SMART endorses Hillary Clinton and yes they did poll there members

[bigdarryl]

Because everytime Hillary gets an endorsement Bernie people attack her as not having the full unionship support http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/23/1474117/-SMART-endorses-Hillary

[JRLeft]

1. She's still Goldman Sachs favorite candidate, of course that doesn't bother you.

[Sheepshank]

3. Has Bernie ever walked back his medical assertion......

.....that multiple orgasms will cure Cervicam cancer?. Doesn't his medical advice bother you?

[2pooped2pop]

23. 20 or more years ago?

Lol. Walk it back? Lol

And no it doesn't concern me. As a matter of fact the chemicals released during orgasm can be very beneficial towards assisting healing.

But the fact that you have to go back decades just to find something to try to use against him is hillarious. Especially when your candidate gives us a new scandal almost weekly.

[Sheepshank]

48. I've heard that Bernie is omnipotent

Bernie is the same today, yesterday and forever....so yes, has he walked it back or is he still offering this medical advice?

[Hortensis]

53. :) Hillary "has the real-world experience and dedication

that make her the right candidate to serve the interests of America’s working families in these turbulent times.”

“Secretary Clinton’s plans are detailed and well-reasoned. On the economy, she will build on our apprenticeship and training programs, expand and improve freight transportation and transit and address environmental concerns with investments in energy efficiency. All of these involve jobs that members earn their living in every day.”

I put the italics in. Isn't it past time to ask Bernie to explain his plans in similar detail? We should know that his goals are achievable if we are to consider voting for him.

[2pooped2pop]

85. We know that Clinton is status quo

That's really all we need to know. While she has what u call experience her lack of good judgement during her experience overrides it.

[Hortensis]

89. The "we-know-what-we know" contingent?

Is that what Bernie wants from you? I never got the idea he admired ignorance, wilfull or otherwise. Bernie can handle the truth -- and then some. Shouldn't his followers at least try to?

How about giving it another shot? Read the endorsement and consider why it was given to Hillary.

[Voice for Peace]

93. I am really baffled that people aren't uncomfortable with

her dishonesty !i don'r mean this as an attack, more a question.
In what moral universe is dishonesty ok?
Has it become so common that nobody even notices?

[Hortensis]

94. IMO we should worry about our OWN honesty first.

Only when we are committed to being honest with ourselves can we evaluate the honesty of others. Otherwise, irresponsible self indulgence is all too likely to be the result.

[Voice for Peace]

97. That's off topic though I agree

Self-honesty is essential, in my opinion.
But doesn't address the question.
Using dishonesty to manipulate others is not okay wirh me, it's harmtful. It's not a liberal value, or even close. And I'm puzzled anybody is okay with it, especially the candidate herself.

[2pooped2pop]

96. The members were not asked who they wanted

They were asked what they wanted and leadership fit that into one of clintonsmultipil personalities

I've noticed that Hillary supporters feel the need to insult Sanders supporters personally while Sanders supporters have enough on Hillary to keep it mostly about her.

[2pooped2pop]

87. Really desperate to try to use this

Clinton still for war? Oh wait....

[synergie]

56. Is that like how you guys keep using "Goldwater Girl" in so many posts? Yes, the hypocrisy

is hilarious, as are his own scandals.

[beam me up scottie]

31. The one that was based on a report in a medical journal over 40 years ago?

If you're still obsessed about a report on orgasms and need him to walk it back that says more about you than it does Bernie.

[Sheepshank]

50. So then one would assume technology aids in evolution of thought.

Does Bernie walk back his comment in light of new information or is he simply hoping no one asks him a about it? Is You do realize the Bernie supporters tends to bludgeon the rank and file Hillary supporter about his NEVER changing stance on important women's issues....right?

[beam me up scottie]

51. New information? Do tell. I want to hear ALL about the NEW data on orgasms.

You sound like an expert in the medical field.

Please proceed. Edjumacate me.

[Sheepshank]

54. You first tell me that the Bernie medical report was 40 years ago

....clearly implying that cancer research and knowledge has changed. Now you imply there are no improvements in the last 40 years? Wtf are you going on about. I don't think even you know other that a mildly stupid attempt to deflect the cancer research with orgasm research.

[beam me up scottie]

55. You brought it up so obviously you must posess some sort of superior knowledge on the subject.

You seem to be obsessed with this issue since you keep bringing it up.

I'm just dying to hear your take on it.

Do go on.

