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pnwmom

(109,023 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:43 PM Jan 2016

Why is Bernie lying? He knows Glass-Stegall had very little to do with

the crash of 2008. That crash was caused by the shadow banking industry that wasn't affected by Glass-Stegall. That industry didn't even EXIST during the Glass-Stegall era.

If you don't believe me, do you believe Elizabeth Warren? She acknowledges that Glass-Stegall wouldn't have prevented the crash.

I guess Bernie's just another politician after all.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/reinstating-an-old-rule-is-not-a-cure-for-crisis/?_r=0

Bringing back something akin to Glass-Steagall would clearly help limit risk in the system. And that’s a very good and worthy goal. Letting banks sell securities and insurance products and services allowed them to grow too big too fast, and fueled a culture that put profit and pay over prudence.

But here’s the key: Glass-Steagall wouldn’t have prevented the last financial crisis. And it probably wouldn’t have prevented JPMorgan’s $2 billion-plus trading loss. The loss occurred on the commercial side of the bank, not at the investment bank. But parts of the bet were made with synthetic credit derivatives — something that George Bailey in “It’s a Wonderful Life” would never have touched.

When I called Ms. Warren and pressed her about whether she thought the financial crisis or JPMorgan’s losses could have been avoided if Glass-Steagall were in place, she conceded: “The answer is probably ‘No’ to both.”


http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/050515/did-repeal-glasssteagall-act-contribute-2008-financial-crisis.asp

The repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act was a minor contributor to the financial crisis, if it contributed to the crisis at all. At the heart of the 2008 financial crisis was nearly $5 trillion worth of basically worthless mortgage loans. Since non-bank lenders originated the overwhelming majority of these mortgages, an attempt to blame the financial crisis on a failure of banking regulation represents a logical disconnect from the facts of the situation.

The portion of the repealed Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 on which some economists try to pin the blame for the financial crisis is the part that prevented banks from operating as both commercial or retail banks and investment banks. The theory is that allowing banks to act in both the commercial and investment fields somehow was responsible for the creation of all the mortgage-backed derivatives that were eventually shown to be worth less than the paper on which they were written. This theory cannot be supported by the facts, however. The buyers of over half of the subprime mortgages in the 10 years leading up to the 2008 crisis were not banks – either commercial, investment or both – but Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Many of the mortgage-backed derivatives were created and sold by banks, but there is virtually no connection between that fact and the Glass-Steagall Act. Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch, along with Goldman Sachs, were all major players in the subprime mortgage meltdown, but none of these investment banks had ever taken advantage of the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and ventured into commercial banking. They were strictly investment banks, just as they had been before Glass-Steagall was repealed.


