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G_j

(40,367 posts)
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:02 PM Jan 2016

A Confederacy of Dunces: The Democratic Establishment’s Assault on Sanders Begins

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/01/26/confederacy-dunces-democratic-establishments-assault-sanders-begins


A Confederacy of Dunces: The Democratic Establishment’s Assault on Sanders Begins
byJohn Atcheson

Sen. Bernard Sanders, who’s running to Hillary Clinton’s left for the Democratic presidential nomination, has become a target for his outspoken challenge to the status quo. (Associated Press)

"When a true genius appears in your world, you may know him by this sign; that all the dunces are against him in a confederacy."
—Jonathon Swift

Well, it’s started. You knew it would. The Democratic establishment is going into attack mode as their anointed one – Hillary Clinton – is in danger of losing.

Take a look at some of the assaults that have been launched within the last five days:

...more...

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A Confederacy of Dunces: The Democratic Establishment’s Assault on Sanders Begins (Original Post) G_j Jan 2016 OP
Bravo! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #1
Berns is a come lately Democrat. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #2
Geez you really believe that Crap? Ichingcarpenter Jan 2016 #7
Why would you care? He's caucuses with dems his entire Congressional career cali Jan 2016 #13
If you want to go back to the 60s Lordquinton Jan 2016 #24
Bam scottie55 Jan 2016 #80
+1 n/t LittleGirl Jan 2016 #99
So was Elizabeth Warren. randome Jan 2016 #103
The difference between Hillary and Elizabeth....Both former Republicans LiberalLovinLug Jan 2016 #118
Bernie has consistently held and fought for Rebkeh Jan 2016 #25
Bingo...we have a winner.......... mrmpa Jan 2016 #111
Please post a link to your claim: bvar22 Jan 2016 #26
Yes, it's a b.s. claim. senz Jan 2016 #70
I'm in no mood to vote for a Conservadem PatrynXX Jan 2016 #27
You mean in the primary, I assume. randys1 Jan 2016 #76
... senz Jan 2016 #85
AGREED! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #100
Typical of Camp Weathervane shawn703 Jan 2016 #39
And you'll be there helping to circle the wagons? Moral Compass Jan 2016 #40
Clinton campaigned for Goldwater in 1964 and worked for Walmart on their BOD. Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #43
What are you talking about? RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #47
+2 SunSeeker Jan 2016 #49
"You cannot expect the party to support someone who (isn't a Dem)" WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2016 #56
Meh... AlbertCat Jan 2016 #67
The OP is about the attcks that are coming from the left. Unknown Beatle Jan 2016 #77
right on schedule questionseverything Jan 2016 #78
He's been a Democrat for a few months shenmue Jan 2016 #81
Lets take a look at Bernie's "opportunism": bvar22 Jan 2016 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #89
And he also was never a REPUBLICAN, UNLIKE some of these holier than though PTB... cascadiance Jan 2016 #91
You're right. Bernie IS an Independent because he does not toe the party line. And jillan Jan 2016 #92
Who cacused for years with which party in Congress? mwooldri Jan 2016 #95
Doesn't matter if Bernie was anti-JFK he couldn't vote in 1960. A Simple Game Jan 2016 #102
Bernie Sander sulphurdunn Jan 2016 #106
This sounds a lot like birtherism thinking ... wavesofeuphoria Jan 2016 #120
Funny that this site is called democratic underground workinclasszero Jan 2016 #3
The OP reads party Establishment G_j Jan 2016 #6
Thanks for reminding "some" of us! I'd recommend your post if I could. Duval Jan 2016 #82
This is a site for Progressive Democrats Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #10
This is a site for ALL Democrats. murielm99 Jan 2016 #38
Thank you redstateblues Jan 2016 #107
A diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints. JTFrog Jan 2016 #93
then explain why all of us Bernie supporters are banned from your precious Hillary group. litlbilly Jan 2016 #14
Every group is a safe haven. Action_Patrol Jan 2016 #20
Or like me.... daleanime Jan 2016 #29
I have no idea what you did to get banned. Action_Patrol Jan 2016 #32
........ daleanime Jan 2016 #34
Take it up with them. Action_Patrol Jan 2016 #35
So, that's a yes? daleanime Jan 2016 #36
What the hell does that even mean? Action_Patrol Jan 2016 #37
Cha banned me from the "pro-HRC" threads por nada Hulk Jan 2016 #66
There could be a whole other large group: Hillary Group Castouts LiberalLovinLug Jan 2016 #119
Me too. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #33
Me too RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #48
Me too! Paka Jan 2016 #58
I got banned for saying I was going to remove my brain so we could have a fair debate Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #59