[Sheepshank]

58. And every time I bring it up, I ask if Bernie has walked it back

Clearly not...you do everything to deflect from my question with new questions attempting a different direction. You seem to try very hard to cover up this laps in decency and its reflection on his view of women.

[beam me up scottie]

61. I want to hear more about this "Cervicam cancer".

What does that say about someone's views on women when they don't even know what a cervix is?

I've actually had cervical cancer so I'm fairly knowledgeable about the subject.

[Sheepshank]

65. You did not do Bernie any favors deflecting because of a typo

I assume you are very grateful for the advances in Cancer research and technology.

[beam me up scottie]

69. I'm not here to do Bernie any favours, I'm here to learn.

So go on, tell me why he shouldn't have believed what was written in that journal. You're the one who keeps bringing it up, surely you must know ALL about it.

[Sheepshank]

73. Yeah...sure you are not here to promote Bernie

Pull the other one, I've got bells on it

[beam me up scottie]

75. You just said I was here to do him favours, make up your mind.

I'm still waiting to hear your expert medical opinion.

[Sheepshank]

78. I asked first....did he walk it back? Nt

[beam me up scottie]

82. You brought it up - repeatedly - so it's up to you to explain why he was wrong at the time.

Go on, you're obviously an expert in this field.

[Sheepshank]

84. Well first, you are the one that says I'm the expert...I'm 100% sure I never implied it.

And second I suppose the answered my question if Bernie has ever walked back his medical advice that multiple orgasms cures cancer, is a resounding "no, Bernie never walked back the comment". Nice leader wannabe you are promoting and defending.

I guess I get to bring this subject up as often as I feel like bringing it up...it's not been settled.

[beam me up scottie]

86. He GAVE medical advice? Really? Link to him advising women?

That sounds illegal.

And here I thought he was just quoting a medical journal.

[cali]

35. And your silly attack has jackshit to do with the op

Hillary Clinton is hopelessly corrupt

[Sheepshank]

49. I was responding to a post, not the op. Insult to deflect. Not working. Nt

[beam me up scottie]

59. Oh and it's cervical cancer, not "Cervicam".

At least get the terminology right If you're going to make assertions of your own.

[Sheepshank]

60. Oooohhhh, typo makes you feel superior....pathetic. Nt

[beam me up scottie]

62. Well you wanted to feel superior to Bernie and he at least got the terminology correct.

[Sheepshank]

68. Even KKK gets their propoganda spelled correctly....what do think of their message? Nt

[beam me up scottie]

72. So now Bernie is JUST like a white supremacist hate group because he spells words correctly?

You know who else spelled words correctly?

[Sheepshank]

76. You are the one that invoked typos as something that demolishes the message

If you don't like the example, you should have thought this through. You are the one that seemed to think typos must mean the message is true, correct and of value.

So did Bernie ever walk it back?

[beam me up scottie]

79. And you're the one who just compared a Jewish man to an anti-Semitic hate group.

After calling Bernie "shifty Sanders" last week.

I have to wonder how much you thought that through.

And we'll see if you decide to walk it back.

[Sheepshank]

99. You obsess about Bernie's Jewishness... Beating that drum every fucking chance you get

And you know full well my comment had nothing to do with his heritage. You just want to invoke something to try and get a hide...it's what you do when you can't answer the question. Did Bernie ever walk it back?

[Sheepshank]

98. Hey...you want to comment on this typo?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1251&pid=1053490

[retrowire]

74. Does that have to do with the issues

or the way in which Bernie will govern as president?

[Sheepshank]

83. Has much to do with leadership, respect and policy choices

Although as a point of clarification I was responding to a poster and not the op...so there is that.

[retrowire]

88. How does an amateur medical observation have to do with that? nt

[Sheepshank]

100. One ad hominem, countered with another

I figured it was the level of discourse acceptable on GDP lately.

[dogman]

2. They didn't poll their members about specific candidates.

They polled them on issues then their General Executive Council decided Hillary was best on those issues.

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. OMG...so, that's how they can LIE about "polling" members. So, another hollow, shallow endorsement.

Bernie has the 99%. That's all that matters. WE WILL WIN!

99% > 1%. They can't and won't win.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[artislife]

63. Great catch

It is the sneakiness, the running up to boundaries just to see what will fly that is yet another nail in a coffin for h. They have this air of arguing what "is" is. This is why a lot of people do not trust them. They are fudgers.

