Hillary goes negative...on the American People. Worst. Ad. Ever.

[magical thyme]

NO. WE. CAN'T.

[TDale313]

1. Wow.

[TheBlackAdder]

37. Defeatism, plain and simple.

[AgingAmerican]

88. Embracing defeatism as a form of progress is bizarre

She is running as the anti-progressive.

[TheBlackAdder]

89. I don't get it, but it makes for a great Poli-Sci study. nt

[daleanime]

101. This years election will keep students busy.....

for decades.

[WillyT]

2. Jesus...

[JimDandy]

31. Objectively, that ad had a very flat affect.

There was zero connection! I know what they were going for, but it doesn't work.

[senz]

138. Partly due to her voice.

Flat, forced, emotionless, words like bullets.

I give thanks for her voice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Sir or madame, that ad is freaking awesome. Thank you for bringing it my attention.

[Armstead]

7. I can wait for the TPP, $12 min wage in the distant future, having an enabler of MegaBanks

[John Poet]

16. HOW is Hillary going to get ANYTHING through a GOP congress

that hates her, to help all these people out?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Sir or madame, thank you for asking me that question.

The same way her husband created the greatest economy in the history of the republic despite Republican obstruction.



Respectfully,

DemocratSinceBirth

[John Poet]

21. Bill Clinton had a DEMOCRATIC Congress in 1993,

when most of his economic program was passed without a single Republican vote. I remember that quite well.

After that, he didn't get much done that a large number of Republicans didn't support.

So the question still stands.

[tularetom]

53. After that, he gave up and became a republican

While the we were all busy defending his intern related misadventures (and he was lying through his teeth about it), he was quietly giving away the farm to corporations and the 1%.

And the republicans were tearing him a new one while he was advancing their agenda.

[Live and Learn]

148. +10,000 nt

[hifiguy]

157. Al of this times a googolplex.

Best Repig president ever.

[bahrbearian]

22. So more deregulation's , the economy can crash after she leaves office. For Wall Street Profits.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Sir or madame

Sir or madame, if are to embrace your logic then George Walker Bush wasn't responsible for creating the greatest economic downturn in eighty years, am I right?


Respectfully,

DemocratSinceBirth

[bahrbearian]

36. Bills deregulation started it . Remember brothers from another mother.

[Health Wagon]

122. No. Part of it was Clinton's problem

Chimp accelerated it by crashing the economy.

[Bread and Circus]

50. If you think the bubble economy of the 1990's was the greatest economy in our history....then there

is no hope for you.

If that economy was so great it would have:

a.) lasted more than a handful of years

and

b.) had a lasting legacy of improved structural economic benefit for the majority of Americans.

It had neither.

End of story.

Please peddle your fantasies and falsehoods elsewhere.

P.S. This is not Pride and Prejudice nor 19th Century England. The "Sirs and Madames" seem particularly affected and disingenuous.

[roguevalley]

105. it was a bubble

[ypsfonos]

57. and threw all those poor people off of welfare

greatest economy srsly?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. Sir or madame

"...greatest economy srsly?..."

Sir or madame, I will point you to a graph that demonstates African American unemployment was at at its lowest level in a generation with Bill Clinton as the economic helmsman:





And, sir or madame, I will point you to another graph that demonstates Hispanic unemployment was at at its lowest level in a generation with Bill Clinton as the economic helmsman:





And sir or madame, I will point you to another graph that demonstrates the poverty level was at its lowest level in a generation with Bill Clinton as the economic helmsman:




Sir or madame, it has been a delight to educate you. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for that opportunity.


Respectfully,

DemocratSinceBirth

[ypsfonos]

73. Garden of Earthly Delights

The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA) is a United States federal law considered to be a major welfare reform. The bill was a cornerstone of the Republican Contract with America and was introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr. (R-FL-22). President Bill Clinton signed PRWORA into law on August 22, 1996, fulfilling his 1992 campaign promise to "end welfare as we have come to know it".

