Martin O’Malley encourages his backers to support Bernie Sanders

[Lorien]

In the closing two comments of Martin O’Malley’s appearance on the latest Democratic Town Hall event, Martin O’Malley, not so inconspicuously, urged his Iowa contingent to back Bernie Sanders if they do not reach the 15% needed in the deranged caucus format to cast a vote for O’Malley. Specifically he said, “America’s looking for a new leader… We can not be this fed up with our gridlocked dysfunctional national politics and think that a resort to old ideologies or old names (ie. Clinton) (BTW this is why we should infer that when O’Malley uses “new” later in his responses that he is excluding Hillary Clinton) is going to lead us forward… America needs new leadership and I need the O’Malley supporters out there on caucus night to hold strong and move forward like Iowa does.” Forward is not referring the status quo and old ideologies attached to the Clinton name. He continues during his next and final question with his implied support of Sanders by saying, “Time and time again in the history of the state of Iowa, Iowa has found a way to sort the the noise and sort through the national polls and lift up a new leader for our country… That is what you did eight years ago when you lifted up Barrack Obama (over Clinton) to lead our country forward and we need to build upon his good work and continue to move forward… I’m not here to praise you Iowa, I’m here to challenge you. Lift up a new leader. Because you can change the course of this presidential race. (From Clinton to Sanders) You can shift this dynamic on caucus night… There is nothing so divided about our national politics that it can not be healed with a renewed faith in each other and new leadership… But I think it important, in order to move our country forward, that once again Iowa lift up a new leader…”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/25/1475230/-Martin-O-Malley-encourages-his-backers-to-support-Bernie-Sanders

[Empowerer]

1. O'Malley was actually encouraging his backers to support O'Malley

telling them that they could change the course of the presidential race from Clinton and Sanders (both of whom are old names) to O'Malley.

Nice try, though.

[elleng]

20. Yes he WAS and STILL IS encouraging his backers to support O'Malley.

Not a 'nice try,' but thanks for being 'nice,' Empowerer.

[workinclasszero]

41. Lol....Bernie fans just tryin to...

...."help" MOM fans out yall.

[ViseGrip]

2. Way to go Martin O'Malley!

[NurseJackie]

3. This is so silly. :-P

[Renew Deal]

4. Your post is an outright lie

"BTW this is why we should infer" = I'm lying.

[Lorien]

7. It's from Daily Kos

You can complain to them there if you like.

[Renew Deal]

8. And you posted it here.

Do you stand by it?

[99Forever]

23. Really!!!!!!!

What sort of person would the gall to post a politcal opinion about a Democratic primary on a political forum specifically about the Democratic primaries?


The nerve of 'em.

[Renew Deal]

25. The subject line is not an opinion. It is lie.

[99Forever]

30. IT'S AN OPINION.

Just like most things posted here.

That you don't happen to agree with it doesn't make it a lie.

[Renew Deal]

33. It is posted as a matter of fact. The fact is untrue.

That makes it a lie. Most respondents in this thread agree that it's a lie.

[99Forever]

36. Who apppinted you...

....arbitor of truth?

I missed that memo.

[Renew Deal]

55. I'd ask you the same thing

[99Forever]

59. I'm not the person calling another member a liar.

So fucking ask away.

Another nice bucket of fail.

[PatrynXX]

62. I don't know how they let that go

Face Palm. Daily Kos is the one lying not the member

[Renew Deal]

63. its long past time to admit you're wrong

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1071158

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511070484#post56

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511070484#post58

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511070484#post50

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511070484#post49

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511070484#post47

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511070484#post42

And there's plenty more

[PatrynXX]

65. who's wrong?

your wrong by claiming the poster is lying , the poster shouldn't be guilty via accociation or we'll be talking about the weather underground again

[Renew Deal]

66. Huh?

I didn't claim the poster was lying. I claim that the subject line of the post is a lie and most respondents agree. There is no guilt by association.

[99Forever]

73. Good grief.

Obsess much?

It's long past time for something alright.

Bub bye.

[Andy823]

9. You reposted it here

So that makes you just as guilty of spreading BS as Daily Kos.

[lovemydog]

61. The author of that article either didn't watch the debate

or doesn't understand plain speaking.

O'Malley could not have been more clear. He encouraged his supporters to back Martin O'Malley.

[Renew Deal]

64. What's embarrassing is it was O'Malleys strongest and most memorable moment the entire night

That's what makes it so obviously wrong.

[lovemydog]

69. I thought he was outstanding all evening

and that was certainly a significant aspect of it.

