2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWho would you want as Bernie VP or as Hillary VP?
Bernie's pick in particular will be an interesting balancing act. And would Hillary reach to the left or right, male or female?
Don't say we'll never know. Who would be wise choices to enhance the Democratic ticket?
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Strong voice for labor.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)Bernie will have to appeal to mainstream voters. Will he pick someone in or outside of DC?
From NYTimes:
For the Democrats, Julián Castro and Martin OMalley were most frequently named for the V.P. spot. Others mentioned included Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio, Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, Mr. Sanders, Joe Biden for a repeat performance, and Tim Kaine and Jim Webb, current and former senators from Virginia.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It's a good question.
I suspect Hillary will pick Julian Castro (she clearly doesn't listen to my advice, I've established that repeatedly this cycle) so for her the question is moot.
For Sanders, obviously I think Elizabeth Warren would be the best pick. I know she opted out this round, but if Hillary were defeated in the primaries maybe she would change her mind.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)I thought the idea of a VP pick was to broaden your appeal? Geographically and ideologically.
I guess one exception was Clinton/Gore. But Bill Clinton never got 50% of the vote because of Ross Perot's run.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)all that much for the ticket, although in some cases when it is so egregiously bad (think Palin) people may be somewhat influenced.
I'd like to see our party expand its bench beyond East Coast boomers, which is one reason why I mentioned Newsom (plus he's been ahead of the curve on marriage equality and marijuana legalization)... but Elizabeth Warren is such an undeniably powerful voice that I think any addition of her to the ticket would be a winner.
Plus we keep hearing about the supposed misogyny of everything Sanders, basically because he's running against Hillary, and she is a woman. And certainly many solid arguments have been made and continue to be made about the overdue importance of putting a woman in the White House.
Well, Sanders can't do anything about his own gender, but he could put a smart, capable, and well-respected woman who also happens to be a powerful voice on important reform issues on the ticket.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I'm kind of weighing in on the "one heartbeat away" however, with Hillary's health concerns...and they are real, especially for someone under the extreme pressure she will be under...his youth an inexperience bothers me. I know Obama brought him to DC for HUD as soon as this possibility came out some time ago.
As for Bernie, that's a tough one. I don't think EW is the right one. It's not something she really, really wants...nor does her family. And I know Massachusetts doesn't want to lose her. She has a Bully Pulpit in the Senate to support a Sanders Presidency, which of course she would.
I'd be more inclined to look for an O'Malley-type, if not him should he choose to accept. Yes, he's got baggage, but he'd do well and de-emphasize the age factor as he'd be more than capable of taking over should it be required. I've kind of thought that is why he is still in the race...getting national recognition, showing his skills, getting vetted to some extent. So, that would be my opinion.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Both of them are about as exciting as watching paint dry.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)At least O'Malley came out (so I heard...didn't see it) and tore off his jacket and rolled up his sleeves. I'm not going to tell you what my mental picture of that was.
Anyway, he's got the political chops and he can get people excited...ignore the above...and I'd love to see him as Bernie's VP. They would be an interesting contrast in styles but close enough politically to both spread the table and not be too close or too far away.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)Sanders/O'Malley would have youth and experience.
elleng
(130,895 posts)he ALWAYS removes it, and rolls up his shirt sleeves. Seems like it's his comfort zone.
He surely has political 'chops,' AND the executive experience MANDATORY in a successful EXECUTIVE office, which is why I support Martin O'Malley for PRESIDENT. I won't complain, tho, about your endorsement of him as Sanders' VP.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I have watched him before...missed this one...and if he had the numbers, I'd support him for President, too. But he's young enough after 8 years as VP, he'd be one heck of a good President.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Barbara Lee. West coast, liberal, smart as hell, African American and a female.
Hillary? Who the fuck cares? She'll dig up some corporate shill willing to bend over for the billionaire class.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)You managed to offend 3/4 of the country with 2 suggestions.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)on the stupidest post of the day.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)Your last topped mine for pure insulting.
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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)They are almost like different countries, so one from each is important.
I like the idea of Elizabeth Warren but that ticket would be too much New England.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Besides, if she's not going to run for president, I'd prefer she was in the Senate continuing to piss off all of Hillary's billionaire friends.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)As the poster above states, East coast and West coast are two entirely different cultures and you need a cross section.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)For Hillary ... I honestly don't know. I don't see how she can reach to her right, though, without going for a Republican, and obviously I wouldn't want that.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)They appeal to the very same voters numbering about 47%. A losing combo, sadly.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)You have spoken!
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)But historically, you have to broaden your appeal to get more than 50% of the popular vote. And the electoral college is a different story.
I think supporters are relying on his populist appeal to override precedent. And that may be so. I feel sure he won't choose Warren because she will be needed in the Senate - possibly as leader.
demwing
(16,916 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)And he's a great campaigner...charming...adorable family...Tejano Hispanic. There are some down sides, but she could do way worse. And I think there is a compatibility there, as I saw a photo of them together before the primaries...which led me to do more research on him.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)But if he doesn't show that on TV, then I'd temper my opinions.
It's just I read his family story...especially about his Mom...single since they were very young. Member of La Raza in LA. That was a secessionist group in the West fighting for Atzlan...the name they gave the territory that was Mexico before the US annexed it/fought them for it. So I guess that would make her an anarchist?
She came up from almost less than nothing to give these boys unimaginable opportunities and personalities to match. He hasn't had a lot of TV time...and he's young...which is one of my concerns. Obviously, Bernie is my first choice, but if Bernie isn't the Nominee, it would make my Hillary vote easier if Julian was on the ticket.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)It was very well received, and most people agreed with your impression that he is charismatic and has a very bright future. The lady in the light blue jacket that the camera pans to occasionally is Rosie Castro.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/julian-castro-dnc-speech-starts-education-17155641
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)make it to any Democratic Convention this time around without Lots of Changes. I had mixed feelings watching again, and didn't go to the end. I remember what it said, and he's going to have to recreate or rephrase a lot of what he said on the Hillary Campaign Trail, if that's how it goes.
And Rosie...yes. What a lady. I think they showed his wife and daughter at the end, too. Hillary needs that kind of fresh energy...and being Tejano/bilingual doesn't hurt either.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)Something that says "I could be POTUS" were something to happen.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)health problems, even more were she to be elected. Frankly, I don't there's a chance in hell, for that matter.
I think that he has a political future if he doesn't jump the gun here. But as far as politics/i.e. geography and Hispanic and he was rushed to DC as Sec of HUD, he's a good bet for her VP.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Nina Turner (D-OH) or Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI)
Both have legislative experience.
Martin O'Malley would be good, but I'd like him to chair the DNC.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)But I think he could wind up VP nominee for Bernie. Probably Castro as VP if HRC wins nomination.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)but I don't think we should necessarily put a woman on the ballot to balance Hillary, and I could be wrong, but that's what it kind of seems.
I like O'Malley for almost any post. DNC Chair would be good. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat if he were viable for President.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)They are both similar to Bernie in ideology; and Nina Turner is popular in Ohio, a state he needs to win.