Clinton, Bill (October 23, 1991). "The New Covenant: Responsibility and Rebuilding the American Community. Remarks to Students at Georgetown University."

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=2783&kaid=128&subid=174

It's been my pleasure to educate you.

Have a nice day.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. Sir or madame, thank you for stipulating Bill Clinton created the greatest economy in the history...

Sir or madame, thank you for stipulating Bill Clinton created the greatest economy in the history of the republic.


Respectfully,
DemocratSinceBirth

[AgingAmerican]

106. The greatest economy in history was from the mid 1950s until the late 1970s

No bubbles. No bailouts. No recessions. Full employment.

[Health Wagon]

123. Admission confirmed.

You do not know what you are talking about.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

126. My esteemed interlocutor

My esteemed interlocutor, there is really no need to insult and disrespect me. That being said, I will take the high road, be the bigger person, and not respond in kind.


That being said, if you have evidence that contradicts my assertion I would request that you adduce it.


With all due respect,

DemocratSinceBirth

[Perogie]

129. unemployment rates don't equate...

to a good economy. I can pay everyone $1.00 and have 100% employment but the economy would suck.

Please make sure you use the correct statistics when trying to prove a point.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

131. No need to patronize me, sir or madame.

Please make sure you use the correct statistics when trying to prove a point.

No need to patronize me, sir or madame, but if you are really approaching our conversation from a position of authority you can share with me your resume or curriculum vitae, with identifying information redacted, of course , so I can then decide if I am in the company of greatness, and I need to feel small in your presence.

Then , depending on your answer, I can decide whether to continue our discussion.

Thank you in advance.


With all due respect,
DemocratSinceBirth

[Perogie]

144. The fact you can't read the charts you post is proof enough

Per your chart - Number of poor and poverty rate 1959 - 2001

Clinton took office with poverty rates at 15% and left office at 11.7 for a 22% drop in poverty rates.
LBJ took office with poverty rates at 19% and left office at 12.5% for a 33% drop in poverty rates.

In addition the number of people in poverty when Clinton left office was significantly higher than when LBJ left office, again according to the chart you posted.

https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/incpovhlth/2000/pov00cht.pdf

Statistics are fun if you know how to read them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

147. My response, sir or madame.

Statistics are fun if you know how to read them.

Patronizing people is fun if you really are in a position to patronize people but it is my experience that people in that position usually don't. Still waiting for that C V or resume, with the identifying information redacted, of course.

Arguing who created the greatest economy of all time is akin to arguing who is the greatest heavyweight of all time: Muhammad Ali or Joe Louis. We need to operationalize our terms before we can even begin to compare the two.

That being said, if you believe the poverty level and the unemployment level are the only criteria by which we can measure the health of an economy there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.


With all due respect,
DemocratSinceBirth

[Perogie]

161. Wrong analogy

who the greatest heavyweight is an opinion. Best economy can actually be proven with facts, so it's not an opinion.

No I don't think poverty level and the unemployment level are the only criteria. You're the one that tried to use it to prove your point.

Remember your post using that data? I even posted it again so you could see it was the data you chose to prove Clinton had the best economy. You just didn't realize that it actually showed LBJ had performed better.

Again, you can look at charts but you actually have to understand what they represent.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

163. If it can be proven with facts why does Forbes and U.S. News Come to different conclusions.

No I don't think poverty level and the unemployment level are the only criteria. You're the one that tried to use it to prove your point.

A poster suggested Bill Clinton was a poor economic steward. I chose the metrics that were on top of my head. A careful reading of what I wrote doesn't suggest it was meant to be inclusive. If I meant it to be inclusive I would have cited everything from the poverty rate to live births to property crimes to stock market growth which comes back to operationalizing our terms.

And even after all that there still wouldn't be a consensus of who is the best economic steward. There would be endless debates over what the baseline should be, what criteria is valid, and how much weight to assign to the respective criteria.

