton isn't the nominee tells me two things:

1. The billionaire class is very afraid.
2. Bernie's internal polling must be far, far better than what we have been lead to believe.

Go Bernie!

[retrowire]

40. Eeyup!

I mean, these are drastic measures coming out of the establishment. I thought this race was wrapped up for Hillary! But I guess if they're going THIS far.... I see a landslide for Bernie.

[PotatoChip]

73. Regarding your first point, have you seen this video?

Gee, I wonder why he and his fellow oligarchs are not worried about a possible Hillary win?

His Bernie comments begin at the 3:10 mark.

Blackstone CEO: Bernie Sanders Scares the Markets
Published on Jan 21, 2016
Stephen Schwarzman says that the markets are unsettled because of geopolitical risks, the slowdown in China and because Bernie Sanders has become a viable candidate. The Blackstone CEO and Chairman spoke with WSJ’s Dana Cimilluca at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Photo: Getty Images

Btw- If you get a chance, check out the YouTube comments for this video. People really let him have it!

[SamKnause]

89. Damn Bernie has really got them in an uproar !!!

This is so exciting.

I dream he goes all the way.

Great comments on You Tube.

I am so sick of these establishment assholes.

[PotatoChip]

90. Yes, it is exciting.

As Bernie once said, "they're not going to like me"!... (meaning Wall Street)

Feel The Bern Schwarzman!!!

[Fawke Em]

102. That makes me smile.

And, I realize that I won't get a unicorn and that the fat cats will do everything to hurt us, but I'm smiling none-the-less.

Thank you for this!

[PotatoChip]

110. You are most welcome!

[MuseRider]

129. Isn't that they truth?

I feel the same way. I cannot help but smile.

Those comments were pretty good.

[INdemo]

122. Exactly..From what I have read from

Bernie Sanders groups in Primary states,Bernie is Leading IA,NH,tied or ahead in Nev and moving up fast in SC

So if Hillary loses the first three,she definately has a problem

[Hoppy]

36. There goes your 32 oz sodas.

[Enthusiast]

55. There goes your social security and medicare.

[retrowire]

38. Good luck with that assholes.

It's too late, the caucus is happening in 9 days. If the establishment dares to supercede the regular schedule, there will be a SHITSTORM.

[workinclasszero]

43. "the people's choice for the Democratic nominee"

I LOL'ed!

Not one vote cast yet friend.

Are these "the people" you speak of??

Republicans for Bernie Sanders
https://www.facebook.com/republicansforbernie/

r/RepublicansForSanders

https://www.reddit.com/r/RepublicansForSanders

[Renew Deal]

50. Don't worry, those groups will shut down as soon as Sanders wins.

[workinclasszero]

57. I have absolute confidence

in what you say Renew.

No doubt about it.

[restorefreedom]

45. wow. they REALLY don't want bernie at any cost

that is why he will be an excellent president.

the party is over, establishment hacks...

get it? party over?

[OnyxCollie]

46. Ed Rendell, Pete Peterson's favorite fracking advocate. nt

[tokenlib]

54. Please keep Pete Peterson out of this..we could have a projectile vomiting contest...

..they both make me nauseous...assholes!

[OnyxCollie]

64. Why keep Pete out of this?

Let the connections be known, and the projectile vomiting commence!

Ed Rendell
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ed_Rendell

Ties to Pete Peterson's "Fix the Debt"
The Campaign to Fix the Debt is the latest incarnation of a decades-long effort by former Nixon man turned Wall Street billionaire Pete Peterson to slash earned benefit programs such as Social Security and Medicare under the guise of fixing the nation's "debt problem."

Rendell is a co-chair of the Campaign to Fix the Debt in 2013. He has extensive corporate and financial ties.

This article is part of the Center for Media and Democracy's investigation of Pete Peterson's Campaign to "Fix the Debt." Please visit our main SourceWatch page on Fix the Debt.

About Fix the Debt
The Campaign to Fix the Debt is the latest incarnation of a decades-long effort by former Nixon man turned Wall Street billionaire Pete Peterson to slash earned benefit programs such as Social Security and Medicare under the guise of fixing the nation's "debt problem." Through a special report and new interactive wiki resource, the Center for Media and Democracy -- in partnership with the Nation magazine -- exposes the funding, the leaders, the partner groups, and the phony state "chapters" of this astroturf supergroup. Learn more at PetersonPyramid.org and in the Nation magazine.