[riversedge]

37. I hope you alerted on it.

[TacoD]

57. Jury results:

On Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:25 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Your post is an outright lie
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1070533

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Directly calling the OP a liar isn't acceptable, and happens too much. This poster does it twice in one post without confronting why he thinks so, and continues the attack in the thread.

This is the kind of person who drags down the discourse at DU.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:32 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Warranted in this instance.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yes, the poster doesn't seem to understand that really really REALLY disagreeing with someone else's opinion does not make it a "lie," nor does he or she even deign to discuss the point beyond screaming about it. That's not discussion. HIDE.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Poster needs to find a way to disagree without calling others "Liar!". Pretty basic stuff. I'm tired of it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Word choice may not be optimal discourse, but seems to be saying the same thing as other responses in the thread. Do we remove them all? Also seems to be pointing out the post is a lie, not the person posting it. Again, others are saying the same thing.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Kip Humphrey]

5. Thank you Martin. Redemption is a long, hard road. I salute you for walking it. As a former 25-year

resident of Baltimore, I ask that you please apply your efforts attending to the horrific damage you did to Baltimore City during your tenure. It is desperately needed there.

[Andy823]

6. What a bunch of bull.

He was talking about those going to the caucus to think hard about a "mew leader", and that would be him. He was not promoting his supporters to go for anyone else. This is why I have such a hard time with Bernie's supporters, they seem to like to throw out BS like this and make claims that are not real. Posting stuff like this sheds a bad light on Bernie, not to mention those who are posting this crap.

[Renew Deal]

11. This is the third big lie posted by them today.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Do you think that might be their way of saying last night didn't go well for them? /nt

[Renew Deal]

15. No

It's greed

[Trajan]

16. The problems we face ...

Are bigger than a candidate's supporters ...

You see ONE person making this claim, and suddenly, ALL Bernie supporters are stark raving lunatics?

Sayonara ...

[FSogol]

18. That nonsense was drug over to DU and currently has recs from 8 Sanders supporters.

so it isn't just one person being dishonest.

[Number23]

79. 61 now!

[elleng]

80. FOOLS!

[Number23]

82. You are showing far more kindness and restraint than they deserve.

[elleng]

83. Doing my best, Number23.

[Andy823]

24. OK I should have said his "radical" supporters

Sadly the "radical" ones who spread this shit are the more vocal of his supporters. I think that there are "real" supporters for Bernie who won't sink to post out right BS, and there those more "radical" ones who post any crap they can no matter if it's true or not, and no matter where it might come from, including right wind sites.

I can say that whether you want to believe it or not, what supporters say and do make a difference in how people view the actual candidate. I like Bernie, but he has some very questionable supporters, and members of his team who don't seem to real care about how they make him look by saying the things they say. Constantly bashing the other candidates to make your candidate look good does not work.

[synergie]

48. Well, the "radical" ones engaging in the dishonesty are not actual supporters, they

make that rather clear in how they smear liberals, progressives and actual Democrats with right wing talking points.

The problem is that people are so infected by primary hysteria that they will believe whatever sounds good to them, and don't bother with checking their facts.

There needs to be push back from actual Bernie supporters when inanity like this is posted, but so many either just roll their eyes and move on, or they've stopped participating because of the sheer toxicity. Many other are having their worst fears reinforced with the online echo chamber and truly believe the conspiracy theories and the media is trying very hard to inflame the matter in their desire to have more things to cover. Remember that the biggest complaint over the past few months has been how boring the Democratic primaries are, and then the dirty tricks and the "anonymous Democrat" started making the rounds and catering to the persecutory delusions and the conspiracy theories.

A lot of these guys aren't people who are really on his team, they are just terrified of facing his opponent in a General, and firing up the hate and manipulating supporters is an excellent way to get the opponent they want.

Sadly, there really isn't much Bernie can do about it, but his campaign does seem to be taking advantage of it, citing it as "passion" and "enthusiasm", though most of is not pro-Bernie, just anti-Clinton. I'm not sure many even pay that much attention to Martin, whose candidacy actually has been facing the things that the Bernie supporters claim on Bernie's behalf. (The blackout for instance, where Bernie himself and his surrogates were all over the media, including the hosts, while Martin is barely covered at all.)

[NCTraveler]

10. That is horrific writing to say the least.

Last edited Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Our education system sucks. The author of this piece simply can't comprehend what he is reading. Now they have left it up to us to attempt to comprehend their writing.

Suggestion: Get the reading part down first.

[one_voice]

12. .

[bigtree]

13. he did not

...this is tripe.