I assure you if you poll ten economists you are going to get more than one opinion.

Wrong analogy

who the greatest heavyweight is an opinion. Best economy can actually be proven with facts, so it's not an opinion.

If it can be proven with facts why does Forbes, the Economist and U.S. News Come to different conclusions and why has there been peer reviewed research that comes to different conclusions?

Sacramento is the capital of California. That is a fact. It can not be logically disputed. Lyndon Johnson is the greatest economic steward is subjective. I assure you if you polled economists there would be nothing approaching a consensus that is the case.

[Perogie]

168. The criteria chosen by Forbes included deficit reduction

That's what put Bill on the top of their list. Deficit reduction is a good thing but not when it creates more people in poverty which is what happened. The deficit reduction under Clinton came from reducing welfare and Medicaid etc. This increased the rate of people in poverty. I would say that's a negative not a positive.

Real disposable income is a better indicator of an economy. That means people have extra money to spend. Extra money to spend spurs the economy. Clinton ranked 5.

Thanks for the discussion. It's been fun. Good luck in your travels

[DemocratSinceBirth]

169. I enjoyed our discussion...I regret it got snarky.

My point is that these things are hard to quantify...I believe President Obama has been a damn good economic steward...There are others who would disagree. I would cite my stats and they would cite their stats and there would never be an agreement over whose stats matter more.

[Live and Learn]

149. Which did absolutely nothing for those still unemployed as you should know.

They threw people off of welfare and in to the streets. And that continues to this day.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

155. African American and Hispanic unemployment were at their lowest level in a generation

African American and Hispanic unemployment were at their lowest level in a generation while African American and Hispanic home ownership were at their highest level in a generation.


It was a great time to be alive.

[Live and Learn]

164. Not for those on welfare. And race has nothing to do with it. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

166. The Clinton presidency was a time of unprecedented peace and prosperity

The Clinton presidency was a time of unprecedented peace and prosperity, for everybody...


That is my opinion and I am sticking to it. I will not waver. I will not budge. And I certainly will not back down, ever...




Respectfully,

DemocratSinceBirth

[AgingAmerican]

90. By what mechanism?

??? Magic? Grand Bargains? Mushy half measures?

So she is Mrs Clinton now?

[Health Wagon]

121. And what Congress did former President Clinton

have?

Oh that's right, a DEMOCRATIC Congress.

Good luck with that one, candidate Clinton. Your plane without coattails are ready for your next fundraiser.

[Perogie]

128. see what happens

when you just repeat talking points but don't actually look things up for yourself.

Clinton's economy was #3, slightly ahead of Reagan's economy. A big 25% less than #2 LBJ

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/10/28/which-presidents-have-been-best-for-the-economy

[DemocratSinceBirth]

130. The facts as they say, are in dispute

Clinton’s two terms in office (1993-2001) were marked by strong numbers for gross domestic product (GDP) and employment growth and especially for deficit reduction. His overall ranking puts him first among the ten postwar presidents–ahead of Lyndon B. Johnson, Kennedy and Reagan, who were tightly grouped behind the 42nd president and recent autobiographer.

http://www.forbes.com/2004/07/20/cx_da_0720presidents.html

[Perogie]

145. Do you understand disposable income?

and how it affects people in poverty?

Clinton only ranks high on this chart because of the deficit reduction. Which was because they threw people off welfare, medicaid, WIC etc. Putting more people into poverty.

You have to understand the charts not just look at them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

159. There are myriad ways to measure an economy

-Disposable income
-GDP growth
-Productivity growth
-Stock market increase
-Home ownership
-Poverty rate
-Unemployment

...

[Perogie]

162. That's right I agree with you on that.

[daleanime]

42. Oh, there will be things she can get though congress....

just nothing we support.

[tularetom]

55. Yeah, like bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran

[treestar]

59. Maybe she won't

but she will be able to keep the government running and keep the laws we have rather than seeing them repealed.

