Annnnd the Headline on CNN:

[Le Taz Hot]

"Bernie Sanders: 'We Will Raise Taxes." (And nothing after that. They sort of forgot about the offset parts.) CNN, owned by Time-Warner, a large contributor to the Clinton campaign.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/25/politics/democratic-town-hall-highlights/index.html

[Dawson Leery]

1. Well,

he said it.

[Motown_Johnny]

2. and it is being misrepresented

[Le Taz Hot]

4. There were a few words after that that are

pretty important but the spin wouldn't have been as good.

[think]

38. Some people don't care about context as long as the meme fits their theme....

[hrmjustin]

6. Yep.

[Dawson Leery]

7. The bright shiny object can never be questioned.

[hrmjustin]

8. And you are evil if you do.

[nolabear]

3. That would be my headline. It's the news.

[onecaliberal]

11. If you lie and prefer to mislead I guess it would be.

[Fawke Em]

12. No. The news is what you save.

Sanders Plans Raises Taxes; Saves Average Family $5,000 a Year

There - not so hard, more accurate and still short enough for a headline.

[nolabear]

18. That's still just a claim though. He needs facts to back it up first. Then it can be a headline.

[TCJ70]

21. I'll back it up for you...

...based on his current released figures (all I can use), my family stands to save about $4,400/year.

Edit to add: http://valadian.github.io/SandersHealthcareCalculator/

[nolabear]

23. Excellent! Congratulations. I'll admit I don't know exactly how he's going to implement it.

And that is a big factor in how taxation will work. It's not simple, as I'm sure you know.

[A Little Weird]

61. Wow thanks for the link

I actually have pretty decent, affordable insurance and it still estimates that I would save over $2000 and my employer over $9000!

[Fawke Em]

39. He has backed it up.

I can't help it that our idiotic news media can't read a proposal or use a calculator.



(Not your fault, of course, but try the calculator the other poster linked to. It really is eye opening. I'm one of the lucky few whose company pays my health insurance premiums, even though I have high co-pays and deductibles, and I STILL save nearly $1,000 a year. My company would save about $9,000!! Businesses should LOVE this plan!)

[beam me up scottie]

5. He could have lied, someone else would have.

Bernie is honest to a fault.

[TCJ70]

9. It's amazing how that isn't respected...

...isn't it?

[beam me up scottie]

15. This is why his supporters are so nuts about him.

They recognize it, they respect it, and they fight for him.

[draa]

25. In the that's what will win him the election.

People are tired of being lied to and most can tell when someone is doing that. Yes, even the elderly people.

[nolabear]

20. I think it's well respected. Never heard anyone say they didn't.

[beam me up scottie]

33. Are you kidding me?

They've called him every name in the book and then some. There's a thread on this page calling him a liar as I type this.

[Fawke Em]

10. Go on social media and take them down.

That's the only way to combat these establishment asses.

I hit their Tweet and changed their suggestion to: "@CNNPolitics conveniently forgets to mention that we'll no longer be paying out the nose for healthcare premiums."

[Kali]

13. and he can bring it up from now on and hit with the rest of the sentence

and eliminate your insurance premiums.

[morningfog]

16. Yep. He'll be asked about it dozens of times now. I'm fine with it. We know he is right.

[morningfog]

14. Good. Keep people talking about Bernie and his proposals.

There used to be a thing, of which we were proud to be, a "tax and send liberal." It is how we provide for the people.

Thank you, Bernie, for not shying away and not hiding because the republicans have made social services a bad word.

[draa]

32. THIS^^^

This not a bad thing for our party and it needed to be out front. More sunlight on the issue works in Bernie's favor.

[TCJ70]

17. Clicking on that headline does...

...go into the removal of premiums as an offset. It's a clickbait headline but will unfortunately misinform more than inform.

[restorefreedom]

19. fuck cnn

their hillary headline better fucking be

clinton: we will go to war in syria, iran

[nolabear]

24. Should she happen to say that I'm sure it will be.

[restorefreedom]

29. i am sure no question that would elicit such an answer

will ever be asked

[Oilwellian]

66. Or how about...

"Wall Street gave me so much money because of 911."