[retrowire]

77. lmao how SMART of them. smfh nt

[Fawke Em]

4. Union members supporting the Wall Street candidate isn't very SMART.

(Sorry - couldn't resist)

[Empowerer]

71. If only those blue collar union workers were as smart as you

They would know what is in their best interests as well as your do.

And you wonder why people think your segment of the Sanders campaign is arrogant and elitist ...

[SwampG8r]

90. Good spellers.too

[Hoyt]

5. Glad they polled members. I think most union leaders are in touch with members that elected them.

Most union members are interested in an improving economy and making sure their industry is doing well -- it's a lot easier to protect jobs and get better wages, benefits, etc., when the company is doing well. I think Clinton is the better candidate from that perspective.

[Fawke Em]

6. They didn't poll them on candidates.

They polled them on issues and went with the establishment candidate that sorta fit those.

[Hoyt]

9. As I put in my post, Clinton fits their issues, "sorta" or definitely.

[Blue State Bandit]

37. When did Clinton come out against TTP?

Cause I don't know many unions, including SMART, that support it.

[Hoyt]

42. Even in the wildest, most irrational fears of TPP, this unions' members will not be hurt, just

like teachers, fire/police, service workers, government workers, transportation workers, etc., by the TPP.

[Blue State Bandit]

45. Not so sure they believe you.

From McClatchy, July 2015

- After the speeches, Joseph Sellers, union general president, said Sanders was “fantastic.” He also had kind words for Clinton, saying she too has a history of support.

Any endorsement, Sellers said, “will take some time.”

There’s some feeling among union members that Clinton needs to take a harder line against the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a free trade pact pushed by President Barack Obama. Unions worry it will mean fewer and lower paying American jobs.

Sanders is a vocal opponent. Clinton has said it needs protection for workers and stronger assurances companies cannot skirt health and environmental rules. She backed the proposed agreement as Secretary of State.

www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article29120500.html

[Hoyt]

47. Don't believe it will hurt most, or any, jobs SMART represents. Maybe you can

come up with some rational examples from the jobs that make up the core of SMART.

[2pooped2pop]

38. which Clinton? which issues? which day?

Weather vane.

[artislife]

64. That was the interpretation from the higher ups.

And that is what a lot of Bernie's appeal is. We are against the higher ups deciding what is sorta in our best interests...but mainly in theirs.

[Hoyt]

67. "Higherups" got elected by members to represent their interests.

[artislife]

70. They did.

But are they?

[mcar]

7. K&R

[PoliticAverse]

8. "The poll focused on issues, not candidates"

(From: https://smart-union.org/news/smart-endorses-clinton-for-president/ )

[Hoyt]

12. Well let's see. The union members probably have a good health plan, better wages than most,

job security, and the like. Which candidate is more likely to continue that, the one that criticizes corporations or the one more concerned with the economy as a whole and promoting an environment where most companies can do better. Companies that do well are a whole lot more likely to give up some of the wealth the unions. Members know that.

Although I'm not sure it's the unions or their members' concern in this context, I think Clinton also offers the best chance for the poor and others who have not benefited a better chance to get good jobs for the long-term, better wages, better benefits, etc.

I believe an expanding economy, higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations, a better healthcare system, better educational opportunities, etc., will more likely happen under Clinton.

[Armstead]

29. You're kidding, right. Have you not been paying attention to the corporate imperative?

Screw unions, then screw workers. We want the government to rig the rules so we can export as many jobs as possible to sweatshops overseas, and use that as leverage to bludgeon the remain workforce in the US.

And the Clintons delivered.

[Wilms]

10. That may be a bit misleading to say. Here's what they report they did.

SMART surveyed its diverse membership on the 2016 election in December. The poll focused on issues, not candidates, in order for member feedback to guide the union’s electoral efforts in every race, at every level, in 2016 and beyond.

Members overwhelmingly chose jobs and the economy as their most vital interest. On qualifications, members indicated they want leaders to possess the competency, broad experience and serious approach necessary to tackle the nation’s difficult domestic and international challenges.

These, combined with the membership’s preference, led the SMART General Executive Council to approve Secretary Clinton for the Union’s support. SMART will mobilize its members across the United States to help ensure that Hillary Clinton is elected to serve as the next President of the United States.

https://smart-union.org/news/smart-endorses-clinton-for-president/

They didn't "focus" on candidate's (ya know, the thing they're endorsing). Did they even ask? But they asked about issues and traits they wanted in a candidate. Soooooo, it seems that the Exec Brd used this as a basis for their choice.