You have to quit relying on the POTUS. Are the BS supporters ever going to mention which Congressional seats they will be helping with and campaigning for?

[frylock]

78. The fuck does that even mean?! Keep the govt running?

[treestar]

83. Duh with Republicans majorities

they are willing to shut down the government unless they get something they want. They won't sign off on the budget They cause this crisis every time and also with the debt limit.

[frylock]

98. This is PRECISELY why I don't want Hillary in the WH.

We don't need more capitualtion.. errrrrr compromise. I trust Sanders to take the strongest position possible going into any negotiations and to have the grapes to call their bluff.

[Nedsdag]

151. This is what I tell her supporters.

If Bernie can't get anything through a GOP/Tea Party congress, could Hillary?

Heck, some Tea Partiers would rather impeach her than work with her.

[Iggy Knorr]

45. And the Oscar goes to

On second thought maybe more like a Golden Globe...

[pandr32]

64. Agreed

Proud to stand with her

[MeNMyVolt]

4. Fantastic spot! Thanks for posting.

[magical thyme]

132. go ahead. make it viral.

[magical thyme]

133. go ahead. make it viral!

[Armstead]

5. She's right. America Can't Wait....That's why should she should not go near the White House

Her brand of governance has alkways been an obstruction to the kind of changes that her ad is citing.

I think we can wait for the TPP, defending the size of Megabanks, shooting doen real reform to the healthcare system....etc.

[NurseJackie]

6. Fantastic! Love this SO MUCH!! <3

Thanks for sharing!! You're awesome!

[magical thyme]

139. go ahead! make this viral!

[NurseJackie]

141. I'll see if I can find my magic wand.

[The Blue Flower]

8. "America can't..."

Repeated multiple times. How can we accomplish any of the things she mentions if we don't reach for it?

[NurseJackie]

39. The word you have omitted is "wait". (Why would you do that?)

People hear what they want to hear, I suppose. And "paraphrasing" (as you've done with strategically placed ellipsis) conveys a message that is completely opposite of reality. I can understand the underlying motivation for doing that, but it's not entirely clear what one expects to accomplish by doing so. The message in this video is very clear and plainly spoken. Selective quotes (misquotes?) and paraphrasing doesn't change what she actually said.

[daleanime]

46. I really don't get that, she says we can't wait.....

then wants us to wait? Nonsensical.

[treestar]

60. It's part of the made up theme they have going

They've made it up. It appears they have to campaign against Hillary more than for Bernie.

[NurseJackie]

63. The results of this tactic are not likely to be what they expect.

[The Blue Flower]

135. Because the reality and the message don't match up

Yes, we need to do all of those things, but how can they happen with someone who is telling us that they can't?

[NurseJackie]

136. Sorry, I can't help you. (I probably could, but it's not worth the effort. Your mind is made up.)

[PatrickforO]

9. Wow. The hypocrisy in this in just mind boggling.

Because Clinton won't do anything on any of those issues after her election. She'll be too busy fighting off massive Republican probes, a possible impeachment and a gridlocked Congress that hates her as much as they do Obama.

Oh, Sanders will have the gridlocked Congress - there's no doubt there. But he's activated us in a 'political revolution' which is nothing more, really, than us taking back the mantle of responsibility as citizens of a republic - keep abreast of issues, dig for the truth, and then hold those we elect accountable for their actions.

But he won't be too busy fighting off probes and impeachment. Obama hasn't been.

This is the difference between Clinton and Obama, and between Clinton and Sanders. Obama is basically a good, moral man and has not had any scandals. None. Sanders is a good, moral man and very likely won't have any scandals.

Clinton...not so much.

[demwing]

20. The entire first 4 years of a Clinton White House will be spent

trying to secure a second 4 years. There will be no time for the middle class, and no time for the poor.

America can't wait...

[NowSam]

10. I can't wait

for her to change her position on every single issue and change it again and again.

