2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn 2008 Paul Krugman called Obama supporters venom spewing cult-like hero worshipers
Last edited Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:38 AM - Edit history (2)
original: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html
thanks: https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/692159241331826689
Edit: This relates to the primaries because Krugman is supporting Hillary so it shows how he operates in politics.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)pattern here.
Agony
(2,605 posts)I'm trying to remember who it was that popularized that strategy ?
Matariki
(18,775 posts)where you try to pin your own short comings on your opponent. For instance trying to smear Sanders as someone who says one thing and does another
The essential points of the interview by Andrea Mitchell with Fallon are:
1. Sanders has not fared well in the spotlight; if you look at the tone he has been taking; quite disturbing, seen a pattern of Senator Sanders saying one thing and doing another; that he would shun the support of a SuperPac, now has one; said he wouldnt attack Clinton, but now he has said that she was like Dick Cheney and third thing this debate next week, Sen Sanders said he would wanted to debate more, now he is not.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511079490
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)probably another name for it.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Old as Bible stories
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:56 AM - Edit history (1)
I forgot how they tried that with Obama. Didn't work then and hopefully won't work now.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)And now he's back in the Clinton cult.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Suckbutt. He was a union man and hated ass-kissers.
He said, "I figured I was doing the right thing anytime anybody called me a Communist."
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What a professional... something.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That he is.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Did he back Hillary in 2008?
senz
(11,945 posts)Criticizing Obama supporters and defending Hillary.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)tell me again why I have to respect this man ?
Krugman needs to get down from his Ivory tower he is starting to sound like his colleague David Brooks
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)#SANDERSBROSOMEAN
Hmmm. I sense a pattern here.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Agreeing with him probably 80-85% of the time, but now that I see how he operates during open election season, I'm not so sure.
Seems he has a big cabinet post promised to him if Hill ever makes it to the WH.
I'll echo others...I'll take Stiglitz or Reich any day over Krugman.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Straight up limousine liberal. I'll take Reich or Stiglitz any day over this honk.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)And I think he's really a political ass-kisser. A court flatterer.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)That's what he's got to be thinking.
It must confound the elite that with all their money and power and spin, they just can't seem to sway the people to submit to their rule.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I really don't understand it. It might be her, it might not. The sky will not fall if she doesn't cap her resume with this particular gig.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Bernie is a bridge too far, we cannot have a left populist under any circumstances whatsoever, that would be calamity for the establishment.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But for other corners of the rank and file- especially certain demographic slices.. I just think there's this weird emotional over-identification with her; she represents something specific- her getting this deal is seen as vindication, or "payback" for some slight, real or imagined, in their own lives. She is "owed" it- or they are, by proxy- because ....
Hmmmmm.
I mean, how else to explain people who; at least, if their public posturing is to be believed- claim to be the most serious left of the serious left, "why we're so serious left we left the rest of the left left behind a long time ago, seriously" who nevertheless are all gaa-gaa gooey over someone who is undeniably a middle of the road, corporate and business-friendly status quo Democrat, and whose historical advocacy of things like "muscular" foreign policy is well-documented?
This is the champeen of these self-appointed leftier-than-thou brigades?
well, probably above my psychoanalytical pay grade. But it is interesting that, like, for the people who are admittedly voting for her because she's a woman; openly, so-- it really seems like whatever deeply buried itch Hillary scratches, a different woman (Say, Elizabeth Warren, who I think would have made a stellar candidate) apparently wouldn't cut the mustard either.
Nope. It's gotta be Hillary. Odd.
It's weird, and it's about something. I don't know exactly what, but it's pretty clear to me that some folks are working through their own personal stuff, with all this.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Seriously, has the 2008 campaign just slipped down the memory hole?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Good luck with your old, tired tarnished object.
fbc
(1,668 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,482 posts)Thanks for the thread.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)pnwmom
(109,020 posts)that the actual policy differences between Obama and Hillary didn't justify the venom directed against her; just as they don't now.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)We're/are like two peas in a pod. Any difference is like splitting hairs with a few exceptions.
Hillary vs Bernie there are considerable and obvious differences.
Unlike most all serious candidates for the last few decades, Bernie is not in bed with the rich and powerful establishment....and therein lies the serious and major departure from the status quo that the PTB has so carefully crafted.
In other words, the PTB is seriously freaking.
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)just as it was with Obama and would be Hillary. Krugman has talked about that, too. The fact that he's slightly more "hard core liberal" than she is (according to ontheissues.org, they're both in that category) doesn't mean he'll succeed in getting more progressive policies through Congress.
olddots
(10,237 posts)other ass wipes want their 15 minutes .