Bernie Sanders goes Full Mondale, admits he will raise your taxes

[ProudToBeLiberal]

There’s one simple rule that presidential candidates from both major parties tend to follow: Don’t suggest raising taxes, especially on the middle class.

But Bernie Sanders did just that at Monday’s CNN town hall in Des Moines, Iowa. It was always clear that Sanders’s plans to increased social security payments, free college tuition and universal health care would be expensive. Critics said those plans could never be paid for without huge tax increases. And Sanders acknowledged as much in Des Moines, giving his opponents a soundbite tailor-made for attack ads.

“We will raise taxes,” he admitted. “Yes, we will.”

More at https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/26/bernie-sanders-goes-full-mondale-admits-he-will-raise-your-taxes-video/

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. EEEK!!

[Ferd Berfel]

35. He raises your taxes a little and ELIMINATES YOUR INSURANCE PAYMENTS

at the same time.

You come out ahead


'Single-payer is the only health reform that pays for itself'

non-partisan Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP) http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511052189

[Broward]

2. Are you a conservative?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

5. I'm not against raising taxes. I support the Warren Buffet rule. nt

[kristopher]

29. If so, then shouldn't you also be educating?

The article severely distorts the facts by using false framing and outright misinformation. Shouldn't you have included editorial comment explaining that?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

30. Do you think I would make a good journalist? Please give me an honest answer. nt

[Duckhunter935]

79. no

That's honest. A good journalist posts all of the facts.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

81. Thank you for being honest. You're a good person. Nt

[Duckhunter935]

83. Thanks

[Trajan]

53. So gone ...

Why wait?

[cali]

3. Oh noes. I'm skeered

I need you conservadems to save me.

[Katashi_itto]

4. And?

[Matariki]

6. Just keep repeating that incomplete, out of context soundbite

because I'm sure you don't need, or will never need, or know anyone who will ever need health care. Or you or someone you care about will never ever find yourselves in a position where you can't afford the INSURANCE premiums, deductibles, or copays.

I can't believe how much Republicanesque argument I'm seeing around this place.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

7. I am posting articles. Why the hate? nt

[Matariki]

9. That crap pisses me off.

They were obviously looking for a soundbite and Chris Cuomo did his best to deliver.

I apologize to you if you are just posting the article for info and don't agree with it. If you agree with the article, then No Apology For You!

[ProudToBeLiberal]

11. What if I told you that I support Bernie Sanders as a human being? nt

[Ed Suspicious]

12. I would be hard pressed to believe you.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

13. I have posted over 20+ positive articles in the Bernie Sanders group. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

17. But the one you've trotted out here, predictably, takes what Bernie said and strips it of context.

With supporters like you . . .

[ProudToBeLiberal]

18. Favorite group: Bernie Sanders, 35 posts in the last 90 days (8% of total posts)

Click on my profile to see proof.

[hobbit709]

80. And also on the blocked list. So you got away with 34 posts before you pissed them off.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

82. Where can I see the block list? Nt

[Duckhunter935]

84. Go to the about group button

At home of the group

[ProudToBeLiberal]

90. I cannot believe they blocked maggie. She is one of the nicest person on DU. Nt

[hobbit709]

91. That's why her Transparency page shows this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=106348&sub=trans

[Duckhunter935]

92. wow a 7-0 hide

that is hard to achieve, what a sick insult, NOT NICE

[ProudToBeLiberal]

94. Were you the first one banned from the Hillary group? Tell me your story. Nt

[Duckhunter935]

97. I said several years ago

before DU3 that I could not vote for her. They blocked me, their group.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

100. I regret my ban from the Bernie group everyday. It must been very torturous for you to be banned.Nt

[hobbit709]

102. Now that's the second funniest thing I've seen today.

[Duckhunter935]

105. I know

[ProudToBeLiberal]

106. I'm glad I brought a little joy to your day. A little laughter can make a lot of things better. Nt

[hobbit709]

108. I pretty much find the whole universe amusing in a weird sort of way.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

109. Are we pretty much friends now? Nt

[Duckhunter935]

104. Nope

Truthfully, I did not even remember until I tried to respond to one of the many insulting posts over in their "safe haven"

[ProudToBeLiberal]

93. I love you! I never knew a transparency page existed. This has opened a whole new world for me. Ty.

[Duckhunter935]

98. Not as nice as you might think

[hobbit709]

85. You should have gotten a PM from the hosts.

But if you go to the About This group tab and scroll down you will see your name

[Duckhunter935]

95. they knew

they went to the Hillary group and ..........