[Nanjeanne]

11. Who told her shouting the word CAN'T would be inspiring? nt

[Donkees]

51. Bernie

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511088946

[magical thyme]

134. you realize he 1st makes it clear this campaign is about the 99%, and his "You Cannot" is directed

to the 1%, right?

And that he doesn't open with "You CAN'T..." with the can't in a scolding, angry tone, and aimed at the 99%, telling us we can't have nice things?

RIght?



His ad is fine. It's very clear who can't have everything.

Her ad is a disaster from a PR perspective. Negative, negative, negative aimed at us. It's very clear she's telling us she'll negotiate the way Obama did. Take single payer/breaking up the TBTF/you-name-it off the table before entering the negotiating room.

[Donkees]

150. EXACTLY! My reply to "Who told her shouting the word 'can't' would be INSPIRING?" was "Bernie"

His ad is inspiring. I was making a JOKE comparing the two!

[magical thyme]

170. sorry wasn't sure whether or not your were joking

Within this context...note that there are people who think this is a great ad...can't be sure who understands the difference between the message trying to be conveyed and the failed execution that makes this an awful ad from a persuasion perspective.

I actually was thinking they got the angry shouting idea from Bernie. The pundits were all making him out to be "old man yelling at sky" when in fact he was shouting to be heard over 10,000 people, and he was angry at wall street *for* the people, not angry at them for wanting more than crumbs. So they got the message that "angry shouting" conveys passion and seems to work this election cycle. Totally missed the rest...

[restorefreedom]

12. why try and win when you can get scraps?

i am tired of seeing people,living on scraps

#eatyourdamncakeandlikeit
#nowecantandidontcare

[Myrina]

28. ^ this ^

Thank you.

[restorefreedom]

119. :) nt

[grasswire]

112. yes

I see people every day on public transportation who are barely even getting scraps.

[restorefreedom]

118. we are better than this. bernie knows it. and its why he will win. nt

[Motown_Johnny]

13. There seems to be a clear divide between the two camps here.

The pessimistic and the optimistic.

[winter is coming]

14. Seriously?

Tell us we can't wait for ideas that sound good on paper but will never work in the real world while showing someone on a gurney? Does HRC think that the countries which already have single payer are imaginary??

[daleanime]

47. +1

[hrmjustin]

15. Great ad!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

103. are you serious?

Oh, that was snark, was it?

[arcane1]

107. It's a required response n/t

[magical thyme]

140. go ahead! make it viral!

[99Forever]

18. Wow.

NO WE CAN'T NO WE CAN'T NO WE CAN'T NO WE CAN'T NO WE CAN'T NO WE CAN'T NO WE CAN'T NO WE CAN'T NO WE CAN'T.

How very uplifting.

[DanTex]

19. Does anyone outside the Bernie bubble not like this ad? Looks like a strong ad to me.

[Lucinda]

52. It is. Should ring true for a lot of people. n/t

[treestar]

62. They are deliberately spinning it in a very transparent way.

Making it all about being positive, as if that's going to elect a progressive Congress on Bernie's coattails. Just reaffirm it by saying it daily and it will become true. Like an 80s type self help how to be a success book.

[m-lekktor]

23. Her vocal tone sounds so nasty like a "fuck you" type of attitude.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

38. I dislike her voice and that cackle laugh. I can't imagine having to listen to that for 4 yrs until

...Liz runs against her for 2020.

[treestar]

68. I've felt that way about Republicans

But wow, to feel that way about a Democrat?

That much hatred for any of our candidates is weird.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

71. I don't hate her. I just don't like her cackle. Perhaps you should be schooled as to whether...

...I hate Hillary:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511067386

So, there you go. You don't know everything.

I just dont like her cackle.

[treestar]

74. exactly. That is the kind of thing we do judging people we hate.

I don't mind her laugh. But I'm not going out of my way to find bad personal things about her due to hating her so much.