And BTW, everytime Hillary got an endorsement she did not have the full unionship support. Attacked for it or not, that seems clear.

[Nanjeanne]

11. No they didn't poll members

(bolding mine)

SMART surveyed its diverse membership on the 2016 election in December. The poll focused on issues, not candidates, in order for member feedback to guide the union’s electoral efforts in every race, at every level, in 2016 and beyond.

Members overwhelmingly chose jobs and the economy as their most vital interest. On qualifications, members indicated they want leaders to possess the competency, broad experience and serious approach necessary to tackle the nation’s difficult domestic and international challenges.

These, combined with the membership’s preference, led the SMART General Executive Council to approve Secretary Clinton for the Union’s support. SMART will mobilize its members across the United States to help ensure that Hillary Clinton is elected to serve as the next President of the United States.

So the members said that jobs and the economy were their most vital interest - and the GENERAL EXECUTIVE COUNCIL decided Hillary best represented those interests? I think it's a great endorsement and had the members actually been polled and the result was Hillary - I'd say congratulations to her. But to actually say that this selection was based on "polling the members" is really stretching it. Surely she could have won the endorsement with, you know, members actually selecting her over Bernie.

[highprincipleswork]

95. Yes, they only polled the members on issues and then Executive Council decided like this...

As it said in Daily Kos, "SMART surveyed it’s members based on the issues and of course Hillary was the obvious choice!"

How come whenever I read anything from the Clinton campaign or a Clinton supporter, it so clear from the words they choose that the fix is in? That the assumption has been made, even before a proper vetting of the facts?

That is what is so frustrating to Bernie supporters. I mean, really. A lot of the points of argument just don't make logical sense, unless they are rationalizations for a decision that has already been made.

Make the decision based on who is most likely to follow Progressive principles, that is, if you are a Progressive. If that is your way, Bernie is the clear choice. As to who can accomplish what, that remains to be seen. But we all should know by now that if you don't even try, you are doomed to failure.

[Ash_F]

13. Their General Executive council selected Clinton. Not members.

https://smart-union.org/news/smart-endorses-clinton-for-president/

The council consists of 16 managers.

https://smart-union.org/our-union/leadership/

[Wilms]

21. Ha! And their president was a 2008 delegate for Clinton

Check out Sellers...

http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/04/22/pa/state/race/dld08/

[sufrommich]

14. Another union under the bus.

I'm not even going to bother reading this thread,it's become way too predictable. Good for the Clinton campaign though!

[snoringvoter]

19. Based on the endorsement, Clinton got a whooping 16 people supporting her.

Not the members, but the executive board decided that the issues that surveyed 'sorta' fits Clinton, when Sanders fits their preferences to a tee.

[beam me up scottie]

34. 16 WHOLE members of the board? Break out the champagne!

[workinclasszero]

24. Funny how the "peoples choice" backers love throwing

unions under the bus eh?

Might explain why some republicans are backing Bernie though.

[Blue State Bandit]

41. Did Hillary come out against TPP?

If not, then a post claiming that "Members were Polled" with a link that says "not based on candidates" sounds more like "Members were Push Polled" to me.

[cali]

36. Fail. Only Hillary supporting union bigwigs are being thrown

under the bus.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

15. *their

[Blue State Bandit]

18. Congratulations.

Maybe Hillary figured out that it wasn't such a good idea to accept unilateral endorsements from unions.

It's progress.

On edit: Maybe not so much.

SMART surveyed its diverse membership on the 2016 election in December. The poll focused on issues, not candidates, in order for member feedback to guide the union’s electoral efforts in every race, at every level, in 2016 and beyond.

Members overwhelmingly chose jobs and the economy as their most vital interest. On qualifications, members indicated they want leaders to possess the competency, broad experience and serious approach necessary to tackle the nation’s difficult domestic and international challenges.

These, combined with the membership’s preference, led the SMART General Executive Council to approve Secretary Clinton for the Union’s support.

:FacePalm:

[snoringvoter]

20. These Clinton supporters are badly suffering from foot-in-mouth disease

when the decision was not based on the membership polls.

[Armstead]

25. Same thing PP did....It's stated in a less than honest way

They ought just be honest and say "We already knew who we want to endorse, but we had to have the appearance of fairness, so we asked ourt members about issues, and fit the results to fit our predetermined choice."