LOL Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #110
Me too. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #64
Me too. senz Jan 2016 #71
Funny how that works. I got banned from the Bernie group for trying to have a discussion. nolabear Jan 2016 #53
I got banned from the Bernie group for my first post there, namely this: Tanuki Jan 2016 #75
Are you serious? workinclasszero Jan 2016 #121
And who's fault is that? too funny litlbilly Jan 2016 #122
See, you are good with it workinclasszero Jan 2016 #123
You seem to be advocating blind support with the party cali Jan 2016 #15
You seem to have no regard for the insurance industry. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #65
omg yesssssssssssssss please think of the insurance ceos questionseverything Jan 2016 #79
true, we should march in lockstep and be obsequious to our leaders rurallib Jan 2016 #21
Are you suggesting blind allegiance? Broward Jan 2016 #22
That scares me when I see that. zeemike Jan 2016 #30
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever." eom VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #31
+1 stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #42
+2 SunSeeker Jan 2016 #50
Some people actually care what the party is supposed to stand for. You know, principles. cui bono Jan 2016 #116
The attacks have "started?" Where has the author been for the last year or more? merrily Jan 2016 #4
Love this Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #5
Great lines Ichingcarpenter Jan 2016 #9
Keeping the genie in the bottle after it's been out this long senz Jan 2016 #72
I'm not sure the author understands that Swift was a satirist mythology Jan 2016 #8
I think the author gets Swift's point. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #12
It's clear the author understands it's satire. cali Jan 2016 #16
My first thought too was the hilarious John Kennedy Toole novel! Tanuki Jan 2016 #74
First They Ignore You... WillyT Jan 2016 #11
I've always felt this saying was missing a critical step ymetca Jan 2016 #69
Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2016 #17
The Revolution has not been televised—but the counterattack will be. thereismore Jan 2016 #18
true G_j Jan 2016 #19
At what point does it become ripe? nolabels Jan 2016 #109
There's that word again... Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #23
Excellent read ejbr Jan 2016 #28
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #41
Are you a true Bernie supporter ? stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #44
Who? G_j Jan 2016 #46
not sure if sarcasm but VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #51
Disgustingly off-putting photo senz Jan 2016 #73
It's just delightful! (sarcasm) Duval Jan 2016 #83
lol senz Jan 2016 #86
. BeanMusical Jan 2016 #96
K&R azmom Jan 2016 #45
The democratic establishment is willing to commit suicide, in order to coronate Hillary. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #52
They've turned their backs on me for sure. 840high Jan 2016 #55
and everyone who's not part of the 1% club. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #57
Yeah, and it started a long time ago. cui bono Jan 2016 #115
Yeah, and that's the difference, Bernie is inclusive. n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #117
In the "liberal" media, too elljay Jan 2016 #54
Tom Friedman is a classic detached rich pundit asshole Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #60
Good article - here's another bread_and_roses Jan 2016 #61
I'll always remember Yglesias on the Bangladesh factory collapse MisterP Jan 2016 #87
awesome G_j Jan 2016 #88
Superb piece. 99Forever Jan 2016 #62
the best slice of the feast DonCoquixote Jan 2016 #63
until Sanders, the terms of the national debate were dictated by the Plutocracy G_j Feb 2016 #124
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #68
K&R! Duval Jan 2016 #84
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jan 2016 #90
Unless Sanders is in reality Jesus Christ, we ALWAYS settle for the lesser of two evils. randome Jan 2016 #104
And Some Are Fine With That - Too Sad cantbeserious Jan 2016 #108
The enormous extent of oligarch control has been exposed during this Zorra Jan 2016 #94
Kick and R BeanMusical Jan 2016 #97
Social media has changed the paradigm. AtomicKitten Jan 2016 #98
Big K&R raouldukelives Jan 2016 #101
As expected. LWolf Jan 2016 #105
She's was a communist on the board of Wall-mart helping to get Chinese goods on the selves. Ivan Kaputski Jan 2016 #112
Big K & R LiberalLovinLug Jan 2016 #114

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
1. Bravo!
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jan 2016
In Sanders we have a leader who – against all odds -- has broken through the rigged system, reached out to us, and given voice to the 99% who’ve been left behind.