I hate to hear Reagan's voice, for example. Even if he is saying something bland. I was watching a video about the Challenger yesterday and they included a clip of him (he was POTUS then) and I could barely stand to watch it through though it was only a few seconds. It's probably not that it's so bad, but that I dislike what he stood for that much.

But I'd never feel that way about any Democrat.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

76. That she is a Democrat changes NOTHING about her irritating cackle. I will...

...vote for her if she is the nominee.

That cackle though, yeesh! Nails on a chalk board.

And that's mild.

[treestar]

84. I can't imagine being irritated by someone laughing

By what they are saying and their tone, maybe.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

91. Of course you can't imagine that...

[tk2kewl]

24. CAN'T CAN'T CAN'T

[snagglepuss]

94. On the surface it's can't can't can't but let's face it,

it's really won't won't won't.

[kenfrequed]

26. None of her stated polices actually correct anything

And we do not get to real solutions by starting negotiations at half hearted measures and nibbling around the edges of the problem with minor tweaks and nudges to a broken down system.

Personally I can't wait election after election for a candidate that is really going to stand up to the wealthy than someone who takes absurd amounts of money from them to stand up for the wealthy.

[kennetha]

27. Great Ad

a pragmatic progressive who gets things done is much to be preferred to half-baked, ill thought-out fantasies that will never happen and will just lead us to a blistering defeat.

[arcane1]

108. What PROGRESSIVE things will Hillary get through congress, that Bernie can't. Show us.

I'll be waiting...

[nc4bo]

29. Jeezus pass me a razor.

NEGATIVE. Way too many CAN'Ts.

My take away. ........the word CAN'T.

I want to hear YES, WE CAN!

[thereismore]

30. This is a positive ad wrapped in negative terms. Did she even screen this with focus groups?

Doubtful.

[JimDandy]

32. Truly it falls flat, Bernie supporter or not! n/t

[closeupready]

33. Not good. Even the caucusers at the end have that, "I'm embarrassed to be doing this"

look.

[Kentonio]

34. Hillary's new 'I do not have a dream' ad..

[Kalidurga]

40. and neither should you!!!!

Pft dreams of affordable housing, being able to pay for prescriptions, and not have to decide between food and heat, those are just pie in the sky dreams. Meanwhile people just can't wait for real solutions, we need to rush through with some half assed solutions that aren't going to keep people from having to juggle paying for medicine and paying for inadequate housing at premium prices.

[winter is coming]

114. There's a Twitter hashtag waiting to go viral.

#Idonothaveadream

[OrwellwasRight]

143. Dreams are for losers!

[NCTraveler]

35. Great ad. Thanks for sharing. Nt

[INdemo]

41. Yes Hillary but what are your plan's details?

And Hillary is right we can't wait we need Bernie Sanders as our leader now !!

So Did Hillary just run an ad on Bernie's behalf?

[closeupready]

43. It's like, she's running to be National Triage Nurse, rather than

a leader, or Dr. Let's Get This Done.

[pinebox]

44. Why does anybody support her?>

Seriously. She's so far to the right it's disgusting. You may as well pencil in Bob Dole.
Watch this.

[Autumn]

48. Must be a throw away ad for her, since she actually admits she won't do

anything to help any of them. Medicine or rent? Nope, no help there. Single Mom needs a raise? Nope, 15 bucks is too much, no help there. Bernie"s plans would help them all.

[earthside]

49. Yes, we can!

From Hope to Nope.

Surely the Democratic Party can nominate for its presidential candidate a person of vision, hope, and great plans of a bold future.

"We can't ..." is not our tradition.

[Autumn]

54. The politics of "Meh, we can't do that". I'm amazed that she would okay this.

Bad judgment.

[winter is coming]

115. People who are already in the Hillary camp probably love it.

But if you're sitting the fence? Hillary's essentially implying she can (in time) give us all the things Bernie's promising, but "realistically". Why should we assume she could somehow accomplish what Bernie can't? Have we seen any hint that if he can't get everything he wants on the first go, he won't accept an incremental solution and then keep working on improving it?