[JRLeft]

30. It's all a game. This election is proving how big the battle is against power.

[artislife]

66. It is exactly!

Those in power may have gotten in the game to do good things, but looked around and didn't want to lose it. So now they are hedging their bets on who will keep them in the gravy the longest.

spew!

[beam me up scottie]

33. OOPSIE!

[workinclasszero]

22. Yay SMART!!

SMART, the International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers, has endorsed Hillary Clinton as the union’s choice for President in the upcoming 2016 election.

Nice!

[Nanjeanne]

26. Clinton & Sanders both addressed the Union

From July 28 McClatchyDC (bolding mine)

Bernie Sanders wowed the audience at at a labor union conference Tuesday, calling them “brothers and sisters” and vowing to push an agenda they’ll like.

“A strong middle class is synonymous with a strong trade union movement,” the Vermont U.S. senator told the International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers Business Agents conference at a Washington hotel.

The Democratic presidential candidate vowed a “political revolution” that says to billionaires “you can’t have it all.” He pledged to push a “major federal jobs program that puts millions of people back to work.” He’d have the government invest $1 trillion over five years to modernize the nation’s infrastructure.

The audience loved it all, giving him standing ovations and lengthy cheers. Before Sanders spoke, Hillary Clinton, the Democratic front-runner, appeared in a brief video and said she, too was a big supporter of the union, which has 216,000 members in the United States and Canada.

There's more . . . http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article29120500.html

Would have been interesting to see which candidate the members actually would have endorsed if they had actually been polled on preference.

[Thinkingabout]

101. I do not support the endorsement of my union, I will

Continue to support Hillary.

[cali]

27. Not quite

SMART surveyed its diverse membership on the 2016 election in December. The poll focused on issues, not candidates, in order for member feedback to guide the union’s electoral efforts in everyrace, at every level, in 2016 and beyond.

Members overwhelmingly chose jobs and the economy as their most vital interest. On qualifications, members indicated they want leaders to possess the competency, broad experience and serious approach necessary to tackle the nation’s difficult domestic and international challenges.

These, combined with the membership’s preference, led the SMART General Executive Council to approve Secretary Clinton for the Union’s support.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/23/1474117/-SMART-endorses-Hillary

[lunamagica]

28. K&R. YEEESSSS!

Great endorsement!

[cali]

39. Phony as hill. bigwig hilly supporting bigwigs making the decision

Just like every single one of her top down union endorsements

[cali]

32. They fucking well did not poll members on candidates. Fucking period

[Blue State Bandit]

43. Push polled... maybe.

[hobbit709]

40. There, their, they're. Do you know the difference?

[Motown_Johnny]

44. Another dishonest post from a Clinton supporter. Why am I not Shocked?

They didn't ask their members who they wanted endorsed.

They asked about issues and then decided on their own to endorse Hillary.


This does not prove the members support her. In fact, if the leadership thought that the members would support her they might have asked.

This looks like one more top down power play to misrepresent who really is supported by the working class, and it didn't work.

[TwilightGardener]

46. No, they did not poll their members. I know this firsthand.

[Beacool]

52. Nice endorsement.

“Secretary Clinton’s plans are detailed and well-reasoned. On the economy, she will build on our apprenticeship and training programs, expand and improve freight transportation and transit and address environmental concerns with investments in energy efficiency. All of these involve jobs that members earn their living in every day.”

[Vinca]

57. I give up. What's SMART?

[TwilightGardener]

81. Sheet Metal, Air, Rail, Transportation.

[catnhatnh]

80. This OP has been proven false for over two hours

and the OP has chosen to neither reply nor edit the post.I feel that shows a lack of character...We need the un-rec button back to counter falsehoods.

[Iliyah]

91. K & R

[libdem4life]

92. Victim, much? Good lawd.

Maybe this meets somewhere in the middle, factually that is. Not all Unions are for Bernie. Not all Unions are for Hillary. They both have some. And some they have not.

It's really not that complicated.

[neverforget]

102. They did. I voted for Bernie in the poll.

I actually thought they would endorse a Republican considering how right wing my fellow co-workers are here. One of them called Obama "the Communist in the White House" just last week.

[Thinkingabout]

103. Actually as a union member I am much more concerned

With wage increases and protection of the Union than I am about "busting up the banks", so for me the answer is supporting a candidate who does not get stuck on a couple issues but the general welfare of our nation, I am supporting Hillary though my union endorsed Sanders.