More Than a Matter of Opinion: Ed Rendell’s Plea for Fracking Fails to Disclose Industry Ties
http://www.propublica.org/article/ed-rendell-new-york-fracking-op-ed-disclosure

~snip~

As New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo agonizes over whether to allow the controversial natural gas drilling technique, Rendell invoked his own experience as a Democratic governor who presided over a fracking boom. New York state, Rendell argued, has a major part to play in the nation’s fracking “revolution” — and it can do so safely. He rejected what he called the “false choice” of “natural gas versus the environment.”

What Rendell’s passionate plea failed to note was this: since stepping down as governor in 2011, he has worked as a paid consultant to a private equity firm with investments in the natural gas industry.

~snip~


Element Partners’ website lists several investments by the firm in natural gas companies, including a company called 212 Resources that specializes in “fluid management systems” for fracking.

Rendell is also a senior adviser at the investment bank Greenhill, which has worked on several large transactions involving natural gas companies. A Greenhill spokesman said Rendell has not been involved in the firm’s work in the energy sector.

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[tokenlib]

143. Pass the bucket...they really are rotten assholes...n/t

[azurnoir]

46. wondering if Hillary has sent him a thank you note yet

[Enthusiast]

48. We shouldn't be so hard on Edward G. Rendell.

He is only protecting the interests of Wall Street, the pharmaceutical industry, the insurance industry, the military industrial complex and assorted other malefactors that have piratized the US economy. All at the expense of the American people. Good guy, that Ed Rendell.

[Renew Deal]

49. Doesn't the "people's choice" actually have to get elected?

[JonLeibowitz]

52. Obviously Rendell's remarks were predicated on a Sanders nomination so i chose to do so in my OP

[plus5mace]

51. There is no party unity when the elites lose.

When Lieberman lost, the party elites supported him anyway. Our "leaders" don't give a damn about democracy and expect us to line up behind them when they never support us. I'd rather die free than live as one of their vassals.

[draa]

75. Well said and I'm with you on that.

[Chef Eric]

53. Not surprising. Rendell is a DINO.

While Bernie Sanders wants to expand Social Security, Ed Rendell and his Republican buddy Alan Simpson are actively trying to undermine it.

[KingCharlemagne]

58. Only the second time in recorded history that a rat

swam towards a sinking ship!

[restorefreedom]

144. ba da chaaaaaa. nt

[onecaliberal]

56. We are the democrats, they are corporate interests who are ruining the country.

[Robbins]

59. remember

bernie supporters were bashed when we said we might stay home instead of voting for clinton yet here is clinton supporter saying he would support independent run by bloomberg instead of supporting bernie as democratic nominee.

[reACTIONary]

151. Ed Rendell doesn't post...

... his opinions on DU. But, if you check out the thread, he IS being bashed.

[democrank]

61. Ed Rendell, another mouthpiece for the Corporate Wing.

I don`t listen to him or any of his sidekicks anymore. Bernie will get my vote.

[mmonk]

68. We know what the real fight is about.

In the end, it's not blue vs red.

[artislife]

111. ^^^Truth!

[INdemo]

69. What Rendell just said "we do not want a progressive candidate in

the Democratic party" Because the Democrat party is now made up of Republican lites,Progressives are not allowed.

So then if Bloomberg doesn't run and its Sanders vs Trump or Cruz would he support one of the Republicans?

Or would he see to it that Hillary runs as an Independent? I think that is where it is going.


All the talk in 2013,2014,2015 about Elizabeth Warren running,if she would have run and had the same following as Bernie now does would the Party Leaders have rejected her as well?

[farleftlib]

79. No, he says if it's Trump or Cruz vs. Sanders - he would support Bloomberg as an independent

rather than Sanders as the Democratic nominee. He says if HRC wins the Dem nomination, then Bloomberg doesn't run for election at all.

[INdemo]

94. Yes but if Bloomberg doesn't run and

Bernie is the Demoratic Nominee will he encourage Hillary to run as an Independent?
He just doesn't want a Prigressive period
Running on the Democratic Ticket
Elizabeth Warren are you listening to these Republican Lites ?

[farleftlib]

103. He said Bloomberg only runs if Sanders wins the Dem nomination

if not, HRC will be the establishment candidate. She'd have even less chance as an independent.

This is only a contingency plan to keep Sanders from being elected POTUS.

[INdemo]

115. Bernie could still win because a percentage of Hillary

voters would not vote for Bernie anyway so casting their vote for an Independent could still give Bernie Sanders a win.

[farleftlib]

117. Oh definitely

I think this is a desperation tactic and, like all the others, it will fail.

