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Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:01 AM

 

Hillary Clinton is running a poor primary campaign

She's vacillating between playing the role of bullied victim. (Bernie is running the most negative campaign evah!) and tough champion. There's something formulaic and tired and so late nineties about her campaign. And arrogant. This does not bode well for the general.

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Reply Hillary Clinton is running a poor primary campaign (Original post)
cali Jan 2016 OP
livetohike Jan 2016 #1
reformist2 Jan 2016 #3
Fearless Jan 2016 #14
SheenaR Jan 2016 #16
farleftlib Jan 2016 #2
NCTraveler Jan 2016 #4
Vinca Jan 2016 #6
SheenaR Jan 2016 #17
NCTraveler Jan 2016 #19
Recursion Jan 2016 #5
oasis Jan 2016 #7
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #8
Broward Jan 2016 #9
cali Jan 2016 #10
SDJay Jan 2016 #11
libdem4life Jan 2016 #22
HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #12
Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #13
jillan Jan 2016 #18
marmar Jan 2016 #15
treestar Jan 2016 #20
Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #21

Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:32 AM

1. And Bernie is better? Old, tired 60's revolution revisited?

He's consistent, I'll give him that , but to think he is something new is a joke.

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Response to livetohike (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:35 AM

3. If Bernie's ideas aren't new, then Hillary's are positively Republican.

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Response to livetohike (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:48 AM

14. Not seeing what's wrong with any of that.

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Response to livetohike (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:09 AM

16. And Bernie is better?

They have run one of the most effective campaigns in modern history. Not even Obama trailed by 60 points. 60 freaking points and have made this a race and have never gone off of the issues they champion. This is something new. Because nobody has blown a lead of this proportion when all they had to do was show up and not screw up.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:34 AM

2. Yes, and there's the fear factor too.

 

Oh noes. He'll take away your health insurance!!1!

It is formulaic, hopefully it'll be a losing formula like it was in 2008.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:50 AM

4. I think she has been running a very solid campaign.

 

To be where she is at after decades of conservative lies, opposition from the right wing media, and an opponent who up until two weeks ago hadn't been vetted at all; I would say she has been running a great campaign. I'm very optimistic going into Iowa. We will keep fighting to beat back conservatives.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 09:25 AM

6. It seems like deja vu all over again.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:12 AM

17. Blinders

I don't think internally even Clinton people would say they have run a "great" campaign (My opinion). You don't blow a 60 point lead if you are doing that great. You aren't running against the conservatives right now. So perhaps the lack of focus on the actual opponent by you and her campaign has allowed the weekend to even have meaning.

(Cue one like retort with "n/t" at the end per the NCTraveler handbook of responses)

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Response to SheenaR (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:08 PM

19. No one I know felt she was going to hold a sixty point lead.

 

I'm not sure how that is relevant in any way. Anyone paying even the slightest bit of attention to politics understand what that metric means. If you want to use that metric, I don't see how you seen going in up by fifteen is bad for her.

Out of my last eighteen replies, two stopped at the end of the subject line with nt. Why even try to make it personal? Why would such a ratio concern you to the point of comment?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 09:04 AM

5. This is basically indisputable, IMO (nt)

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 09:25 AM

7. Hillary's "listening campaign" has improved her image with the public.

Her exchanges with everyday working class citizens in modest surroundings seems to be the strategy that's working.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 09:26 AM

8. What else is new?

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:06 AM

9. Hillary would be an extremely vulnerable general election candidate.

Among other things, she would depress turnout on the Left. Also, if she's up against Trump, he would pound her mercilessly on her TPP support and her vote for the Iraq War.

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Response to Broward (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:07 AM

10. I agree. I think she'd lose.

 

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Response to Broward (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:18 AM

11. And the Emails, And...

Benghazi!!! and all of the crappola from Bill Clinton's administration no matter how utterly untrue any of it was/is. It would be absolutely relentless. It would depress not only the vote on the left but also the middle and simultaneously motivate the hell out of the right to come out and "take down the Clinton machine" before it' TOO LATE and MURICA!

And that's just Trump. Wait until the Super PACs get involved.

It would not be good at all. She'd be playing defense - and likely doing so clumsily - from start to finish.

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Response to SDJay (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:20 PM

22. ...and the Foundation. There is a lot lurking there, just like the emails. The Republicans know it

 

The Democrats won't touch it.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:18 AM

12. IMO she sometimes struggles to find balance for her views.

She's certainly had some slip ups in projecting roles.

I recognize that the following is a rationale which is to say my opinion/perception...an attempt to make sense of the bits and pieces I know of her life and my ability/desire to make those sensible within my understanding of human behavior.

With that caveat, I'm of the opinion that she moves between channeling a handful of public personas/schema that are worn somewhat like clothing/uniforms and which keep the 'real Hillary' from public view and are associated with the 'task' she's working on.

One is a Gloria Steinem-like personality pushing to liberate women from second class roles, and the other is Maggie Thatcher-like pushing for individual and national gravitas and toughness. She tends to overplay both. In between, when she's attempting to connect as a 'real person' and bond with the people. This is often characterized by a 'me, too' type commentary on the most obvious public sentiments around the news stream as seen by personalities on 'The View'.

Am I getting this correctly? Maybe not. But we are told by various sources that the public HRC and the private HRC are different. And, many people do these things, which gives it a place on the table for consideration.

I don't mean to say HRC is flawed or unusual because she approaches life this way. We all know people who do this, we could be some of that 'many' who also do this.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:24 AM

13. No worries.

She's not going to make it to the General.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:14 AM

18. From your mouth to Iowans ears.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:06 AM

15. After observing 2008 and the current campaign, I don't think she's a good campaigner......


....... the sense of entitlement coming out of Camp Clinton is mind-boggling. They've learned very little from 2008 apparently.


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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:09 PM

20. She's ahead in the polls

so if you think it is poor, that is not affecting most Democrats.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:14 PM

21. She's the ulitimate politics-as-usual candidate relying on money, commercials, and platitudes.

 

Not to mention a mastery of CYA when confronted with her baggage.

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