Hi everyone,

I recently got banned from the Bernie Sanders group. I posted over 20+ positive articles to the group. Due to a slip up (I accidentally posted something in the Bernie group when it was meant for GDP), Autumn has permanently banned me. I pleaded with her to give me a second chance and that I was willing to take a suspension and go on a probationary period, but she was firm in her decision. So, I can never post in the Bernie group again .

I've never posted in the Hillary group before, but I'm willing to be a good trooper and post positive and interesting articles about Hillary Clinton. I usually post in GDP, but I like to get away from it once in away and take a breather. I hope you guys welcome me and I will do my best to help Secretary Clinton get the nomination and win the presidency. Thank you.

-Ptbl

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110732719

[hobbit709]

96. Just like their Anointed One they hit a high rpm of spin.

[Arazi]

99. .

Yup, she knew

[Duckhunter935]

101. and is now on a

tirade against Bernie as payback

[ProudToBeLiberal]

103. I never said I didn't know I was banned. I didn't know you could see a list. Nt

[Duckhunter935]

107. I figured you knew

as you stated it in your Hillery post

[Arazi]

86. You're blocked. It just says you managed your sock longer than others nt

[libdem4life]

14. Hate? Correction. Disagree. There really is a difference.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

16. Thank you. I see that you agree with Hillary of having more love and kindness in the world. nt

[libdem4life]

21. That's a long way from Hate. I know of few people who do not agree with anyone

who wants more love and kindness. Where is this going, BTW? Is there a point?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

22. I feel like we are talking past each other. Can we agree that Julian Castro will make a good VP? nt

[libdem4life]

23. Good possibility...on both accounts. :)

[ProudToBeLiberal]

24. Yay, we found common ground. :) nt

[cali]

8. Flamebait isn't only stupid and transparent, it's cheap

Just an observation, dear friend

[orpupilofnature57]

33. + 1000 !!!

[Kali]

110. somebody is on alert time-out

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Cali called thread stupid. Jury will leave alone because 80% of DUers (and therefore 80% of jurors) are pro-Bernie...
But I'm alerting anyway.

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[Duckhunter935]

111. LOL

[Motown_Johnny]

10. He will also eliminate my health care premiums.

I am good with that.

[JI7]

15. you can call it the full Obama also since Obama did the same thing

[m-lekktor]

19. jesus can you guys make your anti bernie case without sounding like fucking freepers?

[beam me up scottie]

25. Apparently not.

A better question is why can't they post positive articles about their candidate?

[libdem4life]

20. Full on Republican Sound Bite ... It's only half the story and everyone here knows it.

It's damn near embarrassing. Full on Mondale. LOL 50 years ago. LOL I don't recall (and I voted for him) that he had a health care plan. Maybe I'm just old and, Naw.

[Autumn]

26. It's almost like reading soundbites from Rubio and Trump.

[draa]

27. It's a damn shame this people call themselves Democrats.

They're as far from that as any Republican ever was.

[moondust]

28. Telling only half the story is lying. n/t

[orpupilofnature57]

31. Truth is a bitch after you said the opposite of what you do, and Obama did on Many things .

[ProudToBeLiberal]

32. I represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic party. nt

[orpupilofnature57]

34. You represent the Wasserman, just go along and trust Wing of the DNC , not All Democrats .

[ProudToBeLiberal]

36. I was quoting Paul Wellstone. Please show some more respect for our liberal hero. nt

[orpupilofnature57]

54. Sorry I didn't see the quotation marks, and judging by the rest of Your remarks, it seemed apropos

[ProudToBeLiberal]

56. I accept your apology. Man, I really do miss Senator Wellstone. We sure could use him right now. Nt

[senz]

61. I get a distinct whiff of insincerity.

[Arazi]

87. +10 million!!!! So obvious nt

[bowens43]

37. this bullshit again? really? is that the best you can do? LOL

[ProudToBeLiberal]

38. It's one of my weaker moments. I'll try to do better. Thanks for the encouragement! nt

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Reagan is dead and so is Michael Jackson. 1984 was 32 years ago.

And the American people are far more intelligent than folks who would try to excuse ties to Wall St. with "because nineeleven" give them credit for, to wit, they're perfectly capable of hearing and understanding the entire sentence that quote is taken out of context from.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

40. Truth to power. Thank you for speaking the truth. Let's elect the first woman president. Nt

[Warren DeMontague]

41. If Liz Warren wants to run in 2024 after 2 Sanders Terms, I'm all for it.

In the meantime, though, the only woman running for the Democratic nomination now has run a less than inspiring, voter intelligence-insulting campaign; and this OP is more of the same.


Know why?