[treestar]

56. She is saying they can't wait!

And the people who are described are always being considered The People here. Are you saying it is negative to discuss that there are people who have to pay the bills and struggle to do it?

[Andy823]

86. You are right of course

Sadly for some here they just don't listen, instead they spin things to make them into something that is not really being said. Same thing happened a few days back when someone "tried" to say O'Malley told his followers to support Bernie. He never said that, but the op tried to spin it that way, along with numerous other posters.

These tactics are what makes people upset with some Bernie supporters, and it also shines a bad light on Bernie. He has a lot of problems with staff screwing things up, and with radical supporters trying to cover up the mistakes, make excuses, and spin things like this to make the "other" candidate look bad. It's getting really old.

[NurseJackie]

92. Yeah, I saw that too. It was a lame attempt ... and it's unclear what they hoped to accomplish.

Generally speaking, when things like that become the "go-to" tactic, or when they become more frequent, then it's a sure sign that a campaign is in trouble, AND that the supporters realize the candidate is in trouble. In one regard, I can sympathize with the feelings of despair and frustration that drive some people to behave like that, but my sympathy is only for their feelings, and not for how they express them. Such things are really not a good excuse for what can be observed here, or out in the real world.


Note to Jury: These are my opinions and analysis of how some people respond when a candidate's campaign isn't doing as well as hoped. These observations are, as I noted, "generally speaking" and can apply to any supporter of any candidate for any elected office who happens to be feeling frustrated and angry. No specific candidate or candidate's supporters were targeted or smeared in expressing my opinions and observations about human nature.

[historylovr]

58. Saw that one last night.

Depressing. Condescending. Sets up a nice self-fulfilling prophecy. Even Carson's ads here were more uplifting. And it's especially bad when contrasted with this one:

No we can't vs. Let's do this. I'll take the latter, thank you.

[treestar]

61. That's everybody's goal and dreams

though people have different thoughts on how to get there.

So where's the plan to campaign for a Congress that will get there?

Where's the plan to lower the number of right wingers in our midst?

That ad is so vague right wingers could agree with it. Though they'd say we get there by less regulation and lowering taxes. But they'd have nothing to argue with the content in the ad.

[arcane1]

109. Where are Hillary's plans to "lower the number of right wingers in our midst"?

Where is her plan "to campaign for a Congress that will get there"?

Funny how this suddenly created new standard only applies to one of the three candidates.

[redwitch]

65. It's better than the Huckabee ad.

I try to look on the bright side.

[historylovr]

72. That's for sure.

Not to mention the Cruz ones.

[Kip Humphrey]

66. She's right! I can't wait for the revolution! It can't get here soon enough! WIN, Bernie, WIN!

[jillan]

67. No way. There was really no one in her campaign to tell them they CAN'T run this ad?

[Oilwellian]

104. Perhaps they should learn the word "shouldn't" n/t

[Renew Deal]

69. That's a good ad

[ChisolmTrailDem]

79. Break it down... How is it "good"? nt

[Renew Deal]

80. For the first time, she has a message

"We can't wait". There has been no real message prior to this.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

81. We can't wait for what? And how is she going to make it happen now with a Congress that...

...hates her?

[Renew Deal]

82. Can't wait for social security benefits to be increased, a raise (strong economy), debt relief, etc.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

93. So, we can't wait for Hillary to enact Bernie's agenda. Got it. But you didn't answer...

...how you expect Hillary to get that done NOW with a Congress that wants to bury her under a jail somewhere?

[Renew Deal]

95. Political revolution

[ChisolmTrailDem]

96. With Hillary? ROFLMAO! nt

[Renew Deal]

97. It's just as meaningful.

[arcane1]

110. How will she get these dreams through a republican congress that hates her?

Nobody wants to answer that.

