Clinton Campaign Saying Sanders May Bus In Young People - and Bernie is Fuming

[Nanjeanne]

Much more serious than Button & Logogate

You need to watch this video from Bloomberg.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-28/sanders-says-he-ll-struggle-to-win-iowa-with-low-voter-turnout

“The Clinton people say that they are, in places like Ames and Iowa City, that they are very worried that a number of out-of-state young people may try to show up to the caucus and they’re going to make a major effort to make sure that that’s not the case,” Hunt said.

“Really? Is that what they’re saying?”, Bernie erupted. And then it goes on from here.

But being the nice guy, even at the end Sanders says he doubts it's coming from Hillary herself - but from Brock.

This is the crap the Clinton campaign does that is way more dishonest than some people putting on a union button so they can access a restricted area and talk about their candidate. She pulled in against Obama too in 2008 . . . it's a shame it's not remembered by Obama supporters.

Wonder if the media will put this all over TV? HAHAHAHAHA I crack myself up sometimes.

[Metric System]

1. When isn't Bernie fuming?

[libdem4life]

4. He was, or didn't you bother to watch.

[Gregorian]

12. Good point, but it's always justified, bless his hair.

[840high]

44. Hillary used the same

tactic to undermine Obama.

[cannabis_flower]

73. Didn't work then either.

[dorkzilla]

76. How horrible of him, fuming at injustice!

How DARE he!

[okasha]

106. Perhaps they'll name a fumarole in Yellowstone for him.

That will be his gift to posterity.

[Duckhunter935]

2. yep, sounds like Brock

And the surrogates. Plausible deniability.

[CorporatistNation]

39. This is A Diversion... As HillBill Team Will Be Bussing In Little Old Ladies...

JUST LIKE OBAMA DID IN 2008! ANSWER... CHECK ID ON ALLLLL PARTICIPANTS... NO ADDRESS OR RESIDENCE... NO CAUCUS ENTRY!

[libdem4life]

3. That's Bernie. That reaction was real. He's not about that crap. Yeah, then he absolved

Clinton...like he does often.

He is naive, but honest. That's not a strong political point at this time, I fear.

Imagine him illegally using logos. (Hey guys, I just got a fabulous idea...listen up.)

Don't think so.

[winter is coming]

9. I don't think he's naive. It does him no harm to personally absolve Hillary

as long as her campaign takes the hit. Accusing her personally without hard evidence does nothing but alienate her supporters.

[libdem4life]

11. Are we both referring to wiped servers and the FBI Investigation...say what?

[winter is coming]

17. No. I'm referring to the "Sanders may bus in people from outside the state"

charge. I haven't had a chance to watch the clip whole clip yet.

[libdem4life]

19. Oh, well he's already adamantly dismissed them as His People. As he should.

That's fcking illegal. It's also fcking low down and dirty.

[99th_Monkey]

89. I thought Sanders was busing in Students who ARE registered in Iowa, so they can caucus

that's very different from bussing in people to caucus who don't live in Iowa.

[winter is coming]

117. Yup. The Sanders campaign has been trying to arrange rides for the

students whose homes are elsewhere in Iowa, so they'll caucus at home instead in the more liberal counties.

[99th_Monkey]

125. So Sanders getting his voters/caucus peeps out is now a big scandal?

The Hillarians are coming unhinged I tell you.

[winter is coming]

126. All I can say is that the internals in Iowa must look pretty bad for HRC. n/t

[99th_Monkey]

130. She must be factoring in Independents who re-registered nt

[DanTex]

5. Well, he is stealing logos and impersonating union members...

[Nanjeanne]

8. Bernie stole a logo and impersonated a union member?????

WOW.

I thought it was some campaign staffers who wore union buttons so they could get into a restricted dining room and talk about their candidate.

I thought someone in his campaign used a logo that he didn't have permission for to tout Bernie's correct record with an organization.

You'd think someone at those hotels would have recognized Bernie. He must be a master of disguises. Cool!

[libdem4life]

20. Details...LOL

[DanTex]

26. I stand corrected. Bernie has totally lost control of his organization, they've all gone

rogue and are acting like a bunch of high school kids playing pranks on the cross-county rivals

Now that's some leadership!!