Because obviously, Hillary cannot run on the issues.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

42. Nice bait and switch. It was very clever. Nt

[Warren DeMontague]

44. I don't think you're using the phrase "bait and switch" correctly, here.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

45. How should I have phrased it? Nt

[Warren DeMontague]

47. I don't know, it's not my job to put your posts together for you!

Still, "bait and switch" would imply that I provided the bait and then switched the result or prize after the bait was taken. The only coherent interpretation I can get from that exchange up there is, you were saying that "lets elect the first woman president" was the bait, and I "switched" the obviously implied Hillary Clinton with Elizabeth Warren;

except, the "bait" came from you, not me.

So "bait and switch" doesn't make any sense in that context.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

48. Damn, you are completely right. Thank you for teaching me a valuable lesson. Nt

[Warren DeMontague]

50. hey, it happens.

[senz]

62. That explains it. A Hillary supporter.

[workinclasszero]

43. WTG Bernie?

[NCTraveler]

46. I'm pretty happy with Sanders on this one. Nt

[aikoaiko]

49. The only people I hear complain about it are HRC supporters.

[senz]

64. Don't forget rightwingers; it's their theme song.

[aikoaiko]

75. Birds of a feather...

[Vinca]

51. Bernie's not a BS artist like most politicians.

He'll tell you what he thinks and he'll tell you what he thinks should be done, like it or not.

[fredamae]

52. Who, in the right mind would lobby

Against this?
I'd Happily pay More to get a better ROI on my investment.
So, to Bernie on the Reasons and Benefit(s) of a small tax increase:

[VulgarPoet]

55. you know, those people who want that better ROI in their pocket, and for you to have nothing.

[senz]

66. The ignorant and uninformed would lobby against it.

That's what rightwingers are counting on.

[Odin2005]

57. So the Hillarians have resorted to sounding like Republicans?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

58. Are you calling me a Republican? Nt

[Odin2005]

59. I'm saying you sound like a Republican.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

60. What are you trying to imply? That I am a closet Republican? Nt

[VulgarPoet]

63. Will you quit trying to bait the guy?

It's like you're looking for a reason to alert him, Christ.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

65. He's confusing the hell out of me. Not sure what he is trying to say. Nt

[Arazi]

76. Confusing? "You sound like a Republican"?

Seems pretty straight forward...

[senz]

67. Here, ProudToBeLiberal, read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511067903

[ProudToBeLiberal]

68. Keep up the good work. Don't let them keep you down. Nt

[senz]

69. I don't know what you're talking about.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

70. Why are you being so coy? Anyway, you are doing a good job. Nt

[senz]

71. Too much sarcasm, insincerity, baiting.

I do believe it's time to press the Ignore button.

Adios...

[ProudToBeLiberal]

72. Our time was short, but it was well worth it. Good luck. nt

[Mnpaul]

73. Mondale was highly qualified

maybe even more so than Hillary. He lost to a man that promoted big ideas.

[dflprincess]

74. Walter Mondale is an honorable man and, yes, an old school liberal.

It is the country's loss that Reagan was reelected instead of him.

And I really get fed up at the way he is sneered at by some elements of today's Democratic party.

[NowSam]

77. At least Bernie is honest about it

All of the candidates would raises taxes on the working people while giving tax breaks to billionaires. Bernie won't let billionaires off the hook. AND his medicare for all plan saves families and businesses thousands per year so yeah, keep telling the truth Bernie. Honesty is such a lonely word.

Bern Bern Bernie...or bust.

[Duckhunter935]

78. wow, is this like the 5th OP

you started on this dishonest attack? We are smart enough to know he also gets rid of your premium payments saving even more than the small tax increase. I will gladly go for that. He must have you scared to freak out like this.

[AgingAmerican]

88. Gasp!

He is going against the GOP talking point!

Earthquakes and tidal waves!!

[SusanCalvin]

89. PLEASE DO!!!!

I can afford a bit more for the common good, and (most important), I trust Bernie.

[islandmkl]

112. Mondale reference?

even most of the Repubs, of any age, and the older ones probably remember less than the 'younger' ones (exactly WHAT is their true demographic, anyway?), can't tell you who Reagan beat other than Carter...

let me know how the Mondale reference will influence, even as a 'reference tactic', or be of any relevancy, to anyone under 50 years of age...of any political persuasion

[redstateblues]

114. Running on raising taxes is political suicide

Bernie just blew any chance he had of winning the GE.

[stevenleser]

113. Yep, and that about how many electoral votes Sanders would get if nominated.

Interestingly enough, Mondale polled even with Reagan in December of 1983, and then lost by 18 percent.

Which is exactly what would happen with Sanders.

[Warren Stupidity]

115. Clinton supporters go full Limbaugh, claim taxes are theft and gummint is the problem.