[mrmpa]

71. My 85 year old mother loves Ed Rendell........

she has met him several times. She will not be happy about this and will not like him so much.

[roguevalley]

95. hug your mom for me

[mrmpa]

136. I did & I told her about this over dinner, no she is not happy...........

[PyaarRevolution]

140. Tell your mom.

To watch the documentary "Art Of the Steal" and she will come to loathe the man.

[lobodons]

77. (D) Bloomberg

Bloomberg would have won the Presidency if he would have run as a Democrat.

[ish of the hammer]

78. First Biden, now Bloomberg.....

the Oligarchy is worried that Clinton won't bring home the bacon!

[Dems to Win]

81. Bloomberg gets the Establishment vote, Trump gets the angry racist vote,

Bernie gets the votes of the 99% seeking a better future.

We Win!

p.s. Can't wait to see Bernie beat not one, but two billionaires in November. Fun times!

[Hortensis]

82. Horsepucky. The PEOPLE'S CHOICE will be known

when the primary season is over.

This silly conceit that only Bernie supporters are "the people" and their contempt for the democratic process are part of what irritates and disgusts OTHER people so much.


As for speculation in NY about Bloomberg, when hasn't there been? Just more of the same.

[HereSince1628]

84. Hmm. 2nd weekend in a row with Rendell floating alternate centrists

I really don't understand.

Doesn't pushing alternatives, Plan B's whoever they are, create doubt that undermines HRC?

Yes, I know the message is if the Democratic process fails, they'll run a pro-pure capitalist against the socialist, but that why would the democratic process fail unless HRC fails? That can't work happen unless HRC is weaker than the pro-pure capitalists would like.

How is this good for HRC?

[INdemo]

107. He is pbviously worried and perhapshas inside info about how the Primaries

are stacking up for Hillary and the polling is not good.

[HereSince1628]

109. Yes, but sharing his worry and that of others can't be good for HIllary

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I don't see Rendell as a friend to the progressive cause.

[pa28]

86. Establishment Dems deserted George McGovern in 1972. They preferred Nixon.

In 2016 they'll do the same thing despite all their own past demands for loyalty oaths and insistence we shut up and vote for the lesser of two evils.

We'll have to get Bernie through the general election without their help most likely.

[INdemo]

113. Yes they did even as Watergate was beginning to come to light

If the Democratic Party which now obviously is the Republicrat Party tries to deny Benie Sanders the nomination if he wins it, than I'll be right there beside all the other progressives protesting at the Convention to make sure Bernie is not denied.

[Kentonio]

124. That's ok.

We have the tools to do it now, which weren't available in the past. The Internet is the most powerful tool for good or bad we've ever had.

[Odin2005]

88. Ah yes of course, the fucker who told Al Gore to give up.

[tomm2thumbs]

91. One video that shows Rendell in his true form

He's all about the money... don't think otherwise

[abelenkpe]

97. Cool! Another Multi Millionaire to vote for for president.

Just what I was looking for.

[NCTraveler]

101. One of the funniest titles to an op I have seen.

For that you get a K&R my friend.

[Dawson Leery]

104. Rendell was an excellent Governor.

He made sure that southeastern PA got it's fair share of revenue (seeing that they pay the lions share of the state's taxes).

[NCTraveler]

106. Thank you for that.

Love little bit about politicians. Will read a bit on him this afternoon.

Still laughing at the title.

[Kentonio]

125. The guy just said he'd consider abandoning the party if he didn't like the nominee

So you jump to his defense. Very telling..

[JonLeibowitz]

116. I am glad you enjoyed it. We agree on very little, but some things truly deserve a good laugh.

[Mike Nelson]

105. I think there is no question...

...many Bernie supporters will NOT vote for Hillary. They see her as "evil" and will likely state she "stole" the victory from Bernie. He will find it difficult to mend fences. Also, I agree there will be an independent candidate if Bernie wins. Either that, or a real attempt to steal the victory from him - and it won't come from Hillary Clinton.

[JudyM]

123. You might be being a tad reductionist. Most Bernie backers want what's best and will vote for H if

she wins the nom.

[Kalidurga]

108. So he wants to split the Republican vote, cool.

[Vinca]

112. Kind of makes a Bernie supporter think to heck with it. Might as well not vote if it's Hillary.

If Rendell splits the vote, Republicans win. If I split the vote, Republicans win.

[Faux pas]

127. rendell is an

opportunistic A**HOLE. That is all.