[passiveporcupine]

95. utter deniability

About the shit David Brock is pulling...but yeah, lets lay it on thick for Bernie.

[DanTex]

100. Not sure what David Brock has to do with Bernie's campaign's unethical behavior.

[passiveporcupine]

102. Do you know what thread you're in?

this is about the Clinton campaign (David Brock) saying Bernie may bus in students from out of state and claim they are residents.

Desperation all around. I can't stop laughing.

[DanTex]

110. I'm sure it's fun to bash Brock, but the facts are, Bernie's people are impersonating

union members, and they are the ones using logos dishonestly.

Laugh away. But I don't think it's gonna work out for him.

[passiveporcupine]

119. So you are OK with Brock insinuating that Bernie is bussing in student from out of state?

Got it!

[Phlem]

96. Wow.

mkay.

[blackspade]

80. Ratfuckery with no evidence.

[frylock]

22. Has anyone come out on record regarding the union impersonators?

Because, thus far, only one named person has come forward to say that no, Sanders people did not misrepresent themselves at his casino. At this point, it's all hearsay.

[DanTex]

27. Umm, you mean other than the official statement from the union itself?

[frylock]

61. As I said, one NAMED source on record stating it didn't happen at his casino..

unnamed sources state otherwise.

[jfern]

46. Hillary is impersonating a Democrat. She's not doing a good job.

[DJ13]

54. LOL!

[redstateblues]

127. The purity police must be ever vigilant

[840high]

47. Call the FBI - right now.

[DanTex]

48. Good point. Ethics. It's all a big joke!

[840high]

52. Somehow I can't put ethics and the Clintons together.

[SammyWinstonJack]

83. *snicker*

[2pooped2pop]

118. Add "lack of" and it will fit together like puzzle pieces.

Lack of ethics + Clintons

[Mike__M]

51. Maybe Bernie personally

wiped those buttons with a cloth, so they're clean.

[shawn703]

57. Please tell me you're smart enough to not believe that tripe

Please

[DanTex]

59. Yeah, what do unions, LCV, and AARP know anyway. Obviously they're lying.

[frylock]

63. Link to LCV's statement?

[DanTex]

66. Link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511084717

[frylock]

68. thx

[dorkzilla]

85. Yeah, no.

Assemblywoman Maggie Carlton, a Culinary Union member who just endorsed Hillary, said the Sanders campaign’s techniques were an invasion, but more importantly, they were a security risk/blockquote]
http://gawker.com/bernie-sanders-aides-accused-of-posing-as-union-members-1755793927

and then this...http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/28/politics/bernie-sanders-union-nevada-culinary-union/index.html

Couldn’t have been a big deal if it was resolved this quickly could it? My guess is the people who invited the campaign workers spoke up, and the union dropped it.

[frylock]

99. And thank you!

[dorkzilla]

103. You’re welcome!

Meanwhile crickets on their part about this - http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/28/1476527/-Chamber-of-Commerce-Lobbyist-Tom-Donohue-Clinton-Will-Support-TPP-After-Election

But Sanders’ volunteers wearing Union buttons, now THAT is a big deal.

[frylock]

114. If logos and buttons are all the vaunted Hillary oppo research team can find..

then there ain't shit. They're just going to continue with the petty bullshit like they did with Obama.

[dorkzilla]

116. And we all know how well that worked for her

It’s like she has amnesia. Or she’s trusting that lightning won’t strike twice. Either way, she and/or her surrogates have made a terrible miscalculation about the ability of the people to circumvent the bought-and-paid-for “liberal” media and get less biased news reporting.

We’re on to them, and they hate it.

[shawn703]

64. What exactly do they know?

So you said Bernie sent out mailers and impersonated a union. That's not even something those organizations above claimed.

Who exactly did those things? Do these organizations know the names? Do you? How do you know these people whose names nobody knows are even affiliated with the Sanders campaign?

Name names. I'm waiting.

[DanTex]

67. Links for you...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511084873

[shawn703]

86. Where's the names?

I see no names being named in that link.

[DanTex]

91. Follow the links. There are press releases from the organizations in there.

Unless you think the organizations are lying...

[shawn703]

97. I did, no names were named.

Just allegations that Sanders campaign did this or that. Who on Sanders campaign did it? Why has nobody been able to name names?

