2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders won my vote tonight
I say that with all due respect to Hillary Clinton.
My wife and I love the Clintons. My wife has been for Bernie for months now and she was a die hard Hillary supporter back in 2008.
Our daughters name is Chelsea and that is not a coincidence.
After my better half and the kids went to bed, I watched the town hall by myself.
Bernie Sanders is the real deal. While I have no doubt what -so- ever that Secretary Clinton would be a good president I think Mr. Sanders will be GREAT.
I think we are all living through a future Ken Burns documentary.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Love it.
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draa
(975 posts)wilsonbooks
(972 posts)Remember the frank Capra movie, Mr. Smith goes to Washington? Mr. Sanders has hit Washington this time.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)And I hope he will succede.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)The Second American Revolution?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)californiabernin
(421 posts)I suspect it's going to be "Trump vs. Sanders, A Revolution in American Politics."
Will make one hell of a documentary if Sanders wins vs. Trump; if he doesn't there may not be any more American documentaries to make.
Fortunately, given current demographics, Trump won't stand a chance. He has denigrated more than one too many.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Bernin4U
(812 posts)But that if he does, by even just the smallest of margins, the media talking heads will feel justified in their claim of "see, just as we told you, he never had a chance."
Then they'll quickly bury any and all evidence of this movement a mile under ground.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)out of it? That was a desperate move.
I was embarrassed for Hillary trying to prove to the world that she really does have the experience to be president. She talked too much about herself rather than really responding to the questions and creating the sense of a future that we can all share and work toward.
She did not do well. We shall see, but Bernie in my view was the strongest of the three.
O'Malley is a great guy. Very kind. It's just that he is overshadowed by Bernie.
We really need Bernie.
It was embarrassing when Hillary was asked about inequality -- income inequality and reminded of Biden's statement that the issue of income inequality is new to Hillary -- and then she talked about other kinds of inequality, avoiding the question really.
It demonstrated how terribly weak Hillary really is on income inequality. And then she said how she had been for equality for 40 years. But she is relatively new to equality in marriage for LGBTs. She did not do well in the part of her responses that I saw.
I did not see all of Hillary's questions and answers because the video I watched only showed part of it. I felt so relieved when the video ended prematurely because I was suffering through Hillary's answers. She is extremely self-centered in her presentation. I don't know whether she is really like that or just very insecure about her qualifications or maybe, possibly as another alternative, just wants to be president to be president and not because she wants to lead the country in a certain direction.
Hillary seems rudderless, just sort of lost in this election. That' my take on it. She is so directionless. I never heard what she wanted to do about income inequality and wealth inequality. It has grown greatly in the last 30 years. It is beginning to threaten our way of life and our political system, yet it is not a reality to her and she has no plan or ideas about what to do about it.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Duckfan
(1,268 posts)And damn do we need one.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)stuck by them thru ALL the bad times. thought HRC would be my candidate in 08 (second choice after Edwards) b/c -- get this -- i thought Obama wasn't as "electable."
what changed my mind was how the Clinton campaign made such awful attacks toward Obama, with the dogwhistles and over the top rhetoric.
the "electability" argument was very persuasive...up to a point. when HRC went full dark mode i just couldn't justify it anymore. clearly i wasn't the only one b/c look who got elected.
Nightjock
(1,408 posts)and despite my consistent pleas in 2008 my wife stayed with Hillary. That's why I was completely and utterly shocked a couple months ago when my wife said she was supporting Sanders. It took me a long time in 2016 to get off the fence (but then again I don't vote until the New York primary.)
We are living through a fascinating/scary time and we are going to see a major uplifting point in the history of this nation. Hardly anyone is predicting it right now but I see it in my daughter and the younger generation. The old ways of polls and politics is changing.
A barrage of Karl Rove lying tv commercials, a "news" propaganda network Goebles would be proud of or shameless swift boating veterans are not going to stop Bernie Sanders. Call me silly or naive but I see it like it happened already.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, Nightjock.