2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy is Bernie lying? He knows Glass-Stegall had very little to do with
the crash of 2008. That crash was caused by the shadow banking industry that wasn't affected by Glass-Stegall. That industry didn't even EXIST during the Glass-Stegall era.
If you don't believe me, do you believe Elizabeth Warren? She acknowledges that Glass-Stegall wouldn't have prevented the crash.
I guess Bernie's just another politician after all.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/reinstating-an-old-rule-is-not-a-cure-for-crisis/?_r=0
Bringing back something akin to Glass-Steagall would clearly help limit risk in the system. And thats a very good and worthy goal. Letting banks sell securities and insurance products and services allowed them to grow too big too fast, and fueled a culture that put profit and pay over prudence.
But heres the key: Glass-Steagall wouldnt have prevented the last financial crisis. And it probably wouldnt have prevented JPMorgans $2 billion-plus trading loss. The loss occurred on the commercial side of the bank, not at the investment bank. But parts of the bet were made with synthetic credit derivatives something that George Bailey in Its a Wonderful Life would never have touched.
When I called Ms. Warren and pressed her about whether she thought the financial crisis or JPMorgans losses could have been avoided if Glass-Steagall were in place, she conceded: The answer is probably No to both.
http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/050515/did-repeal-glasssteagall-act-contribute-2008-financial-crisis.asp
The repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act was a minor contributor to the financial crisis, if it contributed to the crisis at all. At the heart of the 2008 financial crisis was nearly $5 trillion worth of basically worthless mortgage loans. Since non-bank lenders originated the overwhelming majority of these mortgages, an attempt to blame the financial crisis on a failure of banking regulation represents a logical disconnect from the facts of the situation.
The portion of the repealed Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 on which some economists try to pin the blame for the financial crisis is the part that prevented banks from operating as both commercial or retail banks and investment banks. The theory is that allowing banks to act in both the commercial and investment fields somehow was responsible for the creation of all the mortgage-backed derivatives that were eventually shown to be worth less than the paper on which they were written. This theory cannot be supported by the facts, however. The buyers of over half of the subprime mortgages in the 10 years leading up to the 2008 crisis were not banks either commercial, investment or both but Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Many of the mortgage-backed derivatives were created and sold by banks, but there is virtually no connection between that fact and the Glass-Steagall Act. Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch, along with Goldman Sachs, were all major players in the subprime mortgage meltdown, but none of these investment banks had ever taken advantage of the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and ventured into commercial banking. They were strictly investment banks, just as they had been before Glass-Steagall was repealed.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Because when Glass Steagall was in effect, the banks weren't allowed to gamble with federally insured deposits.
That's how it worked.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)that held most of these worthless mortgages.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)H said it was the home buyers who believed the lies the mortgage bankers told them. Then the bad mortgages were sold by the non-banking institutions as good debt. Which they could do because Bill got rid of regulations like Glass-Stegall.
H is blaming the victims. Bernie isn't the one lying.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)these problems.
Too bad Bernie's trying to spin it that way.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/reinstating-an-old-rule-is-not-a-cure-for-crisis/?_r=0
Bringing back something akin to Glass-Steagall would clearly help limit risk in the system. And thats a very good and worthy goal. Letting banks sell securities and insurance products and services allowed them to grow too big too fast, and fueled a culture that put profit and pay over prudence.
But heres the key: Glass-Steagall wouldnt have prevented the last financial crisis. And it probably wouldnt have prevented JPMorgans $2 billion-plus trading loss. The loss occurred on the commercial side of the bank, not at the investment bank. But parts of the bet were made with synthetic credit derivatives something that George Bailey in Its a Wonderful Life would never have touched.
When I called Ms. Warren and pressed her about whether she thought the financial crisis or JPMorgans losses could have been avoided if Glass-Steagall were in place, she conceded: The answer is probably No to both.
appalachiablue
(41,197 posts)and so many others including Rubin push for years to eliminate the landmark banking reform act of 1933 under FDR? What a crock, lie. And it's STEAGALL.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)wasn't related to what happened in 2008.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Excerpt:
The bank supporters' attacks on this clear-as-a-bell narrative deserve a hearing to show how flimsy they are. One bank supporter says you cannot blame banks for fraudulent loan originations because that was done by unscrupulous mortgage brokers. This is nonsense. The brokers would not have been able to fund the loans in the first place if the banks had not been buying their production.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Seems you have disputed your own point
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)wouldn't be enough to regulate them now.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)"I guess Bernie's just another politician after all."
Run with it.
For hogwash
DanTex
(20,709 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)To keep that "shadow banking industry" from existing.
You just don't get it.
bvf
(6,604 posts)simply not wanting to get it.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Robert Reich: Why Hillary Clinton Is Wrong for Refusing To Resurrect Glass-Steagall
http://inthesetimes.com/article/18493/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-glass-steagall-wall-street
think
(11,641 posts)Some critics, such as Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz, have long seen the changes to Glass-Steagall as a major factor in the 2008 crash. By bringing "investment and commercial banks together, the investment bank culture came out on top," Stiglitz wrote in 2009. "There was a demand for the kind of high returns that could be obtained only through high leverage and big risk-taking."
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/14/448685233/fact-check-did-glass-steagall-cause-the-2008-financial-crisis
kelly1mm
(4,735 posts)an airport in Bosnia when you were filmed being greeted with your daughter by schoolchildren and handed flowers, now that would be a lie.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)We should all be fighting for more regulation of Wall Street. The repeal of Glass-Steagall was a big deal. To attack Bernie for wanting to reinstate it looks like you are parroting Hillary's talking points at best, or it makes you look like a Wall Street stooge at worst.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)implying that Hillary was somehow responsible for the 2008 crash because Glass-Stegall was overturned legislatively while Bill was President.
karynnj
(59,508 posts)which is true.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)bill in place, would regulate both the banks AND the shadow banking industry.
karynnj
(59,508 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You should just delete the whole OP and walk away from the keyboard?
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)I expected better from you pnwmom.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)He shouldn't be blaming Hillary for 2008 by implying that the legislation passed during her husband's era caused the crash.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Why?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)That would have purged the system of all the imaginary assets.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)jg10003
(976 posts)"To this day some Wall Street apologists argue Glass-Steagall wouldnt have prevented the 2008 crisis because the real culprits were nonbanks like Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns.
Baloney. These nonbanks got their funding from the big banks in the form of lines of credit, mortgages, and repurchase agreements. If the big banks hadnt provided them the money, the nonbanks wouldnt have got into trouble.
And why were the banks able to give them easy credit on bad collateral? Because Glass-Steagall was gone."
cui bono
(19,926 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)He's a good politician
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)neverforget
(9,437 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)neverforget
(9,437 posts)Who knew?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)A congressional voting record is a part of history. How many times is the fact Hillary voted for the IWR but it is forgotten Bush made the decision to invade before the inspections completed? Sanders is responsible for this vote, it does not get erased from his record.
neverforget
(9,437 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)You say what your base wants to hear.
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bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)You'll have to excuse me if I value their opinion over yours on that matter.