I can just as easily allege that someone on Hillary's staff slapped some Bernie logos on some mailers and impersonated Sanders campaign staff to then point and say oooh look at this staff doing this or that, and have just as much credibility. If they don't need to name names to support their allegations, then neither do I.

[DanTex]

132. Aha. A conspiracy theory! I love these.

You're suggesting that the organizations that issued press releases were lying. Risking their reputations in order to smear Bernie. Very good!

[shawn703]

134. Did I say that?

Reading comprehension is your friend. My allegation was that the Hillary campaign slapped the Bernie logo on some mailers and impersonated Sanders campaign staffers at a union rally. In this scenario, the organizations were duped rather than lying. I can name just as many names with my allegation as you can with yours. Knowing the campaign histories of both Clinton and Sanders and how clean each have run previous campaigns, whose allegations are the most plausible?

[redstateblues]

131. Watch out DanTex

It's at this point when they can't refute your facts and they start the personal attacks. They are very predictable.

[shawn703]

135. No facts have been presented

If names haven't been named, there's really nothing to refute. Just wishful thinking on the part of people who want to believe something without knowing the entire story.

[passiveporcupine]

94. Oh this is good

[Nanjeanne]

6. BUT he used an unauthorized logo . . .

[Art_from_Ark]

105. Well, hey, that's a zillion times worse

than shilling for an election thief's war against a totally defenseless country

[Bread and Circus]

7. Clinton engaging in Republican tactics? Why am I not surprised?

[sadoldgirl]

10. I loved his anger about this, as well as

his attack on Brock!And I hope that it backfires.

[libdem4life]

13. Let us know when his staffers start pleading the 5th, wiping multiple servers of info

and creating work arounds. Then your hysteria may be more useful.

Oh, that's right. He fires them.

[libdem4life]

14. This is bull...notice the clever foil of the word "may"...

Clinton Campaign Saying Sanders May Bus In Young People - and Bernie is Fuming

Damn right he is. Another almost lie...not quite...just a clever insinuation.

[Gregorian]

15. It's offensive.

[jillan]

16. So in other words she knows she is going to lose and is making up excuses ahead of time.

Got it!

[frylock]

24. yep

[Warren DeMontague]

18. Maybe they should ask themselves why young people couldn't fucking care less about HRC's snoozefest

of a campaign.

[Autumn]

21. Oh wha wha whaa. Call whine 11

Too bad young people don't like Hillary

[frylock]

23. I expect Hillary's people will be distributing flyers saying you can't vote if you owe child support

Her internals must look like shite.

[Motown_Johnny]

25. Are they planning on disenfranchising young Iowan voters?

This looks like they are laying the groundwork to challenge young caucus goers in order to keep them from having their voices heard.


THIS is what Bernie' campaign needs to make known in the last few days before the caucus. Nothing like pissing people off to get them to turn out and vote against you.

[winter is coming]

36. Not sure how well that would work, especially in small towns.

The college kids who are going home to caucus will likely see their parents, friends, neighbors, former teachers, etc., who know those kids are locals.

[KittyWampus]

28. Sanders doesn't seem to even know what his staffers are doing.

[workinclasszero]

29. Considering the MANY ethical failings of the Bernie

Sanders campaign, I would be real suspicious too.
I hope these bussed in people are screened to make sure they are legit before the caucus starts.

[pangaia]

53. "Considering the... the the MANY ..what? ethical failings of the,, the Bernie

..Sanders campaign......"





I'm going back to Surrealistic Pillow

[workinclasszero]

90. I guess you haven't been following the news today

It's all good, the rest of the country is seeing just how the Sanders campaign is dealing from the bottom of the deck.

[immoderate]

87. Wouldn't arriving by bus be a sure tip-off?

I think nothing telegraphs 'I'm from somewhere else,' than coming in on a bus.

--imm

[Agnosticsherbet]

30. This is said about some candidate every primary.

Yawn.

[Truprogressive85]

31. So she dosent want young people to vote ?

Shame on her

[karynnj]

32. She made the same accusation against Obama

It is rather disgusting and it is essentially a Republican attack that their is VOTER FRAUD - which no one has ever found to be significant -- where election fraud likely lost the Democrats Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004.

