2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA Confederacy of Dunces: The Democratic Establishment’s Assault on Sanders Begins
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/01/26/confederacy-dunces-democratic-establishments-assault-sanders-beginsA Confederacy of Dunces: The Democratic Establishments Assault on Sanders Begins
byJohn Atcheson
Sen. Bernard Sanders, whos running to Hillary Clintons left for the Democratic presidential nomination, has become a target for his outspoken challenge to the status quo. (Associated Press)
"When a true genius appears in your world, you may know him by this sign; that all the dunces are against him in a confederacy."
Jonathon Swift
Well, its started. You knew it would. The Democratic establishment is going into attack mode as their anointed one Hillary Clinton is in danger of losing.
Take a look at some of the assaults that have been launched within the last five days:
...more...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If we choose courage over fear; tolerance over jingoism, hate and bigotry; a belief in our own industry, resourcefulness and ability over the siren song of magic markets and easy money; if we stand together, we can put this evil genie back in its bottle, and we can take back our country and make government work again, and make it work for us.
That is the source of our power. And it is the only power that can take on the confederacy that is gathering now, to hold on to what theyve taken.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)He was never a Democrat. He says he wants to bring the party back to being the FDR/JFK party. Problem is, Bernie was anti-JFK in 1960. The far left was against FDR because they too wanted to overthrow the system.
You cannot expect the party to support someone who doesn't support the party. Why would Obama campaign for Bernie when Berns says he does not want any continuation of Obama's policies?
If it comes to that, Obama and Biden may openly endorse Hillary and campaign for her during the primary.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)A Revision of history and reality?
cali
(114,904 posts)And where did you get the information that he was anti-Kennedy in 1960? For that matter has he ever said that he wants to bring the party back to being the JFK party. Please link to sources substantiating your claims.
And Bernie has said he wants to build on Obama's policies.
You consistently make shit up. I'm so tired of that conservadem hillarian habit.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Hillary was a republican! Why do you want to vote for a former republican?
scottie55
(1,400 posts)I mean BAM!!!!
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)is that Elizabeth saw the light, and realized she was in the wrong party because she was concerned about the inequalities in a corrupt system mostly represented by Republican "values".
Hillary jumped into the Democratic party, then not only slid back to her Republican "values" roots, but helped to drag the Democratic party with her in a desperate attempt to align her family, and her greedy Third Way D cohorts in Washington, with those on the receiving end of that inequality.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)mrmpa
(4,033 posts)The Democratic Party should not be what the National Committee says it is, but rather what we its members say it should be.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)---Dawson Leery, post #2, this thread.
...or did you just make that up?
I'm calling BS.
senz
(11,945 posts)They make stuff up.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)heck she's taking pages out of Roves playbook how insulting can you be.. voting for the only Democrat running in the lead. Bernie Sanders. No Clinton Trumps
randys1
(16,286 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)!
shawn703
(2,702 posts)Making shit up as they go. It's tiresome.
Moral Compass
(1,521 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Sanders was getting himself arrested for civil rights and has caucused with Democrats since being in Congress.
Epic, epic fail.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Did you get those talking points from Fox News or Rush?
Bernie was not anti JFK afaik, and he DOES want to bring the Party back to the FDR days, when the Dems cared about people more than corporations.
Bernie only left the Dems, because the Dems left WE THE PEOPLE, in favor of them, the corporations.
SunSeeker
(51,554 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)That's different from "someone who doesn't support the party." Bernie has always supported the Democratic Party, that's why he caucuses with it.
This is typical of the Democratic Party, take your base for granted, and Bernie's supporters represent the base. Obama took the base for granted in both 2008 and 2012.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)... The same old debunked song....with no hint of the real history.
Sanders may have been an Independent, but you pretend he was caucusing with the GOP and anti- anything-Dem... which is completely absurd. He supported the party when it acted progressively.... and even then some. (We've already seen what an Indie who leans way to the right looks like)
The "FAR Left" in FDR's time were mostly Communists, which Sander's isn't. He's really not that "far" left either. (Hey.... isn't he supposed to be a gun nut?) Also, that last FDR term was WWII.... which is most certainly not the USA's normal state affairs anyway. Also, Dems were sorta the conservative party then..... until Civil Rights....
And you'll have to point to where Sanders said he didn't want "ANY continuation of Obama's policies". Policies concerning what exactly? Or is it "any and all"?
"Obama and Biden may openly endorse Hillary" Yeah well.... I don't remember all these Dems using Obama to support their candidacies in the last elections. Do they think he's "usable" now?
These lame memes get trotted out again and again as if they actually mean anything. It's like ditto heads!
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)And lo and behold, first thing someone does is attack.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)Opportunism.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)* Sanders has supported gay rights since 40 years ago. Clinton and Republicans have not.
* Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Clinton & The Republicans do not.
* Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Clinton and Th Republicans do not.
* Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Clinton and the Republicans do not.
* Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Clinton and The Republicans do not.
* Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Clinton and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.
* Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton and The Republicans did not.
* Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Clinton and the Republicans do not.
* Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Clinton and The Republicans do not.
* Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Clinton and The Republicans do not.
* Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Clinton and The Republicans do not.
* Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Clinton and the Republicans do not.
* Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Clinton and the Republicans did not.
* Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Clinton and The Republicans did not.
* Sanders wants to Raise (or eliminate) the CAP on FICA deductions. Clinton and the Republicans do not.
* Sanders opposes unrestricted "Free Trade". Clinton and the Republican do not.
*Clinton and the Republicans want ti INCREASE more cheap foreign labor. Bernie does not.
Hillary sure seems to agree with Republicans a lot.
I don't,
that is why I am a Democrat, and voting for a Democrat....Bernie!
Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #2)
Blue_In_AK This message was self-deleted by its author.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... that have taken over this party to drive it more towards fascist alignment with the economic royalists instead of fighting them off the way a REAL Democrat like FDR did in his time and got reelected THREE TIMES by the people who respected that he worked for THEM and not the power mongers at the top!
jillan
(39,451 posts)that is exactly why so many people support him.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:11 AM - Edit history (1)
I guess the next thing I'll be hearing is that Donald Trump is more of a Democrat than Bernie Sanders.
In any case I think I heard that Bernie doesn't want to just continue President Obama's policies.... he wants to take them to the next level. Links on proof to follow.
Edit: cant be bothered digging up the exact thing i remembered so make do with this offering that alludes to my point: Clinton will continue the status quo and Sanders will want to push harder for the people.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/clinton-sanders-offer-dems-choice-evolution-or-revolution
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Not that I believe a word you said in your post.
It appears you are against new Democrats like Bernie and me. Does that mean you are for the ever increasing loss of party members to the status of unaffiliated?
Why would President Obama support Hillary after he said he would not take a third term if possible because the job needs new ideas on a regular basis if Hillary says she would continue the President's agenda for the most part?
Signed: A Dino from the left, and proud of it
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)is many things, a member of the far left isn't one of them. If that seems so, it may be because the Democratic Party has followed the money trail so far to the right that what was once a liberal social progressive now looks like the disheveled caricature of a Trotskyite bomb thrower to you.
wavesofeuphoria
(525 posts)Pure bloods vs half bloods?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)And is in support of the party and here are posts attacking that very party.
Sad.
G_j
(40,367 posts)btw
Duval
(4,280 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)And you are somehow shocked that progressives overwhelmingly support Sanders? Clinton can say she is a lifelong progressive all she wants; her voting record makes the truth much more clear. Feingold is a Progressive. Wellston was a Progressive. Compare their voting records to hers and maybe it will make some sense to you.
murielm99
(30,740 posts)We are a big tent.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)I'm sick of BSS deciding who REAL Democrats are.
JTFrog
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I don't think you get to arbitrarily decide otherwise.
Just sayin.....
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Action_Patrol
(845 posts)Every single group excludes people that would attack the members of the group.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)get banned for nothing.
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)But every group is a safe haven.
What may have seemed innocent to you could have been insulting or confrontational to someone else.
I don't participate in any of the candidate groups.
Insert smiley doing something here.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)The above is all you needed to be banned from Hillary land. How is that 'insulting or confrontational'?
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)No idea what context that was in or what you used that as a reply to.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Good to know, have a great day.
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)Do you realize I don't know you, have never had discourse with you nor contributed to any of your persecution?
I bet you're awesome at parties.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)I agree with you. Just don't upset the canoe cause the HRC thread-makers have thin skin and will ban you in a heartbeat for questioning their undying loyalty. Cha is a perfect example of that cowardly tactic.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)I was for my first post, which was quite benign. It took less than a minute.
Maybe it was my sig graphic that made someone uncomfortable.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Banned for nothing as well.
Banned for nothing.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Although I might have had hidden bad intentions.....considering.
I didn't even know I had posted in the Hillary Group until I got an email telling me I'd been banned from the group. The offending comment was a long, thoughtful delineation of my evolution from Hillary supporter (when she was FLOTUS) to Hillary critic after witnessing her treatment of Obama in 2008.
nolabear
(41,963 posts)No aggression, no attack, just a couple of questions and when I was attacked I said I didn't think that was doing the cause any good. I was out of there. DU used to be a place to learn.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)" Has Mannie Garcia endorsed anyone yet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannie_Garcia "
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You can see it yourself here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128091802#post2|
Yes, that is all it takes to get banned from the Bernie group, so give it a rest.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I and many others are banned from your precious Bernie group as well.
But I bet you all are good with that right? SMH
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hypocrisy...got to love it?
cali
(114,904 posts)That is a very unhealthy approach.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)questionseverything
(9,654 posts)i miss the yes men
rurallib
(62,415 posts)else we fail.
Wasn't it that great Democratic leader Rudy Giulliani that once said that obedience to authority is the greatest form of freedom?
Feel the freedom!
I'd rather feel the Bern and at least know that we tried to change a rigged system rather than let fear keep us contained.
Broward
(1,976 posts)Should we not call out Party leaders when they stray far from what were once core Democratic principles?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)When "The Party" becomes an untouchable holey object above criticism...like it is a Orwellian entity.