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Why is Bernie lying? He knows Glass-Stegall had very little to do with (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2016 OP
Glass steagall made bailouts unnecessary AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #1
Glass Stegall wouldn't have had any effect on the non-banking institutions pnwmom Jan 2016 #8
Bernie is not the one lying RobertEarl Jan 2016 #15
Elizabeth Warren acknowledges that Glass-Stegall wouldn't have prevented pnwmom Jan 2016 #18
Then why did Sandy Weil, master financial deal maker of Wall Street, and later CEO of Citi appalachiablue Jan 2016 #22
I don't know. But I know that Elizabeth Warren says that Glass Steagall pnwmom Jan 2016 #37
It would have saved us three trillion, for starters AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #36
Oh for fuck's sake: Lorien Jan 2016 #2
Great read at that link. bvf Jan 2016 #31
didn't even EXIST during the Glass-Stegall era FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #3
The law didn't prevent them from existing, and renewing Glass-Stegall, while laudable, pnwmom Jan 2016 #9
"Why is Bernie lying?" Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #4
Unrec Fuddnik Jan 2016 #5
Because he wants to be president. DanTex Jan 2016 #6
That's about a 50,000 rpm spin there. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #7
"That industry didn't even EXIST during the Glass-Stegall era." Thus, the REASON for GS. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #10
I think it's more a matter of many (like the OP here) bvf Jan 2016 #32
Krugman: repealing Glass-Steagall was a mistake [Bernie Sanders led the fight against this, in 1999] RiverLover Jan 2016 #11
Joseph Stiglitz, saw the changes to Glass-Steagall as a major factor in the 2008 crash think Jan 2016 #33
That is his opinion. You may disagree but it is not a lie. Claiming you were under sniper fire at kelly1mm Jan 2016 #12
It's posts like these that make me really annoyed with the Hillary camp. reformist2 Jan 2016 #13
I agree with him about wanting to reinstate it. What I object to is his pnwmom Jan 2016 #14
Not what he said - he spoke of her being against putting it back in place karynnj Jan 2016 #17
She doesn't want to simply reinstate that limited bill. She wants to put a more comprehensive pnwmom Jan 2016 #21
a bill that does not include that provision karynnj Jan 2016 #23
Too late to walk it back RobertEarl Jan 2016 #19
I'm very disappointed in you. PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #16
I expected better of Bernie. He knows that the repeal of G-S didn't cause the crash. pnwmom Jan 2016 #20
You did? Doctor_J Jan 2016 #28
If Glass-Stegall were still in place we could have just let the giant investment banks fail. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #24
Sure. We could have just gone into another Depression. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #25
Robert Reich explains how Glass-Steagall caused the 2008 crisis jg10003 Jan 2016 #26
Thank you. cui bono Jan 2016 #27
Bernie will say or promise whatever it takes to win redstateblues Jan 2016 #29
The financial crisis of 2008 was enhanced bybthr CFMA, he voted for it. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #30
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #34
You mean the one President Bill Clinton signed? neverforget Jan 2016 #38
With a large veto proof from Congress. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #39
So Democrats in Congress would've voted to override too? neverforget Jan 2016 #40
No the vote was much more than two thirds. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #43
It was a bipartisan sellout. Thanks neverforget Jan 2016 #44
There you go, good answer. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #45
Same reason he "pledged not to take Super PAC money" Recursion Jan 2016 #35
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #41
I was just listening to an MIT professor on finance say the exact opposite. bobbobbins01 Jan 2016 #42
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
1. Glass steagall made bailouts unnecessary
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:45 PM
Jan 2016

Because when Glass Steagall was in effect, the banks weren't allowed to gamble with federally insured deposits.

That's how it worked.

pnwmom

(109,023 posts)
8. Glass Stegall wouldn't have had any effect on the non-banking institutions
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:10 PM
Jan 2016

that held most of these worthless mortgages.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
15. Bernie is not the one lying
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:20 PM
Jan 2016

H said it was the home buyers who believed the lies the mortgage bankers told them. Then the bad mortgages were sold by the non-banking institutions as good debt. Which they could do because Bill got rid of regulations like Glass-Stegall.

H is blaming the victims. Bernie isn't the one lying.

pnwmom

(109,023 posts)
18. Elizabeth Warren acknowledges that Glass-Stegall wouldn't have prevented
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:21 PM
Jan 2016

these problems.

Too bad Bernie's trying to spin it that way.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/reinstating-an-old-rule-is-not-a-cure-for-crisis/?_r=0

Bringing back something akin to Glass-Steagall would clearly help limit risk in the system. And that’s a very good and worthy goal. Letting banks sell securities and insurance products and services allowed them to grow too big too fast, and fueled a culture that put profit and pay over prudence.

But here’s the key: Glass-Steagall wouldn’t have prevented the last financial crisis. And it probably wouldn’t have prevented JPMorgan’s $2 billion-plus trading loss. The loss occurred on the commercial side of the bank, not at the investment bank. But parts of the bet were made with synthetic credit derivatives — something that George Bailey in “It’s a Wonderful Life” would never have touched.