[PatrickforO]

33. Yep. Busing in kids from out of state...

Eeew...what's that? I think I smell a...

[Truprogressive85]

34. This purely sad !

She gonna say that New Black Panthers were at the polling stations with billy clubs next lol

Omg she really has not learned from 08

[frylock]

65. hahaha!

[thereismore]

35. He mentioned Anita Hill. Brock AND Clinton should be fitted with Anita Hill

around their necks.

[Fawke Em]

37. Bernie is only planning to bus students WHO LIVE IN IOWA from their

college or universities to their hometowns so they can caucus there and help even out the delegate appropriations.

That's neither illegal or unethical. It's good campaign strategy.

[Le Taz Hot]

60. And they ANNOUNCED it!

Jaysus, it's not like they're trying to keep it a secret. I swear to goddess these people are vile!

[cherokeeprogressive]

62. Bus as many as it takes. If I were part of Hillary's "Middle Class" ($250,000/yr) I'd pay for a bus

Whatever it takes.

[Live and Learn]

104. I think people from other states may take busses in to help get people to the caucuses too.

But those people aren't planning to caucus themselves.

[AtomicKitten]

38. She accused Obama of doing the same & cheating in 2008.

[jfern]

49. She also sued to block the very Nevada union just in the news from voting

[AtomicKitten]

55. Yep. Just posted about that mess today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511083877

[bowens43]

40. hillary and her thugs represent the very worst that American politics has to offer

every day there are fewer and fewer reasons to to think hillary would be a better president than trump....

if hillary gets her hands on the power the power she so craves expect all hell to break loose.

enemies lists and revenge will rule the day

[SusanCalvin]

41. That's not what the article says.

It say he "rejects the suggestion," but doesn't say who, if anyone suggested it. Perhaps it's just poor writing....

[Nanjeanne]

43. It's easy to watch the video

[SusanCalvin]

45. Sigh...

Well, I didn't. I prefer to read. And the article still says what it says.

[Nanjeanne]

72. But the video is of the actual event

And you can actually judge who says what for yourself. But if you prefer not to do that, that's fine. I thought I was helping you answer your own question. Sorry.

[SusanCalvin]

75. If I took it as snark and it was not meant that way, apologies.

Yes, original source is best. It just tends to be more time-consuming, and I come from a time when we actually had journalism....

[questionseverything]

115. i have read the article 3 times and i can not find the phrase "rejects the suggestion"

are we still talking about the bloomberg guy telling bernie that hc's campaign says he is busing in supports to vote?

because that is what is on the video

[elias49]

42. The Clinton machine is just organized crime

in red, white and blue.

[pangaia]

50. That is my Bernie. You can just see and hear he is absolutely honest.

"Those are lies!"

"We win or lose, but we do it honestly."

[Jarqui]

56. She's like the GOP, notorious for accusing others of things she might do

I'll report this article as a reminder:

Hillary Clinton's Dirty Campaign Tactics
In Iowa, New Hampshire and now Nevada, the Clinton campaign has sought to suppress the vote of her rivals' supporters.
http://www.alternet.org/story/73782/hillary_clinton's_dirty_campaign_tactics

Dirty Clinton Campaign Tactics in NH
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/12/435829/-

The Clinton Smear Campaign Against Obama
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2008/04/30/clinton-smear-campaign-against-obama

Clinton aides claim Obama photo wasn't intended as a smear
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton


She doesn't just lie. She can be a hypocritical, dirty politician.

[Le Taz Hot]

58. Nooooo . . .

what the campaign is doing is offering to bus Iowa college students who live in-state to their hometown to caucus there. The idea is to not overwhelm the college town caucuses with too many participants in only a few caucus locations.

Cristalmighty! She is a piece of work!

[Mnpaul]

69. I see this one falling apart quickly with negative backlash

just sent Bernie some $$

[jwirr]

70. The event I attended had the entire parking lot full of cars

and not one bus in sight. Don't kid yourself Hillary these kids are attending because they want to.

[jwirr]

71. This is a totally ignorant statement. Both Ames and Iowa

City have large colleges and many students from other states.