[FSogol]

17. Ridiculous prevarications. The DailyKos piece is an outright lie and misrepresentation of what he said

That so many gullible Sanders supporters (8 recs so far) want to believe it really says something.

[elleng]

19. This is NOT TRUE, and should NOT be repeated here.

The writer's inference is INCORRECT. The New Leadership Governor O'Malley refers to is HIMSELF.

[sadoldgirl]

21. Well, people might interpret anything differently

as for instance the 2nd Amendment, HOWEVER

what I heard from him was:Keep voting for me,
and don't give up!

And as the most energetic speaker last night, I
think he was spot on there. You don't give
up while running for the office before even
one vote has been counted.

Just me speaking now:That question should not
have been allowed, because it was rude.

[elleng]

27. RIGHT the most energetic,

Don't Give Up!

[beam me up scottie]

22. I disagree, O'Malley was obviously referring to himself.

[elleng]

26. "Hold strong. "That is the message I told my supporters in Iowa tonight.

"We’ve been running a true Iowa campaign so far. We have held more than 170 events, I have stood on more than 170 chairs, and I have taken my jacket off more than 170 times before answering questions from caucus goers across the state.

"Our country is moving to a more connected and compassionate place. We need to move beyond these divided times. I have the experience of doing just that. Over my 15 years of executive experience, I worked with members of both parties to move my state forward and get things done.

"We need a new leader to do the same thing in Washington, and to build on President Obama’s accomplishments.

"As I told my supporters in Iowa, hold strong, and lift me up as a new leader."

Martin O’Malley

[kenfrequed]

35. Yup. Agreed.

I do not think that his message was "go ahead and switch to Bernie." I think he literally means to stick with it and try to represent as best they can.


I personally think that if individual caucuses don't have enough O'Malley support that some of the language in there might, MIGHT, be more suggestive towards Bernie over Hillary. But that is only by a matter of slight degrees.


But again, overall his message was 'stick with me, stay strong, hold out!'

[BainsBane]

28. Wow. It's sad when supporters feel they have to resort to deception

to generate support for their candidate. And these are the people who call Clinton liars.

[farleftlib]

29. Does sniper fire in Bosnia ring any bells?

Chelsea jogging around the WTC on 9/11? Being named after Sir Edmund Hillary? and the list goes on.

[BainsBane]

40. Or Bernie claiming he didn't vote to give immunity to gun corporations?

When he clearly did? Promising to overturn citizens united as soon as he's elected? Claiming poverty is at its highest rate in US history when in fact it isn't? And then denying he has voted with the gun lobby, when his votes are a matter of public record. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/democratic-debate-fact-check/
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/37/guns

By all means, you worry about how she described her many trips to Bosnia and Afghanistan. I care about policy.

(We could talk about the photoshopped photos released by his campaign, but as I said, I care more about issues).

[Number23]

81. "We could talk about the photoshopped photos released by his campaign"

Frenchie referred to this yesterday. What is this about?

[kenfrequed]

31. In all honesty he told them to "hold on"

Or to "hold out."

I don't think you can claim that that means "back Bernie."


However, I do think that someone could read between the lines and determine that it might mean to favor Bernie over Hillary if, in some caucuses they don't get to viability,

[one_voice]

32. This is still here pretending to be some sort of truth?

[Betty Karlson]

34. One can hope...

[riversedge]

38. At least the lie posted on KOS hs a ? mark after the headline.

[Faux pas]

39. Good man Martin O'Malley!

[Orangepeel]

42. Whelp, spreading shot like this is one way to force him to endorse Hillary sooner than he would have

[George II]

53. Exactly. Anyone who knows O'Malley knows two things:

1. He's campaigning for himself.
2. If and when he withdraws, he'll throw his support behind Hillary Clinton

This is just grasping at straws, wishful thinking, and dreaming.

PS - if he WASN'T talking about himself, how do we know he wasn't talking about Donald Trump?

[retrowire]

43. As a Bernie supporter...

I denounce this thread. Bad form. Bad bad form. O'Malley is strong and in it to win it. It likely won't happen but, this is a cheap attempt to steal his supporters. Bad bad bad...

[navarth]

46. Yeah I must agree

I didn't get that from Gov. O'Malley at all.

But to me the big story is that fuckwit Cuomo asking him such a fucked up question.

[Helen Borg]

44. That is going to be the 5% that

will break Hillary's back in Iowa!

[OilemFirchen]

45. Everything is about Bernie.

[Mass]

47. On what planet? He was arguing for people to vote for him.

The new leader he was speaking about was himself.