If we choose courage over fear; tolerance over jingoism, hate and bigotry; a belief in our own industry, resourcefulness and ability over the siren song of magic markets and easy money; if we stand together, we can put this evil genie back in its bottle, and we can take back our country and make government work again, and make it work for us.

That is the source of our power. And it is the only power that can take on the confederacy that is gathering now, to hold on to what they’ve taken.



Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
2. Berns is a come lately Democrat.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jan 2016

He was never a Democrat. He says he wants to bring the party back to being the FDR/JFK party. Problem is, Bernie was anti-JFK in 1960. The far left was against FDR because they too wanted to overthrow the system.

You cannot expect the party to support someone who doesn't support the party. Why would Obama campaign for Bernie when Berns says he does not want any continuation of Obama's policies?

If it comes to that, Obama and Biden may openly endorse Hillary and campaign for her during the primary.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. Why would you care? He's caucuses with dems his entire Congressional career
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jan 2016

And where did you get the information that he was anti-Kennedy in 1960? For that matter has he ever said that he wants to bring the party back to being the JFK party. Please link to sources substantiating your claims.

And Bernie has said he wants to build on Obama's policies.

You consistently make shit up. I'm so tired of that conservadem hillarian habit.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
24. If you want to go back to the 60s
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary was a republican! Why do you want to vote for a former republican?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
103. So was Elizabeth Warren.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jan 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
[/center][/font][hr]

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
118. The difference between Hillary and Elizabeth....Both former Republicans
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jan 2016

is that Elizabeth saw the light, and realized she was in the wrong party because she was concerned about the inequalities in a corrupt system mostly represented by Republican "values".

Hillary jumped into the Democratic party, then not only slid back to her Republican "values" roots, but helped to drag the Democratic party with her in a desperate attempt to align her family, and her greedy Third Way D cohorts in Washington, with those on the receiving end of that inequality.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
25. Bernie has consistently held and fought for
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jan 2016
progressive values, this is what matters. The Democratic Party? Not so much. They keep changing the standards, party identity and loyalty can only go so far. If the Democratic Party wants loyalty to the brand, maybe they should listen to its people.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
111. Bingo...we have a winner..........
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jan 2016

The Democratic Party should not be what the National Committee says it is, but rather what we its members say it should be.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
26. Please post a link to your claim:
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jan 2016
"Berns says he does not want any continuation of Obama's policies"
---Dawson Leery, post #2, this thread.

...or did you just make that up?

I'm calling BS.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
27. I'm in no mood to vote for a Conservadem
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jan 2016

heck she's taking pages out of Roves playbook how insulting can you be.. voting for the only Democrat running in the lead. Bernie Sanders. No Clinton Trumps

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
43. Clinton campaigned for Goldwater in 1964 and worked for Walmart on their BOD.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jan 2016

Sanders was getting himself arrested for civil rights and has caucused with Democrats since being in Congress.

Epic, epic fail.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
47. What are you talking about?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jan 2016

Did you get those talking points from Fox News or Rush?

Bernie was not anti JFK afaik, and he DOES want to bring the Party back to the FDR days, when the Dems cared about people more than corporations.

Bernie only left the Dems, because the Dems left WE THE PEOPLE, in favor of them, the corporations.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
56. "You cannot expect the party to support someone who (isn't a Dem)"
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:17 PM
Jan 2016

That's different from "someone who doesn't support the party." Bernie has always supported the Democratic Party, that's why he caucuses with it.

This is typical of the Democratic Party, take your base for granted, and Bernie's supporters represent the base. Obama took the base for granted in both 2008 and 2012.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
67. Meh...
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:00 PM
Jan 2016

... The same old debunked song....with no hint of the real history.

Sanders may have been an Independent, but you pretend he was caucusing with the GOP and anti- anything-Dem... which is completely absurd. He supported the party when it acted progressively.... and even then some. (We've already seen what an Indie who leans way to the right looks like)

The "FAR Left" in FDR's time were mostly Communists, which Sander's isn't. He's really not that "far" left either. (Hey.... isn't he supposed to be a gun nut?) Also, that last FDR term was WWII.... which is most certainly not the USA's normal state affairs anyway. Also, Dems were sorta the conservative party then..... until Civil Rights....