Is she telling us that these student who live at these colleges should not be allowed to vote? Even in NE MN we talked about what to do with out state students. What kind of ID they need to participate? I would assume that most states still accept a college ID as they did when I was young.

Seems like Hillary is trying to restrict the vote of students just like the Rs.

[pnwmom]

88. Hillary is not saying this. Other people are claiming she is worried about this.

And they could have their own reasons for doing so.

[Orrex]

74. Even if this is 100% true as claimed...

Everyone had better buckle up for a bumpy ride. If he somehow wins the primary, then this "dishonest" "crap" will seem like a glowing pro-Sanders endorsement once the RW propaganda machine cranks up to full speed.

Is Sanders ready for that? Are his supporters?

[peacebird]

81. Yes. And at least we will have a candidate for the People instead of Wallstreet & coporations.

If Hillary gets the nomination she WILL lose the general. Period.

I do not want to see a repub in the WhiteHouse, that's why I am voting Sanders

[Orrex]

107. That's swell, if he makes it onto the ballot

And I don't share your faith that he or his supporters will be able to weather the storm that he'll face in the run-up to November.

[Live and Learn]

108. I think Bernie just proved himself quite capable. nt

[Orrex]

113. More's the pity. nt

[Nyan]

77. Or could it possibly be a projection?

that a number of out-of-state old people may try to show up to the caucus for someone, for some reason.
I'm just saying. Since we can just say anything. Right?

[Beartracks]

78. How very "some people say"-ish. Is Rove on her payroll?

That's a very FOX-y tactic.

"Oh, we didn't SAY he was doing that. We're just WORRIED it might happen. Yeeaah, that's the ticket."

===========

[peacebird]

82. ^^^this^^^

[morningfog]

101. Yes, but he spells his name Brock.

[madfloridian]

79. The party did the very same thing to Howard Dean.

Nothing surprises me now.

[blackspade]

84. Another hit piece?

The bullshit parade continues from the M$M.

[ecstatic]

92. "it's a shame it's not remembered by Obama supporters"

Is that code speak?

[Nanjeanne]

121. Code?

Not sure where your mind goes but mine goes to Obama supporters who now seem to forget the many Clinton attacks that are on instant replay here. But this time they trust her.

Words mean something. Code speak is not one of my tactics. You are trying too hard and it's a little offensive.

[ecstatic]

122. So are you saying that Bernie's supporters are not Obama supporters?

[Nanjeanne]

124. Sorry I am not clearer to you

Typing on a phone can be a pain.

I should have included the word "some" but I honestly thought it was easily understood that I wasn't talking about Sanders supporters but Clinton supporters. I mean why would Sanders supporters who supported Obama need to be reminded of Clinton's dirty tricks? Sorry it was so difficult for you to understand me.

[Nanjeanne]

93. The video is perfectly clear

The Bloomburg guy says "The Clinton people say"

It's sort of like those push polls . . .

Just a little hint - you know. Just subtle - . . . They aren't really saying it - they are just saying they are worried it might be happening. Only people (or most) aren't that stupid and they know when the faucet is drip drip dripping.

[Kalidurga]

98. Get em Bernie!!!!

[FlatBaroque]

109. This guy needs to be President

[EndElectoral]

111. Does the Clinton campaign really beleive Sanders would do that?Almost Rovian and a classless comment

[Live and Learn]

112. And I thought "voter fraud" was only a Republican hysteria.

Help, voter fraud. Voter fraud. Voter fraud.

[liberal N proud]

120. It's been done!

[reformist2]

123. Sounds like Hillary is drifting toward supporting Voter IDs....

This should come as no surprise, as she adopts more and more Republican attiutdes and positions.

[Bread and Circus]

128. Will yhe Clinton campaign throw said young voters under this bus?

[Larkspur]

129. This behavor from Clinton campaign is proof enough to me that

IA is too close to call and the Clinton camp is sh*tting in their drawers.

[oldandhappy]

133. I also am fuming

This is nuts. Come on Clinton camp. You are way ahead nationally, you have experience and all that other stuff. Stop with the games. Your lies last week and now this unnecessary fantasy have driven me away. You are overplaying. Go take a nap.

[madfloridian]

136. Just like she accused the Obama campaign in 2007.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511087567