[DonCoquixote]

128. What, is Hillary too fasr to the left for you ED?

I remember when Ed was Hillary's right hand, when he even declared Rocky was a political football. See Hillasry lovers, the old rich pale dudes you think Hillary has in the palm of her hand will stab her in the back.

[olddots]

130. millions are asking

Ed who ?

[JonLeibowitz]

132. You find Democrats talking about backing Independents over Democratic nominees funny? Telling. n/t

[saltpoint]

131. Unsettling that Ed Rendell knows Bloomberg

well enough to refer to him as 'Mike' in an interview.

Unsettling also that so many who have served as the Democratic National Committee Chair are uninterested in meaningful reform.

[EndElectoral]

133. Nothing like another multi-millionaire in the race.

[glinda]

135. Must be cool to be part of the %1 and hope to buy the Presidency.

[MisterP]

134. they endorsed Lieberman in 1988 as well as 2006 over the party nominee

all their crybullying about how Nader caused the Lebanon War or primaries make us lose the generals was just to mask this

[Rosa Luxemburg]

137. Rendell is stupid then

[valerief]

138. Who cares what third-way Rendell thinks? nt

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

139. Bloomberg is the antithesis of Bernie!

The republicans would lose way more votes to Bloomberg than Dems.

[SoapBox]

141. It continues to shock me how corrupt the party is....

There is no shame these days...pumping the Turd Way, Right Wing of the Party...and as you said, it would be over the WILL of the PEOPLE!

That is criminal and corrupt!

If they think it's a revolution now, try that fucking bullshit Entrenched Establishment/DINO's and face the results!

[silvershadow]

142. Ed Rendell is so some-timey in the party. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

146. Like when DWS allies with Sheldon Adelson to put terminally ill people in prison for using pot

That's different, and okay, because reasons

[Bernblu]

148. Ed Rendell, revealing his true colors as a man of Wall Street!

[Tiggeroshii]

154. Its time to relegate Third Way Democratic bankers to the marginalized, th party staus they belong at

...in the same way they did to social and economic progressives since the 70s. Now we can say they are the assholes who are taking votes from real Democrats.

[rhett o rick]

158. We should form a third party and kick Clinton and the conservadems into it. Call it the Third Way

Party.

[JonLeibowitz]

159. Gee, rhett o rick, you may be on to something. Good name! In any case, I suspect

I'll be changing my party identification to independent after this primary process. After what Kathy Sullivan said about Bernie it is clear that progressives are not welcome in the DLC-party. I'll be an indy, or a Green Party-er.

Thanks for posting on my thread. It appears that Team Weathervane opted out of considering the hypocrisy of their loyalty oaths.

[rhett o rick]

160. Please stay and fight to kick the damn ConseraDems out of our party. nm

[JonLeibowitz]

162. I'll vote and support liberal candidates. But I won't identify as a D outside of primary season.

Unless i run for local office. Then the first thing i would do is not tell anyone what my DU username is

[Tommymac]

164. Respectfully...FUCK YOU and the DLC Horse you rode in on Mr. Rendell.

Don't often curse but in this case it is the only way to express my real feelings.

His corrupt corporate reign basically ceded PA to the teabaggers after 8 years of bad corrupt policy that alienated just about everyone in the state no matter their political persuasion. And we have had to live with those results for many long years here...fuck you running Mr. Rendell.

[Frisco Hillboy]

167. Mayor Bloomin'Ego is the last thing we need! /

[The Green Manalishi]

174. Maybe Bloomberg owes Trump a faovr

or Trump has some dirt on him.

I think he could do real damage if it's Sanders v Trump

[fbc]

175. Ed Rendell is an ass

He does Eagles commentary on a Comcast Philly show and even his sports opinons are moronic, like he is worse than the cranks that call sports radio.

[merrily]

176. Paid for by Micahel Bloomberg, not by the OTHER billionaires.

Rendell is the Tammany Hall of modern politics.

[CanonRay]

178. I see this all as a ploy to try and make us afraid to vote for Bernie

and it really, really pisses me off.

[True Blue American]

179. Ed Rendall

Is a Corporate hack. Has been since he joined the Lobbyist brigade and began to appear on MSNBC.
Come to think of it, I have not seen Ed lately. Did he lose that gig with all the reshuffling going on.?Now we have pretty blondes all over.