And you'll have to point to where Sanders said he didn't want "ANY continuation of Obama's policies". Policies concerning what exactly? Or is it "any and all"?

"Obama and Biden may openly endorse Hillary" Yeah well.... I don't remember all these Dems using Obama to support their candidacies in the last elections. Do they think he's "usable" now?


These lame memes get trotted out again and again as if they actually mean anything. It's like ditto heads!

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
77. The OP is about the attcks that are coming from the left.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jan 2016

And lo and behold, first thing someone does is attack.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
113. Lets take a look at Bernie's "opportunism":
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jan 2016

* Sanders has supported gay rights since 40 years ago. Clinton and Republicans have not.

* Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Clinton & The Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Clinton and Th Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Clinton and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.

* Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Clinton and the Republicans did not.

* Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders wants to Raise (or eliminate) the CAP on FICA deductions. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposes unrestricted "Free Trade". Clinton and the Republican do not.

*Clinton and the Republicans want ti INCREASE more cheap foreign labor. Bernie does not.

Hillary sure seems to agree with Republicans a lot.
I don't,
that is why I am a Democrat, and voting for a Democrat....Bernie!

Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #2)

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
91. And he also was never a REPUBLICAN, UNLIKE some of these holier than though PTB...
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:16 AM
Jan 2016

... that have taken over this party to drive it more towards fascist alignment with the economic royalists instead of fighting them off the way a REAL Democrat like FDR did in his time and got reelected THREE TIMES by the people who respected that he worked for THEM and not the power mongers at the top!

jillan

(39,451 posts)
92. You're right. Bernie IS an Independent because he does not toe the party line. And
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:17 AM
Jan 2016

that is exactly why so many people support him.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
95. Who cacused for years with which party in Congress?
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:13 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:11 AM - Edit history (1)

I guess the next thing I'll be hearing is that Donald Trump is more of a Democrat than Bernie Sanders.

In any case I think I heard that Bernie doesn't want to just continue President Obama's policies.... he wants to take them to the next level. Links on proof to follow.

Edit: cant be bothered digging up the exact thing i remembered so make do with this offering that alludes to my point: Clinton will continue the status quo and Sanders will want to push harder for the people.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/clinton-sanders-offer-dems-choice-evolution-or-revolution

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
102. Doesn't matter if Bernie was anti-JFK he couldn't vote in 1960.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:33 AM
Jan 2016

Not that I believe a word you said in your post.

It appears you are against new Democrats like Bernie and me. Does that mean you are for the ever increasing loss of party members to the status of unaffiliated?

Why would President Obama support Hillary after he said he would not take a third term if possible because the job needs new ideas on a regular basis if Hillary says she would continue the President's agenda for the most part?

Signed: A Dino from the left, and proud of it

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
106. Bernie Sander
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jan 2016

is many things, a member of the far left isn't one of them. If that seems so, it may be because the Democratic Party has followed the money trail so far to the right that what was once a liberal social progressive now looks like the disheveled caricature of a Trotskyite bomb thrower to you.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
3. Funny that this site is called democratic underground
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jan 2016

And is in support of the party and here are posts attacking that very party.

Sad.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
10. This is a site for Progressive Democrats
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jan 2016

And you are somehow shocked that progressives overwhelmingly support Sanders? Clinton can say she is a lifelong progressive all she wants; her voting record makes the truth much more clear. Feingold is a Progressive. Wellston was a Progressive. Compare their voting records to hers and maybe it will make some sense to you.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
93. A diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jan 2016
Our Community Standards

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I don't think you get to arbitrarily decide otherwise.

Just sayin.....

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
20. Every group is a safe haven.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:42 PM
Jan 2016

Every single group excludes people that would attack the members of the group.

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
32. I have no idea what you did to get banned.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jan 2016

But every group is a safe haven.
What may have seemed innocent to you could have been insulting or confrontational to someone else.

I don't participate in any of the candidate groups.

Insert smiley doing something here.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
34. ........
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jan 2016

The above is all you needed to be banned from Hillary land. How is that 'insulting or confrontational'?

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
37. What the hell does that even mean?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jan 2016

Do you realize I don't know you, have never had discourse with you nor contributed to any of your persecution?