[restorefreedom]

67. ugh. yeah, thats it...911 (barf) nt

[DanTex]

22. It's horrible. They quoted him verbatim! How dare they?

[JonLeibowitz]

27. Obama: "Some say I'm a Muslim" CNN: "I'm a muslim". See the problem? It's called context.

[DanTex]

31. LOL. Yes, that's exactly the same.

[JonLeibowitz]

40. No, but it is indeed similar. And the similarity is the point. n/t

[DanTex]

43. Well, no, it's not remotely similar. You see, Bernie is actually going to raise taxes.

[JonLeibowitz]

44. There is that context again -- missing! n/t

[DanTex]

48. Are you claiming Bernie is not going to raise taxes?

[JonLeibowitz]

52. If I make more money in 2016 than 2015 I pay more money to the government.

Did my taxes go up in 2016?

Same principle applies -- what matters is the difference in after-tax after-healthcare income.

[DanTex]

54. If the percentage you paid went up, as it would under Bernie, then yes.

[JonLeibowitz]

57. Fail. You didn't answer the question.

Also, making more money always increases the percentage of gross income paid -- that's the nature of a progressive tax system.

[DanTex]

58. Yes, I answered the question. You just don't like the answer.

Bernie wants to raise taxes, he gets to own it. I'm not sure why Bernie fans want CNN to repeat his propaganda.

[JonLeibowitz]

59. I'll leave it to the readers to see how you failed to address the question. Good day.

[DanTex]

60. Good times.

[Broward]

45. But the average person will save money.

Feel free to play dumb though.

[DanTex]

46. Depending on how the unicorns turn out. But the tax raise is real.

[Broward]

49. There is no tax raise without the savings, but you already knew that.

[DanTex]

51. Of course there is. The tax rate is a certainty. The savings are projections.

[Broward]

55. Forget it, you're not being serious. Just playing a fool.

[DanTex]

56. I'd say the same about you. But I think you don't even realize it.

[JonLeibowitz]

50. The Tax raise is coupled with the health care plan. Nobody is raising taxes just because.

That is absurd.

[DanTex]

53. Yes it is. Will the healthcare plan work? Most people don't think so.

Obviously, the Bernie worshippers do, but one thing everyone agrees on is that taxes will go up.

[Ed Suspicious]

62. Very nearly.

[hrmjustin]

34. Oh Good God!

[OilemFirchen]

47. "Sanders: We will raise."

Fixed your false dichotomy.

[senz]

26. Bill Clinton raised taxes on the top 1.5% and rightwingers howled.

They said it was the "biggest tax increase in history." It may have been, in pure dollar amounts.

[HerbChestnut]

28. And CNN misses the point entirely

Again.

[Renew Deal]

30. That answer was built to make an attack ad

[Gregorian]

35. Shaping reality. That's journalism!

The outer edges of the meeting were really forcing ideas on viewers. Yuck.

[senz]

36. Hillary supporters who want Bernie's message summed up as "raise your taxes"

are hoping that voters are grossly uninformed and unable see look beyond the headline. But to vote for Hillary, a liberal Democrat would have to be grossly uninformed, so they're probably used to wanting it.

[winter is coming]

42. Oh, let Hillary make a "no new taxes" declaration.

Oh please oh please oh please oh please...

[valerief]

37. No surprise from the No We Can't campaign media supporter. nt

[winter is coming]

41. A lot of politicians over the years have promised not to raise our taxes.

Either they end up breaking their promise or they cut spending. Guess who always gets screwed when they cut spending?

[Odin2005]

63. I knew it, they are going to try to make this into a "Dean Scream" moment!

[redstateblues]

64. Bernie just lost any chance of winning in the GE

running on raising taxes did not work well for Mondale or Dukakis either

[jillan]

65. He needs a better answer. We can complain about the media but they're not going to change.

He needs a short simple sentence to explain it.

The word taxes has become poisonous. As soon as he said it, I knew this would happen. People hear that word and they shut down.