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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:01 AM Jan 2016

Hillary Clinton is running a poor primary campaign

She's vacillating between playing the role of bullied victim. (Bernie is running the most negative campaign evah!) and tough champion. There's something formulaic and tired and so late nineties about her campaign. And arrogant. This does not bode well for the general.

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Hillary Clinton is running a poor primary campaign (Original Post) cali Jan 2016 OP
And Bernie is better? Old, tired 60's revolution revisited? livetohike Jan 2016 #1
If Bernie's ideas aren't new, then Hillary's are positively Republican. reformist2 Jan 2016 #3
Not seeing what's wrong with any of that. Fearless Jan 2016 #14
And Bernie is better? SheenaR Jan 2016 #16
Yes, and there's the fear factor too. farleftlib Jan 2016 #2
I think she has been running a very solid campaign. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #4
It seems like deja vu all over again. Vinca Jan 2016 #6
Blinders SheenaR Jan 2016 #17
No one I know felt she was going to hold a sixty point lead. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #19
This is basically indisputable, IMO (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #5
Hillary's "listening campaign" has improved her image with the public. oasis Jan 2016 #7
What else is new? InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #8
Hillary would be an extremely vulnerable general election candidate. Broward Jan 2016 #9
I agree. I think she'd lose. cali Jan 2016 #10
And the Emails, And... SDJay Jan 2016 #11
...and the Foundation. There is a lot lurking there, just like the emails. The Republicans know it libdem4life Jan 2016 #22
IMO she sometimes struggles to find balance for her views. HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #12
No worries. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #13
From your mouth to Iowans ears. jillan Jan 2016 #18
After observing 2008 and the current campaign, I don't think she's a good campaigner...... marmar Jan 2016 #15
She's ahead in the polls treestar Jan 2016 #20
She's the ulitimate politics-as-usual candidate relying on money, commercials, and platitudes. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #21

livetohike

(22,142 posts)
1. And Bernie is better? Old, tired 60's revolution revisited?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:32 AM
Jan 2016

He's consistent, I'll give him that , but to think he is something new is a joke.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
16. And Bernie is better?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jan 2016

They have run one of the most effective campaigns in modern history. Not even Obama trailed by 60 points. 60 freaking points and have made this a race and have never gone off of the issues they champion. This is something new. Because nobody has blown a lead of this proportion when all they had to do was show up and not screw up.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
2. Yes, and there's the fear factor too.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:34 AM
Jan 2016

Oh noes. He'll take away your health insurance!!1!

It is formulaic, hopefully it'll be a losing formula like it was in 2008.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
4. I think she has been running a very solid campaign.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:50 AM
Jan 2016

To be where she is at after decades of conservative lies, opposition from the right wing media, and an opponent who up until two weeks ago hadn't been vetted at all; I would say she has been running a great campaign. I'm very optimistic going into Iowa. We will keep fighting to beat back conservatives.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
17. Blinders
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jan 2016

I don't think internally even Clinton people would say they have run a "great" campaign (My opinion). You don't blow a 60 point lead if you are doing that great. You aren't running against the conservatives right now. So perhaps the lack of focus on the actual opponent by you and her campaign has allowed the weekend to even have meaning.

(Cue one like retort with "n/t" at the end per the NCTraveler handbook of responses)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. No one I know felt she was going to hold a sixty point lead.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jan 2016

I'm not sure how that is relevant in any way. Anyone paying even the slightest bit of attention to politics understand what that metric means. If you want to use that metric, I don't see how you seen going in up by fifteen is bad for her.

Out of my last eighteen replies, two stopped at the end of the subject line with nt. Why even try to make it personal? Why would such a ratio concern you to the point of comment?

oasis

(49,383 posts)
7. Hillary's "listening campaign" has improved her image with the public.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jan 2016

Her exchanges with everyday working class citizens in modest surroundings seems to be the strategy that's working.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
9. Hillary would be an extremely vulnerable general election candidate.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jan 2016

Among other things, she would depress turnout on the Left. Also, if she's up against Trump, he would pound her mercilessly on her TPP support and her vote for the Iraq War.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
11. And the Emails, And...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:18 AM
Jan 2016

Benghazi!!! and all of the crappola from Bill Clinton's administration no matter how utterly untrue any of it was/is. It would be absolutely relentless. It would depress not only the vote on the left but also the middle and simultaneously motivate the hell out of the right to come out and "take down the Clinton machine" before it' TOO LATE and MURICA!

And that's just Trump. Wait until the Super PACs get involved.

It would not be good at all. She'd be playing defense - and likely doing so clumsily - from start to finish.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
22. ...and the Foundation. There is a lot lurking there, just like the emails. The Republicans know it
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jan 2016

The Democrats won't touch it.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
12. IMO she sometimes struggles to find balance for her views.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:18 AM
Jan 2016

She's certainly had some slip ups in projecting roles.

I recognize that the following is a rationale which is to say my opinion/perception...an attempt to make sense of the bits and pieces I know of her life and my ability/desire to make those sensible within my understanding of human behavior.

With that caveat, I'm of the opinion that she moves between channeling a handful of public personas/schema that are worn somewhat like clothing/uniforms and which keep the 'real Hillary' from public view and are associated with the 'task' she's working on.

One is a Gloria Steinem-like personality pushing to liberate women from second class roles, and the other is Maggie Thatcher-like pushing for individual and national gravitas and toughness. She tends to overplay both. In between, when she's attempting to connect as a 'real person' and bond with the people. This is often characterized by a 'me, too' type commentary on the most obvious public sentiments around the news stream as seen by personalities on 'The View'.

Am I getting this correctly? Maybe not. But we are told by various sources that the public HRC and the private HRC are different. And, many people do these things, which gives it a place on the table for consideration.

I don't mean to say HRC is flawed or unusual because she approaches life this way. We all know people who do this, we could be some of that 'many' who also do this.

marmar

(77,080 posts)
15. After observing 2008 and the current campaign, I don't think she's a good campaigner......
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jan 2016

....... the sense of entitlement coming out of Camp Clinton is mind-boggling. They've learned very little from 2008 apparently.


 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
21. She's the ulitimate politics-as-usual candidate relying on money, commercials, and platitudes.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jan 2016

Not to mention a mastery of CYA when confronted with her baggage.

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