[OrwellwasRight]

154. But she never says what it is we "can't wait" for

I really don't get the point of the ad. What does she stand for? What is it that she is going to do for the poor grandma and student and single mom? The ad tells us nothing except that she is making a not so veiled insult on Bernie. It says nothing positive on about her. I don't see how it is a convincing or effective ad.

[valerief]

77. NO WE CAN'T! NO WE CAN'T! STOP ASKING BECAUSE WE CAN'T AND WON'T!

NOW SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN!

[Mike__M]

111. Hey, c'mon

Cut it out.

[Mother Of Four]

127. I see what you did there n/t

[Depaysement]

85. Ah . . .

. . . such are the days that shall be!
But what are the deeds of to-day,
In the days of the years we dwell in
that wear our lives away?
Why, then, and for what are we waiting?
There are three words to speak:

WE WILL IT

[AgingAmerican]

87. Wow,she is embracing "No We Can't"

SHe is the pied piper for defeatism. She is in full collapse.

[closeupready]

100. She's a coward and bully.

Tough-talk from Goliath, how bold.

[truedelphi]

153. You gotta admit it though - sometimes SHE CAN!

If the matter is about helping Big Pharma, Big Insurers, Big Banking, she is totally able to get it done!

[pa28]

99. That's about the most malaise filled de-motivation political ad I've ever seen.

I can't help wondering if the real purpose of this ad is to lower turnout rather than sell her own message.

[azmom]

102. She really emphasized the word Can't

At the very start.

I get the message they are trying to convey, but I don't think this was the best way to go about it.

it's a horrible ad.

[mhatrw]

113. Hillary's first four words = "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN'T!"

Should have quit while she was behind.

[Betty Karlson]

125. At least she's honest about her intentions. "No we can't."

So much for following in Obama's footsteps. She won't even pretend anymore.

[coyote]

117. Bankers and corporations can't wait till she is in office

Let the boondoggle begin!!!

[Romulox]

120. That is one of the worst ads I've ever seen. "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN'T!!!!!" nt

[winter is coming]

146. I know. I hope it runs a lot in Iowa this weekend.

[riversedge]

124. Another deceptive OP. No where does she say these words No We Can't

[cannabis_flower]

137. Can't..

Is a really negative word to put in a campaign ad.

[OrwellwasRight]

142. I'm not even sure what that ad means.

Who is advocating for waiting?

[Paper Roses]

152. In her last ads, she comes across as an angry woman.

Not attractive, abrasive. The one I saw today(she in long pink jacket), her yelling caught me attention. Not the words, the tone. Not pleasant, not hopeful. Just plain annoying.

[riversedge]

156. Your OP is very dishonest. Parsing words and inserting words that are not in the ad. Shameful.

[NurseJackie]

165. You're correct. Based on the "recs" and cheers, it appears that this is what people like.

[hifiguy]

158. Jebus Haploid Christ riding a unicycle and juggling fish.

That is HORRIBLE.

NO! WE! CAN'T!

[Boomer]

160. Sheesh, who thought this was a good idea?

I get what the concept is supposed to be, but the execution is horrible.

The strong inflection on "can't" distorts the intent. The focus is shifted away from "wait", not towards it. This ends up sounding pessimistic, even though the textual message is supposed to be positive and uplifting. Also, Clinton really just doesn't convey an upbeat vocal tone. It's flat.

My own political inclinations aside, I enjoy well done political ads. They're fascinating little nuggets of persuasion and I can admire good ads from opponents I don't support, just as I can wince at bad ads by candidates I support.

This ad fails.

[thesquanderer]

167. Agreed. And the opening really kills it.

The underlying idea--we can't wait for pie-in-the-sky solutions, we need more practical approaches that can actually be implemented near-term--is a reasonable enough argument, but that declarative stop and pause after the first 4 words--The American people Can't--is just a terrible lead-off.

I can understand a politician trying to recast a negative message as somehow positive, but I am amazed at this approach of casting what may be their best positive message so negatively.