I bet you're awesome at parties.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
66. Cha banned me from the "pro-HRC" threads por nada
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jan 2016

I agree with you. Just don't upset the canoe cause the HRC thread-makers have thin skin and will ban you in a heartbeat for questioning their undying loyalty. Cha is a perfect example of that cowardly tactic.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
119. There could be a whole other large group: Hillary Group Castouts
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jan 2016

I was for my first post, which was quite benign. It took less than a minute.

Maybe it was my sig graphic that made someone uncomfortable.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
71. Me too.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jan 2016

I didn't even know I had posted in the Hillary Group until I got an email telling me I'd been banned from the group. The offending comment was a long, thoughtful delineation of my evolution from Hillary supporter (when she was FLOTUS) to Hillary critic after witnessing her treatment of Obama in 2008.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
53. Funny how that works. I got banned from the Bernie group for trying to have a discussion.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jan 2016

No aggression, no attack, just a couple of questions and when I was attacked I said I didn't think that was doing the cause any good. I was out of there. DU used to be a place to learn.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
75. I got banned from the Bernie group for my first post there, namely this:
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jan 2016

" Has Mannie Garcia endorsed anyone yet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannie_Garcia "
_____________________________


You can see it yourself here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128091802#post2|

Yes, that is all it takes to get banned from the Bernie group, so give it a rest.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
121. Are you serious?
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jan 2016

I and many others are banned from your precious Bernie group as well.

But I bet you all are good with that right? SMH

rurallib

(62,415 posts)
21. true, we should march in lockstep and be obsequious to our leaders
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jan 2016

else we fail.
Wasn't it that great Democratic leader Rudy Giulliani that once said that obedience to authority is the greatest form of freedom?

Feel the freedom!
I'd rather feel the Bern and at least know that we tried to change a rigged system rather than let fear keep us contained.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
22. Are you suggesting blind allegiance?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jan 2016

Should we not call out Party leaders when they stray far from what were once core Democratic principles?

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
30. That scares me when I see that.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jan 2016

When "The Party" becomes an untouchable holey object above criticism...like it is a Orwellian entity.
The party is no better than the people that are running it...and when they fail us they must go or we will lose not only elections but the democratic part of the Democratic Party...It is the whole reason for the underground part of DU.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
116. Some people actually care what the party is supposed to stand for. You know, principles.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:40 PM
Jan 2016

Some just care about the name and are glad it's become corporate.

Sad.

.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
4. The attacks have "started?" Where has the author been for the last year or more?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jan 2016

Factoid: Confederacy of Dunces was also the title of the first novel of John Kennedy O'Toole that was first published 11 years after his suicide at age 31 and won a Pulitzer Prize. The man character was a Don Quixote type.

Nanjeanne

(4,960 posts)
5. Love this
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jan 2016

Especially this part:

In Sanders we have a leader who – against all odds -- has broken through the rigged system, reached out to us, and given voice to the 99% who’ve been left behind.

If we choose courage over fear; tolerance over jingoism, hate and bigotry; a belief in our own industry, resourcefulness and ability over the siren song of magic markets and easy money; if we stand together, we can put this evil genie back in its bottle, and we can take back our country and make government work again, and make it work for us.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
9. Great lines
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jan 2016

And like a rock, the hardness of the truth, will survive over the falsehoods made of clay as the waters of time decide which will survive.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
8. I'm not sure the author understands that Swift was a satirist
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jan 2016

But also do they really want to risk invoking comparisons to Ignatius J. Reilly?

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
12. I think the author gets Swift's point.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jan 2016

And you do know that the claim that Reilly was a true genius is true only in him mind, right?

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
74. My first thought too was the hilarious John Kennedy Toole novel!
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:39 PM
Jan 2016

i agree, they may want to rethink this.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
69. I've always felt this saying was missing a critical step
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:05 PM
Jan 2016

between "then they fight you" and "then you win" ...

"Then they kill you."

MLK said it better: "I might not get to the mountain top with you.."

Political pragmatists are simply, and always, the status quo. The Establishment.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
18. The Revolution has not been televised—but the counterattack will be.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jan 2016

Powerful article. Let's embrace their hatred for us.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
109. At what point does it become ripe?
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jan 2016

Or to think a little deeper, if it were much farther along than ripe, to the point of being putrid, then such works with attacks or counters only open it up more to hasten more of the nastiness, turmoil and the loss or trust that many have been feeling. Many are getting to know the fact that it is not what is being said but what is being done.