[George II]

49. That's how those comments have been interpreted? Major stretch. Who knows, maybe he was....

....(perish the thought) talking about himself? That writer was disingenuous by throwing in those ( )s.

Amazing the projection and speculation that goes on during a campaign.

[MuseRider]

50. I sure did not hear that.

I can see how it could be construed to mean that but I am pretty certain he was just wanting people to come out in enough numbers for him to be able to compete there.

He is still in this to win and he should be allowed to continue, not that you OP inferred he not continue.

[kecpdx]

51. Whoops. You included an "s" at the end of the word "backer"

n/t

[valerief]

52. K&R

[elleng]

54. NOT a good idea to K&R this,

as it is NOT TRUE, the writer mis-inferred (to put it mildly.) Governor O'Malley's position is THIS, for your information:

"Hold strong. "That is the message I told my supporters in Iowa tonight.

"We’ve been running a true Iowa campaign so far. We have held more than 170 events, I have stood on more than 170 chairs, and I have taken my jacket off more than 170 times before answering questions from caucus goers across the state.

"Our country is moving to a more connected and compassionate place. We need to move beyond these divided times. I have the experience of doing just that. Over my 15 years of executive experience, I worked with members of both parties to move my state forward and get things done.

"We need a new leader to do the same thing in Washington, and to build on President Obama’s accomplishments.

"As I told my supporters in Iowa, hold strong, and lift me up as a new leader."

Martin O’Malley

[Politicub]

56. The Dkos diarist is lying through his teeth

O'Malley certainly did not say this. Sanders is getting strong support. There's no need to resort to lies or "inferences".

[lovemydog]

58. I watched last night - that's incorrect.

He encouraged his backers to support Martin O'Malley for President.

[Jefferson23]

67. This OP should have ZERO recommends. Poor form, totally. n/t

[Andy823]

84. Yep

Yet it has 66 at the moment. Doesn't say much for those who would rec a pure bullshit lie.

[JI7]

68. does this mean people will stop saying he is in it to help Hillary and he is trying to be her VP ?

[lovemydog]

70. Right now we have a brouhaha

because O'Malley clearly didn't say that last night. He encouraged his supporters to vote for O'Malley. You'll see that in the rest of this thread JI7, in the comments by those of us who watched the debate.

[JI7]

71. i think the OP should delete this thread

[FSogol]

72. I agree. It takes a colossal amount of intellectual dishonesty to pretend O'Malley wasn't talking

about himself. This thread and it recs are very disappointing.

[MeNMyVolt]

77. Completely agree. If they care anything about their rep here.

[Bobbie Jo]

85. That ship has sailed. nt

[Koinos]

74. Do Daily Kos and the OP really want to piss off O'Malley supporters?

O'Malley supporters are amazingly civilized in the face of outrageous attacks and innuendos made against their candidate. They are good principled folk with a lot of heart who still believe that their candidate stands heads and shoulders above the others. I am getting Sanders fatigue from Daily Kos and certain Bernie "supporters," who are clueless when it comes to knowing how to appeal to supporters of other candidates. Martin O'Malley won't stand aside, and neither will we.

Lorien, delete this thread NOW. I will also let Daily Kos know how I feel about this crap. They ought to know better.

Honestly, do any Bernie supporters really believe it is wise to alienate O'Malley supporters in this primary and in the coming general election? That would be politically insane.

So get rid of this awful thread. And let's all let Daily Kos know what we think of this sort of tripe.

[stevenleser]

87. They don't care about you and don't understand why they should.

They try for any cheap shot "victory" they can get at any non Sanders supporters expense and they don't understand why that's not a good idea.

[Peacetrain]

75. Boy have you got that bass ackwards.. he was talking to the O'Malley supporters

to stay strong at caucus..

[Political_Junkie]

76. I actually took his comment on "old ideologies" to be about Bernie.

I thought it was a dig at Socialism.

[BlueMTexpat]

78. Nice skew on what MOM

actually said. He wants his supporters to support HIM. Period.

[Skwmom]

86. You need to add the question mark. n/t

[stevenleser]

88. I'm kicking and reccing this not because I agree with it but because this is just

keenly emblematic of the behavior of Sanders supporters.

O'Malley supporters, I'm sorry you have to be on the receiving end of it this time but you can see what it would be like if Sanders supporters viewed your candidate as a threat. This is just a small sample.

[Andy823]

89. I will kick it up

But I sure won't rec it. This is just plain stupid to post shit like this and make the claims that have been made. This poster should have deleted this like a long time ago. This is the kind of thing that makes Bernie look bad because of something dumb his followers do.