The party is no better than the people that are running it...and when they fail us they must go or we will lose not only elections but the democratic part of the Democratic Party...It is the whole reason for the underground part of DU.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)SunSeeker
(51,554 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Some just care about the name and are glad it's become corporate.
Sad.
.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Factoid: Confederacy of Dunces was also the title of the first novel of John Kennedy O'Toole that was first published 11 years after his suicide at age 31 and won a Pulitzer Prize. The man character was a Don Quixote type.
Nanjeanne
(4,960 posts)Especially this part:
In Sanders we have a leader who against all odds -- has broken through the rigged system, reached out to us, and given voice to the 99% whove been left behind.
If we choose courage over fear; tolerance over jingoism, hate and bigotry; a belief in our own industry, resourcefulness and ability over the siren song of magic markets and easy money; if we stand together, we can put this evil genie back in its bottle, and we can take back our country and make government work again, and make it work for us.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)And like a rock, the hardness of the truth, will survive over the falsehoods made of clay as the waters of time decide which will survive.
senz
(11,945 posts)is going to take some effort.
mythology
(9,527 posts)But also do they really want to risk invoking comparisons to Ignatius J. Reilly?
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)And you do know that the claim that Reilly was a true genius is true only in him mind, right?
cali
(114,904 posts)Tanuki
(14,918 posts)i agree, they may want to rethink this.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)ymetca
(1,182 posts)between "then they fight you" and "then you win" ...
"Then they kill you."
MLK said it better: "I might not get to the mountain top with you.."
Political pragmatists are simply, and always, the status quo. The Establishment.
Faux pas
(14,678 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Powerful article. Let's embrace their hatred for us.
yes, only the attacks on the revolution will be televised, and with great gusto...
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Or to think a little deeper, if it were much farther along than ripe, to the point of being putrid, then such works with attacks or counters only open it up more to hasten more of the nastiness, turmoil and the loss or trust that many have been feeling. Many are getting to know the fact that it is not what is being said but what is being done.
I would even go further to postulate that the only part that will work for establishment clubbers is the counter, as like making it counterproductive for them making such moves. Attacking something larger than your able to conceptualize has never been a good idea
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)ejbr
(5,856 posts)Thanks for sharing!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)they expect the disenfranchised 99% to just roll over and accept hilary as our lord and savior if she wins the primary.
senz
(11,945 posts)So glad she's using it.
Duval
(4,280 posts)been so many Hill types around today, I was reluctant to check the reply -- and then delighted to see a friendly name and face!
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)They have turned their back on the left and traditional democratic values.
A winning strategy.
840high
(17,196 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)When Bernie become president he will welcome the left and the masses of people demanding change. He won't shut us out and have his COS tell us to STFU and call us fucking retards.
.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)elljay
(1,178 posts)There is also a concerted effort to trot out the leaders of NARAL, Planned Parenthood and Human Rights Campaign so they can feign hurt that Bernie would call them "establishment." We all know that what he meant was that the leaders of these organizations made the endorsement; their membership was never polled. Chris Hayes keeps going on and on about this on MSNBC. Do they think we're too stupid to see what they're doing? I will gladly support Hillary if she is the nominee and I see no need to bash her. I am voting for Bernie because I agree with his policies, not HRC's. Nothing personal, I just happen to be a progressive and she is not. She should stand up for her policies, show how they differ from Bernie's, and make the case for why she would be a better candidate. Instead, she seems to be pulling out all stops to try to discredit his true progressive credentials. No one who is familiar with Bernie is going to buy the line that he is weak on abortion and women's issues, or LGBT rights, or gun control. It just makes Hillary look desperate.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)according to the piece, he called Sanders a communist.
Good thing hardly anyone pays attention to him any more.
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)Long, wonky, dense, interesting. Good breakdown of pundit disavowing previously held position - now that said previous position would support Bernie
MisterP
(23,730 posts)scum
G_j
(40,367 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:04 AM - Edit history (1)
well done!Well worth the read.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)This is indeed the battle for our very future.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)"Bottom line, until Sanders, the terms of the national debate were dictated by the Plutocracy, and there was no way to pierce the carefully constructed interlocking web of money, media, and myth the Oligarchs constructed. Oh, there were voices but they were largely consigned to the fringes of society, with little or no chance of breaking through to reach the masses of people whove been duped, fleeced and fooled into believing that government is inevitably inept, taxes are a curse, and an uber-free market our salvation."
G_j
(40,367 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Zorra
(27,670 posts)primary season.
There's no going back, and no forgetting of who their minions are.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Hopefully enough to make Bermie impervious to the attacks. The truth will prevail.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Just an observation, the largest recipients of welfare are not corporations, they are the individual shareholders of them.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)We knew the corrupt establishment wouldn't back down, that they'd come at us like with their main weapons: fear, disdain, ridicule, and dishonesty.
That is the source of our power. And it is the only power that can take on the establishment confederacy that is now gathering against us.
Sanders has been saying this all along, and he's right.
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)...or at least a communist sympathizer ...for money.