I would even go further to postulate that the only part that will work for establishment clubbers is the counter, as like making it counterproductive for them making such moves. Attacking something larger than your able to conceptualize has never been a good idea

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
51. not sure if sarcasm but
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jan 2016

they expect the disenfranchised 99% to just roll over and accept hilary as our lord and savior if she wins the primary.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
86. lol
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:09 PM
Jan 2016

been so many Hill types around today, I was reluctant to check the reply -- and then delighted to see a friendly name and face!

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
52. The democratic establishment is willing to commit suicide, in order to coronate Hillary.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jan 2016

They have turned their back on the left and traditional democratic values.
A winning strategy.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
115. Yeah, and it started a long time ago.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jan 2016

When Bernie become president he will welcome the left and the masses of people demanding change. He won't shut us out and have his COS tell us to STFU and call us fucking retards.

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elljay

(1,178 posts)
54. In the "liberal" media, too
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jan 2016

There is also a concerted effort to trot out the leaders of NARAL, Planned Parenthood and Human Rights Campaign so they can feign hurt that Bernie would call them "establishment." We all know that what he meant was that the leaders of these organizations made the endorsement; their membership was never polled. Chris Hayes keeps going on and on about this on MSNBC. Do they think we're too stupid to see what they're doing? I will gladly support Hillary if she is the nominee and I see no need to bash her. I am voting for Bernie because I agree with his policies, not HRC's. Nothing personal, I just happen to be a progressive and she is not. She should stand up for her policies, show how they differ from Bernie's, and make the case for why she would be a better candidate. Instead, she seems to be pulling out all stops to try to discredit his true progressive credentials. No one who is familiar with Bernie is going to buy the line that he is weak on abortion and women's issues, or LGBT rights, or gun control. It just makes Hillary look desperate.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
60. Tom Friedman is a classic detached rich pundit asshole
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jan 2016

according to the piece, he called Sanders a communist.

Good thing hardly anyone pays attention to him any more.

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
61. Good article - here's another
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jan 2016
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/01/vox-bernie-sanders-single-payer-ezra-klein-matt-yglesias/

Long, wonky, dense, interesting. Good breakdown of pundit disavowing previously held position - now that said previous position would support Bernie

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
63. the best slice of the feast
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jan 2016

"Bottom line, until Sanders, the terms of the national debate were dictated by the Plutocracy, and there was no way to pierce the carefully constructed interlocking web of money, media, and myth the Oligarchs constructed. Oh, there were voices – but they were largely consigned to the fringes of society, with little or no chance of breaking through to reach the masses of people who’ve been duped, fleeced and fooled into believing that government is inevitably inept, taxes are a curse, and an uber-free market our salvation."

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
90. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:16 AM
Jan 2016

eom

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
104. Unless Sanders is in reality Jesus Christ, we ALWAYS settle for the lesser of two evils.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:42 AM
Jan 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
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Zorra

(27,670 posts)
94. The enormous extent of oligarch control has been exposed during this
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:45 AM
Jan 2016

primary season.

There's no going back, and no forgetting of who their minions are.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
98. Social media has changed the paradigm.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 07:17 AM
Jan 2016

Hopefully enough to make Bermie impervious to the attacks. The truth will prevail.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
101. Big K&R
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:27 AM
Jan 2016

Just an observation, the largest recipients of welfare are not corporations, they are the individual shareholders of them.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
105. As expected.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:45 AM
Jan 2016

We knew the corrupt establishment wouldn't back down, that they'd come at us like with their main weapons: fear, disdain, ridicule, and dishonesty.

If we choose choose courage over fear. We must choose tolerance over jingoism, hate and bigotry. We must hold a belief in our own industry, resourcefulness and ability over the siren song of magic markets and easy money. If we stand together, then we can put this evil genie back in its bottle and we can take back our country and make government work again – for all of us.

That is the source of our power. And it is the only power that can take on the establishment confederacy that is now gathering against us.


Sanders has been saying this all along, and he's right.
 

Ivan Kaputski

(528 posts)
112. She's was a communist on the board of Wall-mart helping to get Chinese goods on the selves.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jan 2016

...or at least a communist sympathizer ...for money.

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