[dicksmc3]

180. What a TURNCOAT!!

When I watch this guy Renedell on MSNBC, mainly the Joe Scarbutt show, he's always badmouthing Bernie. Well this one hurts the most since Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Howard Dean have done the party an injustice with their behavior towards Bernie!! Wasserman setting up the debates in Hillary's favor and Dean going on all kinds of talk shows saying Bernie is a socialist and can't win.
The other day it was McCaskill and the Goverenor of Missouri, Jay Nixon calling Bernie a SOCIALIST as if that means he's a COMMUNIST!! Well, I think it's time the REVOLUTION Bernie is suggesting takes these so-called DEMOCRATS out!! They hurt the party!! We are in for a change and we won't get it with the old ESTABLISHMENT candidates like those folks!! FEEL THE BERN!!!

[cascadiance]

182. Remember, that Bloomberg and a Texas Billionaire tried to take down Democratic Primary in Oregon....

... in the last election by their heavy funding of Oregon's top two primary proposition which failed badly with BOTH Republican party and Democratic party voters last election. Switching to top two primary would have in effect shut down party primary nomination process here and other places it has been put in place, and have the primary election displace the general election as the place where real choice for a general election is made (primarily with coaxing by the media rather than the party looking to decide between different nominees who best represents them).

When Bloomberg and Texas billionaire money both backed this prop, it shows you where big money wants to control the process of who gets nominated and subsequently elected and not the people. Now, Bloomberg did help us also win back the state senate here in Oregon with contributions too, but I'd rather have a more open primary process with less big money being the factor in who wins.

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/10/michael_bloomberg_provides_125.html

Michael Bloomberg provides $1.25 million boost to 'top-two' primary measure on Oregon ballot

Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has become the second billionaire to make a major contribution for the Oregon ballot measure that would create a "top-two" primary system in the state.

The Yes on 90 campaign reported late Tuesday night that Bloomberg has given $1.25 million to the group. That almost equals the $1.5 million that Texas billionaire John Arnold has given to a separate committee also backing Measure 90.

...

In Oregon, critics of Measure 90 have charged that it's an attempt by business interests to increase their influence in state elections.

"Why would out-of-state billionaires spend millions supporting this campaign? Good question. Perhaps it's because of what they can get out of a victory," said Stephen Michael, state director of the Main Street Alliance, in a press release put out by the opposition campaign.

http://www.eugeneweekly.com/20141023/news-briefs/measure-90-stirs-concerns-big-money-influence

Measure 90 Stirs Concerns For Big-Money Influence

ARTICLE | OCTOBER 23, 2014 - 12:00AM | BY TED TAYLOR

A recent poll by Oregon Public Broadcasting shows support for the “top-two primary” initiative Measure 90 at 36 percent, opposition at 38 percent and undecided at 26 percent. If you are among the undecided, here’s a story for you.

Measure 90 would open Oregon’s primary elections to every registered voter. All voters would get ballots in May and pick their favorite candidate in each race, regardless of party. The two leading candidates would advance to the November ballot. Any combination of Democrats, Republicans or minority candidates could end up as the only choices in November. A similar measure in 1988 was defeated by a margin of 66-33.

...

Opponents say the top-two system would encourage big donors to try to buy elections by eliminating opposition, particularly when there’s no popular incumbent in the race. For example, when Rep. Peter DeFazio retires, big conservative donors could strategically back several Republican candidates so that no Democrat ends up on the November ballot.

...

Opponents argue the real power for minor parties is actually having their names and candidates on the November ballot for everyone to see. Minor parties would disappear from ballots under Measure 90 unless they are able to win one of the top two positions, unlikely in Oregon. Michael Beilstein, Pacific Green Party candidate for Congress, says “Greens, Libertarians, Constitution Party or Working Family Party candidates would never make it to the November election.”

So, one can see how big money really wants to control our system by looking at this move by Rendell and other moves by those he would want to have challenge someone like Bernie in Bloomberg.

[lark]

187. Don't know how Rendell calls himself a Democrat.

He's truly a moderate repug and doesn't represent the Dem party at all. Remember how he blasted Obama about his statement about gun lovers in rural PA?

[Baitball Blogger]

188. This will provide a purity tests.

Too bad votes are private. We can out them all and boot them out of the Democratic Party.

[sammythecat]

201. Our campaign system, as it exists today,

absolutely guarantees that practically every member of congress is corrupt. To one degree or another, but corrupt nonetheless.

[hrmjustin]

213. Well this democrat will vote for the nominee.

[JonLeibowitz]

214. Thank you, you are the first to say so.

[blackspade]

215. This is like the Lieberman race from the early 2000s when.....

Democratic establishment lined up against a liberal who beat Lieberman for the Senate nomination.
It was despicable to see.
This is an unsurprising redux.