When I called Ms. Warren and pressed her about whether she thought the financial crisis or JPMorgan’s losses could have been avoided if Glass-Steagall were in place, she conceded: “The answer is probably ‘No’ to both.”

appalachiablue

(41,197 posts)
22. Then why did Sandy Weil, master financial deal maker of Wall Street, and later CEO of Citi
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jan 2016

and so many others including Rubin push for years to eliminate the landmark banking reform act of 1933 under FDR? What a crock, lie. And it's STEAGALL.



pnwmom

(109,023 posts)
37. I don't know. But I know that Elizabeth Warren says that Glass Steagall
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:07 AM
Jan 2016

wasn't related to what happened in 2008.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
31. Great read at that link.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jan 2016

Excerpt:

The bank supporters' attacks on this clear-as-a-bell narrative deserve a hearing to show how flimsy they are. One bank supporter says you cannot blame banks for fraudulent loan originations because that was done by unscrupulous mortgage brokers. This is nonsense. The brokers would not have been able to fund the loans in the first place if the banks had not been buying their production.




pnwmom

(109,023 posts)
9. The law didn't prevent them from existing, and renewing Glass-Stegall, while laudable,
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:11 PM
Jan 2016

wouldn't be enough to regulate them now.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
10. "That industry didn't even EXIST during the Glass-Stegall era." Thus, the REASON for GS.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jan 2016

To keep that "shadow banking industry" from existing.

You just don't get it.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
33. Joseph Stiglitz, saw the changes to Glass-Steagall as a major factor in the 2008 crash
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:39 AM
Jan 2016
Some critics, such as Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz, have long seen the changes to Glass-Steagall as a major factor in the 2008 crash. By bringing "investment and commercial banks together, the investment bank culture came out on top," Stiglitz wrote in 2009. "There was a demand for the kind of high returns that could be obtained only through high leverage and big risk-taking."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/14/448685233/fact-check-did-glass-steagall-cause-the-2008-financial-crisis


kelly1mm

(4,735 posts)
12. That is his opinion. You may disagree but it is not a lie. Claiming you were under sniper fire at
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jan 2016

an airport in Bosnia when you were filmed being greeted with your daughter by schoolchildren and handed flowers, now that would be a lie.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
13. It's posts like these that make me really annoyed with the Hillary camp.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:14 PM
Jan 2016

We should all be fighting for more regulation of Wall Street. The repeal of Glass-Steagall was a big deal. To attack Bernie for wanting to reinstate it looks like you are parroting Hillary's talking points at best, or it makes you look like a Wall Street stooge at worst.

pnwmom

(109,023 posts)
14. I agree with him about wanting to reinstate it. What I object to is his
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:16 PM
Jan 2016

implying that Hillary was somehow responsible for the 2008 crash because Glass-Stegall was overturned legislatively while Bill was President.

pnwmom

(109,023 posts)
21. She doesn't want to simply reinstate that limited bill. She wants to put a more comprehensive
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jan 2016

bill in place, would regulate both the banks AND the shadow banking industry.

pnwmom

(109,023 posts)
20. I expected better of Bernie. He knows that the repeal of G-S didn't cause the crash.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:24 PM
Jan 2016

He shouldn't be blaming Hillary for 2008 by implying that the legislation passed during her husband's era caused the crash.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
24. If Glass-Stegall were still in place we could have just let the giant investment banks fail.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:06 AM
Jan 2016

That would have purged the system of all the imaginary assets.

jg10003

(976 posts)
26. Robert Reich explains how Glass-Steagall caused the 2008 crisis
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jan 2016
http://robertreich.org/post/124114229225


"To this day some Wall Street apologists argue Glass-Steagall wouldn’t have prevented the 2008 crisis because the real culprits were nonbanks like Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns.

Baloney. These nonbanks got their funding from the big banks in the form of lines of credit, mortgages, and repurchase agreements. If the big banks hadn’t provided them the money, the nonbanks wouldn’t have got into trouble.

And why were the banks able to give them easy credit on bad collateral? Because Glass-Steagall was gone."

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
43. No the vote was much more than two thirds.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jan 2016

A congressional voting record is a part of history. How many times is the fact Hillary voted for the IWR but it is forgotten Bush made the decision to invade before the inspections completed? Sanders is responsible for this vote, it does not get erased from his record.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
42. I was just listening to an MIT professor on finance say the exact opposite.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:48 AM
Jan 2016

You'll have to excuse me if I value their opinion over yours on that matter.

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